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Realism and The Writing On The Wall
- Thoughts On What Is To Come



I'm reading the writing on the wall because it is screaming at me loudly. I write this post as a fellow Dolphins fan who wishes yearly for the best, but is routinely met with something far worse. I once said to a friend that a Dolphins loss is painful because is it analagous to something like this - The goal is you're trying to get into a room. The problem is that there is someone in the doorway in your way. You fight and you wrestle and you do everything you can to get in that door. You don't do enough though, you can't get through. Then the person says, ok, you tried pretty darn hard, and slowly creeps it open a bit as you sprint for the light. Just as you get to it the person slams the door in your face and you realize it's over, you've failed. The problem is this, the person trying to get in the room is you and your hopes for the Dolphins success. The person blocking your way, it isn't other teams, it's the Dolphins themselves. And there's the catch-22, you're routing and hoping for someone that continuously lets you down. Now, with that sort of bitter preface out of the way, let me tell you what I'm seeing on the wall.

One, this team is severely broken and it's a long time and a long way off from being fixed. Our holes are numerous. We're banking on a QB who came back and looked astoundingly atrocious. Our offensive line is average at best. Our WR's feature a player who has consistently underachieved and it's probably time to get some value out of him before the rest of the world catches on that talent only matters when it's combined with guts and heart, and I say this as someone who has worn a Chris Chambers jersey often, so please realize that it hurts for me too. I'm just through being an idealist. Realists are more pessimistic but it hurts them many times less when they're met with what actually happens. Our DB's are a hodge-podge of 2nd rate players. None of them are embarassingly bad, but none of them can be seen in any light as game-changers. Yeah we have some potential at safety with Bell and Allen was a first round draft pick, but to think that we can already count on these guys to make the big play, that's idealism at its best. What's sad is that these weaknesses are compromising and will ultimately ruin the chances for our strengths to be successful. Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas are hall of famers. They're also starting to creep up on age. I'm not one to argue that these guys probably have at least 2-3 good years left in them, but the problems we have as outlined already above will take much longer than that to fix. Ronnie Brown has shown flashes of brilliance, but he hasn't done it consistently and the thought that he could be a pro-bowler behind our budget O-line is laughable.

The second line of writing on this wall of the inevitable says this: Saban is leaving. I hate to say this. I am as big a fan of Saban as anyone. Most people who know me actually make fun of me for the amount of credit and belief I give to Nick Saban. However, the guy is leaving us. I hope that I am wrong, but I sincerely doubt it. Alabama would have signed a coach by this point if they weren't waiting for Saban to sign as soon as the game is over on Sunday. They have more than enough money and candidates to have hired someone by this point. They also make no qualms about saying that Saban is their man. Combined with the fact that Saban is an intelligent man with the astute ability to recognize the obvious, he knows his team is a long way off from being a winner and contendor, and Saban's pseudo-denials, and it's only the painful truth. Saban rolled the dice. He signed Culpepper, trusted the player's judgement and ultimately sacrificed the chance for a winning season. Who's to say if Culpepper may come back and be everything Nick and all of us hoped he'd be other than time. We'll just have to see, but I'd be shocked if it happens under Coach Nick Saban. My guess, we promote Capers to head coach on a trial one year period and take it from there. It's a shame, but in some ways leads to an answer to the first paragraph's points detailed above - it's time to rebuild.

When was the last time you saw a QB go from one team and be a champion, or contendor at least, on another? Don't say Brees because the Saints haven't even played a playoff game. Look at the stellar teams and their QB's. Manning, Brady, Palmer, Rivers - all drafted and built around. Even historically the same could be said - Marino, Montana, Elway - all drafted. Sure you could suggest some exceptions, the point is that the standard is to draft and build; not to gamble on a pick up and pray. Even if the Dolphins drafted a stellar QB this year with the potential for greatness, which would require a trade up in the draft - Chambers? and our first rounder? - it takes at least a few years to allow them to learn the NFL ropes and offense. By that point we'll be talking about how we have picked up a decent DB and our O line is passable but the fact the we have no pass rush and that our LB corps are thin.

