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If we were in 2007 and Peyton Manning was available coming from Super Bowl MVP, it would be fool to think on anyone else but him.

But five years later, after 4 surgeries to fix his neck and without certainty about his throwing arm, there are many question on the same guy.

I have always loved Peyton Manning as an artist of being an offensive coordinator inside the field.

When healthy, this guy throws the football where his receivers can catch it and get a chance to get more yards. In many ways, he's the best quarterback of this league.

Recent information marks it's no longer a matter of "if he's healthy", but a question of "when he's healthy", because there are signs of nerve regeneration, but still no way to calculate a timetable of his full recovery. Also many teams will push for him, increasing his contract value.

So with our FO expressing he's our top priority to improve the most important piece of the team and NFL experts marking Dolphins as favorite team to get Peyton if Indianapolis opts to let him go, there are reasons to like/dislike him to inherit Dan Marino's role.

1) I like the message of being contenders again. After decades from being on a Super Bowl, fans are hungry to recover dignity and want a winning franchise. Bringing a winner like Manning, proves Ross is committed to return this team into championship contention.
2) I like the fun of having a Pro-bowler as QB. Peyton has been one of the most consistent members of the AFC team at the Pro-bowl, mostly because he's the most iconic player of this league, one that was missed in Indianapolis this season to the point they moved from dominating AFC South for 7 years in a row to hold the first draft in April.
3) I like the idea of having him surrounded by play-makers like Marshall & Bush. I'm daydreaming about the offensive power that could exits in aqua & orange, where defenders could find incapable of stopping them.
4) I like the fact of having a quality QB without using draft picks to grab him. With Manning as QB, draft resources can focus on RT, TE, RG & SS. Trading up to get a flashy guy looks insane as it might cost us at least 2 first rounders (2012 & 2013) and a 3rd next year, but might climb to 3 first rounds. Also if somehow GB tags Matt Flynn, he could cost us a 1st round pick.
5) I like the potential of making him a future member of our coaching staff. Peyton is a football genius on his final years as player and could join coach staff of his last team as player, also he likes South Florida as his retirement place.


1) I dislike the idea of using an injured player as solution. A contract that could eat most of our cap space should go to someone ready to guide this team into victories. His health places a lot of questions about which Peyton Manning could Miami be hiring: someone close to Colts' superstar of 2006 or a weak and fragile version of him who won't serve a thing and could hurt this team for years.
2) I dislike the risk of signing a one-hit-away-of-retirement guy. "Football" means "hits" and "repaired" is "fragile" from now on Peyton could lose some games injured or have a dramatic end for his always shinning carer.
3) I dislike the idea of wasting WCO genius. This year Ross hired Joe Philbin as HC, who also named Mike Sherman as his OC, both guys are great WCO experts. But Manning won't come to learn WCO, he'll handle the offense in his terms. This is the main reason i support Matt Flynn as top option over Peyton.
4) I dislike the fact that owner is guiding this decision. Mr Ross understands Manning is his best chance to sell out his stadium and avoid expensive blackouts. But such thing could come from a shortsighted approach created by an owner who is expecting 2006 version of Peyton but could find a heartbreaking truth, that guy no longer exists.
5) I dislike our record of failure in medical diagnosis. They miserably failed evaluating Drew Brees vs Daunte Culpepper, also have missed on Brandon Marshall, Jake Long, Philip Merling & Chad Pennington's recoveries. So I'm scared to death about having their advise as decisive source.


Help me sharing your opinions about this.
 
The only dislike is if he's healthy. But we really don't have many options unless they want to trade up for RG3.

Odds are Flynn is AJ Feeley II.
 
Manning is not "one hit away from retirement." His neck is 100% fused. He's no closer to retirement than any other QB in the NFL.
 
Manning is not "one hit away from retirement." His neck is 100% fused. He's no closer to retirement than any other QB in the NFL.