Now, I'm not trying to paint an apocalyptic picture with no hope in sight, I'm just trying to be honest to myself so that I know what to expect from the future. I see this team as one who will give Daunte Culpepper one more season to prove that he can be the elite QB that a team needs to become a champion. I see some pick ups on O-line and DB in the offseason through the draft and free agency. I see a new coach in Miami with most of us left wondering what could have been under Saban. Most of all, I see myself hoping for the best and expecting something far less because I'm tired of being disappointed.

Comments are welcome.

- rdoser
 
Read this in light of my posting on July 25th of this year:

Get Ready For The Onslaught

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The signs are subtle yet everywhere, word is getting out. You go to your sports website of choice and there's a new article - watch out for Ronnie, Daunte to Chambers, Saban is in charge, look at the HD boards in the stadium - all saying one thing - the Dolphins are coming. Life as you know it as a Dolphins fan may change forever in just a few short days. Suddenly you'll have old friends or co-workers wearing their brand new jerseys which they swear they've had for several years. Games will be packed, fans roaring like thunder. Household names like Daunte and Chambers and Ronnie and maybe even McMicheal giving interviews while being plastered on magazine after magazine cover. Games at a level we've never seen before, or at least not in a long time, the likes of which a glimpse has been shown in the home stretch of last season. All the while, with a grin, and your Zach Thomas jersey you bought way back when, you will soak it in and say I always knew it would happen and you'll look back on today and say, I knew it, he knew it, the Dolphins were coming. It's a brand new day and it's ours for the taking. Lets go Fins.

rdoser
 
good post,i firmly disagree about saban he's not going anywhere,anyways ok let me try to cheer you up,,

1] CLEO LEMON LIGHTS IT UP AGAINST THE COLTS,THROWING, RUNNING,RUNNING AND THROWING ON THE RUN.

2}FREDERICK EVANS SHOWS THE EXPLOSIVENESS HE SHOWED IN THE PRESEASON AND DOMINATES THE MIDDLE,SHOOTING GAPS LIKE A YOUNG TIM BOWENS.

3}JASON ALLEN PLAYS A WELL ROUNDED GAME AGAINST THE BEST QB IN THE LEAGUE

4}JOE TOLEDO AND ANTHONY ALIBI ARE STARTING ON THE LINE NEXT YEAR

5}RODERICK WRIGHT AND VICKERSON SURE UP A YOUNG DLINE WITH JASON AND ROTH STARTING ON THE ENDS.

6}DAUNTE COMES BACK 100 PERCENT WITH RONNIE BROWN AND RICKY WILLIAMS AS A THIRD DOWN BACK

7}WE PICK UP TWO STUDS IN FREE AGENCY AND WE HAVE A FULL DRAFT OF YOUNG FAST ROOKIES.

all these things are very possible and for some reason i think will happen,have a good one.
 
Bro, i had to stop reading because you ceased becoming rational on the "Saban Leaveing" issue.


He's not leaving.
 
good post,i firmly disagree about saban he's not going anywhere,anyways ok let me try to cheer you up,,

1] CLEO LEMON LIGHTS IT UP AGAINST THE COLTS,THROWING, RUNNING,RUNNING AND THROWING ON THE RUN.

2}FREDERICK EVANS SHOWS THE EXPLOSIVENESS HE SHOWED IN THE PRESEASON AND DOMINATES THE MIDDLE,SHOOTING GAPS LIKE A YOUNG TIM BOWENS.

3}JASON ALLEN PLAYS A WELL ROUNDED GAME AGAINST THE BEST QB IN THE LEAGUE

4}JOE TOLEDO AND ANTHONY ALIBI ARE STARTING ON THE LINE NEXT YEAR

5}RODERICK WRIGHT AND VICKERSON SURE UP A YOUNG DLINE WITH JASON AND ROTH STARTING ON THE ENDS.

6}DAUNTE COMES BACK 100 PERCENT WITH RONNIE BROWN AND RICKY WILLIAMS AS A THIRD DOWN BACK

7}WE PICK UP TWO STUDS IN FREE AGENCY AND WE HAVE A FULL DRAFT OF YOUNG FAST ROOKIES.

all these things are very possible and for some reason i think will happen,have a good one.


Please stop mentioning Cleo Lemon. I'm sick of fans singing the praises of quarterbacks that have shown nothing. I remember all the fans who thought Berlin should start last year...it's ridiculous. Just because a guy is young doesn't mean he is a potential answer at QB. Lemon is not the answer.
 
Ive felt the same way about this team for a few years. In all reality by the time we address some issues (if we do it competently which by now is not a given), we will have new ones at other areas, so this will take a long time. Posting something like this isn't going to get you anywhere though. Pessimism doesn't go well on this board, you're likely going to get flamed or at best several "I guess the sky is falling cause you say so" eye rolls. I disagree with Saban leaving but when it rains it pours, who knows. To avoid something like this we seriously need a break, at least 2 game impacting players from this draft and 2 other starters within in the next 2-3 years, one of which needs to be a QB (barring a Culpepper miracle).
 
If Saban Leaves...

If Saban leaves I go out on a limb and say your right - it will be time to "gut" this team. I don't think he's leaving however....Just because Bama wants Saban it does not mean that Saban wants them. I do believe they will make a serious pitch at him. With Wayne keeping the team Saban has a dream job...money is NO object. What ever Bama throws his way Wayne will match it. So relax...I will be SHOCKED if Saban leaves South Florida for Bum&*#$, AlaBAMA! :wink:
 
Realism and The Writing On The Wall
- Thoughts On What Is To Come


I'm reading the writing on the wall because it is screaming at me loudly. I write this post as a fellow Dolphins fan who wishes yearly for the best, but is routinely met with something far worse. I once said to a friend that a Dolphins loss is painful because is it analagous to something like this - The goal is you're trying to get into a room. The problem is that there is someone in the doorway in your way. You fight and you wrestle and you do everything you can to get in that door. You don't do enough though, you can't get through. Then the person says, ok, you tried pretty darn hard, and slowly creeps it open a bit as you sprint for the light. Just as you get to it the person slams the door in your face and you realize it's over, you've failed. The problem is this, the person trying to get in the room is you and your hopes for the Dolphins success. The person blocking your way, it isn't other teams, it's the Dolphins themselves. And there's the catch-22, you're routing and hoping for someone that continuously lets you down. Now, with that sort of bitter preface out of the way, let me tell you what I'm seeing on the wall.

One, this team is severely broken and it's a long time and a long way off from being fixed. Our holes are numerous. We're banking on a QB who came back and looked astoundingly atrocious. Our offensive line is average at best. Our WR's feature a player who has consistently underachieved and it's probably time to get some value out of him before the rest of the world catches on that talent only matters when it's combined with guts and heart, and I say this as someone who has worn a Chris Chambers jersey often, so please realize that it hurts for me too. I'm just through being an idealist. Realists are more pessimistic but it hurts them many times less when they're met with what actually happens. Our DB's are a hodge-podge of 2nd rate players. None of them are embarassingly bad, but none of them can be seen in any light as game-changers. Yeah we have some potential at safety with Bell and Allen was a first round draft pick, but to think that we can already count on these guys to make the big play, that's idealism at its best. What's sad is that these weaknesses are compromising and will ultimately ruin the chances for our strengths to be successful. Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas are hall of famers. They're also starting to creep up on age. I'm not one to argue that these guys probably have at least 2-3 good years left in them, but the problems we have as outlined already above will take much longer than that to fix. Ronnie Brown has shown flashes of brilliance, but he hasn't done it consistently and the thought that he could be a pro-bowler behind our budget O-line is laughable.