:crazy:

... 100% fused? Yeah with a rod of metal fused into there. Acting as if he's 100% of the Manning before is ridiculous. He might be close to fully healthy but I assure you he'll never be what he was once and he is much closer to injury than anyone else in this league who hasn't had multiple surgeries
 
:crazy:

... 100% fused? Yeah with a rod of metal fused into there. Acting as if he's 100% of the Manning before is ridiculous. He might be close to fully healthy but I assure you he'll never be what he was once and he is much closer to injury than anyone else in this league who hasn't had multiple surgeries
It has been reported that his neck is back to normal and he is not any more at risk for paralysis than any other player. Research before you post.
 
:crazy:

... 100% fused? Yeah with a rod of metal fused into there. Acting as if he's 100% of the Manning before is ridiculous. He might be close to fully healthy but I assure you he'll never be what he was once and he is much closer to injury than anyone else in this league who hasn't had multiple surgeries

I'd inform yourself on Manning's situation so that you can answer with an accurate statement, rather than talk out of your butt like you did here.
 
I know his situation and I think that obviously it will look and feel "normal" but I highly doubt he'll ever be what he once was. For example, for all of the patients who have had similar surgeries for every two or three that say they have had 100% recovery, you'll have one who's situation didn't get better or got worse. Yet all of them were told they were going to fully recover
 
I think it's a huge gamble with no assurrance that he'll ever return to full function, and at best, it is a 2-3 year band-aid.

If Philbin truly wants and believes in Flynn, that's a no brainer to me. Knows the system, and could be our guy for 6-8 years. He's got a small sample, but he's done well in them. He has 2 more (successful) NFL games under his belt than Luck, Griffin, or Tannehill; he has one more NFL game last season than Manning. In fact, he's the only prospect we have any recent NFL game info on, and he set records. But it all depends on Philbin's assessment.

If he says no to Flynn, then I think you have to at least glance at what it would take to move up for RG3, then more likely, trade back a few spots and get Tannehill. Of course, that depends on Sherman's assessment...
 
It has been reported that his neck is back to normal and he is not any more at risk for paralysis than any other player. Research before you post.
Those reports are being spread by Manning's friends and agent. There they say that some anonymous doctor says he'll be fine.

It's a fact he won't recover 100% of his original mobility, and it's pretty possible his throwing arm is going to be prone to injuries.
 
I know his situation and I think that obviously it will look and feel "normal" but I highly doubt he'll ever be what he once was. For example, for all of the patients who have had similar surgeries for every two or three that say they have had 100% recovery, you'll have one who's situation didn't get better or got worse. Yet all of them were told they were going to fully recover

We're not talking about the same thing. I said he's no closer to facing a serious injury from a hit than any other QB. His neck is 100% healed/fused. I'm not talking about the nerve regeneration/arm strength, etc.

You're talking about whether he can be a good QB again. We're on different pages.

That said, if the nerves regenerate fully, he'll be physically better than he was in 2010 when he dealt with numbness, fatigue and hurt arm strength........And still went for 4700 yards and 33 TD's.
 
chris weinke had the same injury and was 100% in 7 months...the reason ross is making this decision is because he needs to sell tickets..manning does that...
 
chris weinke had the same injury and was 100% in 7 months...the reason ross is making this decision is because he needs to sell tickets..manning does that...
But Weinke never got a retouch or the four procedures.

I'm not saying Manning won't recover the main question is when and mostly: How much off his previous quality remains untouched?

I don't discount he'll play at a decent level once his nerves are fully regenerated, but his muscles and bones will need more time to recover and stay out of injuries. I don't see Miami hiring Peyton to sit in 2012 and then return as starter in 2013.
 
The only dislike is if he's healthy. But we really don't have many options unless they want to trade up for RG3.

Odds are Flynn is AJ Feeley II.

You could be right but not in the way you tried to express.