The second line of writing on this wall of the inevitable says this: Saban is leaving. I hate to say this. I am as big a fan of Saban as anyone. Most people who know me actually make fun of me for the amount of credit and belief I give to Nick Saban. However, the guy is leaving us. I hope that I am wrong, but I sincerely doubt it. Alabama would have signed a coach by this point if they weren't waiting for Saban to sign as soon as the game is over on Sunday. They have more than enough money and candidates to have hired someone by this point. They also make no qualms about saying that Saban is their man. Combined with the fact that Saban is an intelligent man with the astute ability to recognize the obvious, he knows his team is a long way off from being a winner and contendor, and Saban's pseudo-denials, and it's only the painful truth. Saban rolled the dice. He signed Culpepper, trusted the player's judgement and ultimately sacrificed the chance for a winning season. Who's to say if Culpepper may come back and be everything Nick and all of us hoped he'd be other than time. We'll just have to see, but I'd be shocked if it happens under Coach Nick Saban. My guess, we promote Capers to head coach on a trial one year period and take it from there. It's a shame, but in some ways leads to an answer to the first paragraph's points detailed above - it's time to rebuild.

When was the last time you saw a QB go from one team and be a champion, or contendor at least, on another? Don't say Brees because the Saints haven't even played a playoff game. Look at the stellar teams and their QB's. Manning, Brady, Palmer, Rivers - all drafted and built around. Even historically the same could be said - Marino, Montana, Elway - all drafted. Sure you could suggest some exceptions, the point is that the standard is to draft and build; not to gamble on a pick up and pray. Even if the Dolphins drafted a stellar QB this year with the potential for greatness, which would require a trade up in the draft - Chambers? and our first rounder? - it takes at least a few years to allow them to learn the NFL ropes and offense. By that point we'll be talking about how we have picked up a decent DB and our O line is passable but the fact the we have no pass rush and that our LB corps are thin.

Now, I'm not trying to paint an apocalyptic picture with no hope in sight, I'm just trying to be honest to myself so that I know what to expect from the future. I see this team as one who will give Daunte Culpepper one more season to prove that he can be the elite QB that a team needs to become a champion. I see some pick ups on O-line and DB in the offseason through the draft and free agency. I see a new coach in Miami with most of us left wondering what could have been under Saban. Most of all, I see myself hoping for the best and expecting something far less because I'm tired of being disappointed.

Comments are welcome.

- rdoser
Dude make more than 2 paragraphs out of your crap OK!!!!:eek:
 
good post,i firmly disagree about saban he's not going anywhere,anyways ok let me try to cheer you up,,

1] CLEO LEMON LIGHTS IT UP AGAINST THE COLTS,THROWING, RUNNING,RUNNING AND THROWING ON THE RUN.

2}FREDERICK EVANS SHOWS THE EXPLOSIVENESS HE SHOWED IN THE PRESEASON AND DOMINATES THE MIDDLE,SHOOTING GAPS LIKE A YOUNG TIM BOWENS.

3}JASON ALLEN PLAYS A WELL ROUNDED GAME AGAINST THE BEST QB IN THE LEAGUE

4}JOE TOLEDO AND ANTHONY ALIBI ARE STARTING ON THE LINE NEXT YEAR

5}RODERICK WRIGHT AND VICKERSON SURE UP A YOUNG DLINE WITH JASON AND ROTH STARTING ON THE ENDS.

6}DAUNTE COMES BACK 100 PERCENT WITH RONNIE BROWN AND RICKY WILLIAMS AS A THIRD DOWN BACK

7}WE PICK UP TWO STUDS IN FREE AGENCY AND WE HAVE A FULL DRAFT OF YOUNG FAST ROOKIES.

all these things are very possible and for some reason i think will happen,have a good one.
I agree with all but #5 wright and vickerson oughta be trade bait!:wink:
 
If Saban leaves I go out on a limb and say your right - it will be time to "gut" this team. I don't think he's leaving however....Just because Bama wants Saban it does not mean that Saban wants them. I do believe they will make a serious pitch at him. With Wayne keeping the team Saban has a dream job...money is NO object. What ever Bama throws his way Wayne will match it. So relax...I will be SHOCKED if Saban leaves South Florida for Bum&*#$, AlaBAMA! :wink:

If Bama offers Saban the kind of $ that is being mentioned ($3-5 mil/year), there is no way Wayne H matches that. And he would be crazy to match anything. If he goes, he goes, no great loss.
 
good post,i firmly disagree about saban he's not going anywhere,anyways ok let me try to cheer you up,,

1] CLEO LEMON LIGHTS IT UP AGAINST THE COLTS,THROWING, RUNNING,RUNNING AND THROWING ON THE RUN.

2}FREDERICK EVANS SHOWS THE EXPLOSIVENESS HE SHOWED IN THE PRESEASON AND DOMINATES THE MIDDLE,SHOOTING GAPS LIKE A YOUNG TIM BOWENS.

3}JASON ALLEN PLAYS A WELL ROUNDED GAME AGAINST THE BEST QB IN THE LEAGUE

4}JOE TOLEDO AND ANTHONY ALIBI ARE STARTING ON THE LINE NEXT YEAR

5}RODERICK WRIGHT AND VICKERSON SURE UP A YOUNG DLINE WITH JASON AND ROTH STARTING ON THE ENDS.

6}DAUNTE COMES BACK 100 PERCENT WITH RONNIE BROWN AND RICKY WILLIAMS AS A THIRD DOWN BACK

7}WE PICK UP TWO STUDS IN FREE AGENCY AND WE HAVE A FULL DRAFT OF YOUNG FAST ROOKIES.

all these things are very possible and for some reason i think will happen,have a good one.


Love the optimism; really I do. If all of those things happened we would have a rewarding 2007 to look towards and would be a wonderful New Years resolution that would come true. Among the points listed above among the most significatn we need Vickerson, Evans, and Roth to step up as they will be contributing and stepping in for the DL vets who will be leaving. Now there is more pressure than ever for the young guys to step up and work hard in the off season to be ready for next year.The OL must be re-tooled and Toldeo and Alibi along in IMHO at least two solid picks and at least one major FA pickup at C or G needs to jel quickly for next year. And of course C-Pep regaining his confidence and health is paramount.

GO FINS!
 
If Bama offers Saban the kind of $ that is being mentioned ($3-5 mil/year), there is no way Wayne H matches that. And he would be crazy to match anything. If he goes, he goes, no great loss.



Umm Saban already makes 5 million a year. 5 years @ 25 million breaks down to an average of 5 Million a year.
 
Realism and The Writing On The Wall
- Thoughts On What Is To Come

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When was the last time you saw a QB go from one team and be a champion, or contendor at least, on another? Don't say Brees because the Saints haven't even played a playoff game. Look at the stellar teams and their QB's. Manning, Brady, Palmer, Rivers - all drafted and built around. Even historically the same could be said - Marino, Montana, Elway - all drafted. Sure you could suggest some exceptions, the point is that the standard is to draft and build; not to gamble on a pick up and pray. ...

Comments are welcome.

- rdoser

Hasselbeck came pretty close last year - NFC champs.

Super bowl champs: Brad Johnson. Trent Dilfer. Brett Favre. Steve Young. Doug Williams. I'm sure there's more.
 
Hasselbeck came pretty close last year - NFC champs.

Super bowl champs: Brad Johnson. Trent Dilfer. Brett Favre. Steve Young. Doug Williams. I'm sure there's more.


"Sure you could suggest some exceptions, the point is that the standard is to draft and build; not to gamble on a pick up and pray." - not sure you saw that part.
 
Realism and The Writing On The Wall
- Thoughts On What Is To Come



I'm reading the writing on the wall because it is screaming at me loudly. I write this post as a fellow Dolphins fan who wishes yearly for the best, but is routinely met with something far worse. I once said to a friend that a Dolphins loss is painful because is it analagous to something like this - The goal is you're trying to get into a room. The problem is that there is someone in the doorway in your way. You fight and you wrestle and you do everything you can to get in that door. You don't do enough though, you can't get through. Then the person says, ok, you tried pretty darn hard, and slowly creeps it open a bit as you sprint for the light. Just as you get to it the person slams the door in your face and you realize it's over, you've failed. The problem is this, the person trying to get in the room is you and your hopes for the Dolphins success. The person blocking your way, it isn't other teams, it's the Dolphins themselves. And there's the catch-22, you're routing and hoping for someone that continuously lets you down. Now, with that sort of bitter preface out of the way, let me tell you what I'm seeing on the wall.

One, this team is severely broken and it's a long time and a long way off from being fixed. Our holes are numerous. We're banking on a QB who came back and looked astoundingly atrocious. Our offensive line is average at best. Our WR's feature a player who has consistently underachieved and it's probably time to get some value out of him before the rest of the world catches on that talent only matters when it's combined with guts and heart, and I say this as someone who has worn a Chris Chambers jersey often, so please realize that it hurts for me too. I'm just through being an idealist. Realists are more pessimistic but it hurts them many times less when they're met with what actually happens. Our DB's are a hodge-podge of 2nd rate players. None of them are embarassingly bad, but none of them can be seen in any light as game-changers. Yeah we have some potential at safety with Bell and Allen was a first round draft pick, but to think that we can already count on these guys to make the big play, that's idealism at its best. What's sad is that these weaknesses are compromising and will ultimately ruin the chances for our strengths to be successful. Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas are hall of famers. They're also starting to creep up on age. I'm not one to argue that these guys probably have at least 2-3 good years left in them, but the problems we have as outlined already above will take much longer than that to fix. Ronnie Brown has shown flashes of brilliance, but he hasn't done it consistently and the thought that he could be a pro-bowler behind our budget O-line is laughable.

The second line of writing on this wall of the inevitable says this: Saban is leaving. I hate to say this. I am as big a fan of Saban as anyone. Most people who know me actually make fun of me for the amount of credit and belief I give to Nick Saban. However, the guy is leaving us. I hope that I am wrong, but I sincerely doubt it. Alabama would have signed a coach by this point if they weren't waiting for Saban to sign as soon as the game is over on Sunday. They have more than enough money and candidates to have hired someone by this point. They also make no qualms about saying that Saban is their man. Combined with the fact that Saban is an intelligent man with the astute ability to recognize the obvious, he knows his team is a long way off from being a winner and contendor, and Saban's pseudo-denials, and it's only the painful truth. Saban rolled the dice. He signed Culpepper, trusted the player's judgement and ultimately sacrificed the chance for a winning season. Who's to say if Culpepper may come back and be everything Nick and all of us hoped he'd be other than time. We'll just have to see, but I'd be shocked if it happens under Coach Nick Saban. My guess, we promote Capers to head coach on a trial one year period and take it from there. It's a shame, but in some ways leads to an answer to the first paragraph's points detailed above - it's time to rebuild.

When was the last time you saw a QB go from one team and be a champion, or contendor at least, on another? Don't say Brees because the Saints haven't even played a playoff game. Look at the stellar teams and their QB's. Manning, Brady, Palmer, Rivers - all drafted and built around. Even historically the same could be said - Marino, Montana, Elway - all drafted. Sure you could suggest some exceptions, the point is that the standard is to draft and build; not to gamble on a pick up and pray. Even if the Dolphins drafted a stellar QB this year with the potential for greatness, which would require a trade up in the draft - Chambers? and our first rounder? - it takes at least a few years to allow them to learn the NFL ropes and offense. By that point we'll be talking about how we have picked up a decent DB and our O line is passable but the fact the we have no pass rush and that our LB corps are thin.

Now, I'm not trying to paint an apocalyptic picture with no hope in sight, I'm just trying to be honest to myself so that I know what to expect from the future. I see this team as one who will give Daunte Culpepper one more season to prove that he can be the elite QB that a team needs to become a champion. I see some pick ups on O-line and DB in the offseason through the draft and free agency. I see a new coach in Miami with most of us left wondering what could have been under Saban. Most of all, I see myself hoping for the best and expecting something far less because I'm tired of being disappointed.

Comments are welcome.

- rdoser


I'm too lazy to look it up..BUT a VERY small number of teams have won with the SB with a QB they drafted. Something like 70+% of SB's are won with QB's acquired outside of their teams draft.
 
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