A.J. Feeley is the living proof that some guys are molded under a system and they won't fit outside of it. Since his days as Dolphins ended, he has showed many times he can serve well as WCO passer. So A.J. won't be remembered as the a great passer but surely his luck could have been different if Miami have used a WCO system back in his days as starter.

That said, as today I don't see Matt Flynn as a clone of Aaron Rodgers. Matt's just a minor version of Aaron, but one that needs some work and could fit to lead us to important competition. Give him time to develop, add the right tools and he could turn into superstar.
 
If we were in 2007 and Peyton Manning was available coming from Super Bowl MVP, it would be fool to think on anyone else but him.

But five years later, after 4 surgeries to fix his neck and without certainty about his throwing arm, there are many question on the same guy.

I have always loved Peyton Manning as an artist of being an offensive coordinator inside the field.

When healthy, this guy throws the football where his receivers can catch it and get a chance to get more yards. In many ways, he's the best quarterback of this league.

Recent information marks it's no longer a matter of "if he's healthy", but a question of "when he's healthy", because there are signs of nerve regeneration, but still no way to calculate a timetable of his full recovery. Also many teams will push for him, increasing his contract value.

So with our FO expressing he's our top priority to improve the most important piece of the team and NFL experts marking Dolphins as favorite team to get Peyton if Indianapolis opts to let him go, there are reasons to like/dislike him to inherit Dan Marino's role.

1) I like the message of being contenders again. After decades from being on a Super Bowl, fans are hungry to recover dignity and want a winning franchise. Bringing a winner like Manning, proves Ross is committed to return this team into championship contention.
2) I like the fun of having a Pro-bowler as QB. Peyton has been one of the most consistent members of the AFC team at the Pro-bowl, mostly because he's the most iconic player of this league, one that was missed in Indianapolis this season to the point they moved from dominating AFC South for 7 years in a row to hold the first draft in April.
3) I like the idea of having him surrounded by play-makers like Marshall & Bush. I'm daydreaming about the offensive power that could exits in aqua & orange, where defenders could find incapable of stopping them.
4) I like the fact of having a quality QB without using draft picks to grab him. With Manning as QB, draft resources can focus on RT, TE, RG & SS. Trading up to get a flashy guy looks insane as it might cost us at least 2 first rounders (2012 & 2013) and a 3rd next year, but might climb to 3 first rounds. Also if somehow GB tags Matt Flynn, he could cost us a 1st round pick.
5) I like the potential of making him a future member of our coaching staff. Peyton is a football genius on his final years as player and could join coach staff of his last team as player, also he likes South Florida as his retirement place.


1) I dislike the idea of using an injured player as solution. A contract that could eat most of our cap space should go to someone ready to guide this team into victories. His health places a lot of questions about which Peyton Manning could Miami be hiring: someone close to Colts' superstar of 2006 or a weak and fragile version of him who won't serve a thing and could hurt this team for years.
2) I dislike the risk of signing a one-hit-away-of-retirement guy. "Football" means "hits" and "repaired" is "fragile" from now on Peyton could lose some games injured or have a dramatic end for his always shinning carer.
3) I dislike the idea of wasting WCO genius. This year Ross hired Joe Philbin as HC, who also named Mike Sherman as his OC, both guys are great WCO experts. But Manning won't come to learn WCO, he'll handle the offense in his terms. This is the main reason i support Matt Flynn as top option over Peyton.
4) I dislike the fact that owner is guiding this decision. Mr Ross understands Manning is his best chance to sell out his stadium and avoid expensive blackouts. But such thing could come from a shortsighted approach created by an owner who is expecting 2006 version of Peyton but could find a heartbreaking truth, that guy no longer exists.
5) I dislike our record of failure in medical diagnosis. They miserably failed evaluating Drew Brees vs Daunte Culpepper, also have missed on Brandon Marshall, Jake Long, Philip Merling & Chad Pennington's recoveries. So I'm scared to death about having their advise as decisive source.


Help me sharing your opinions about this.

WHY IS PEOPLE KEEP SAYING ONE HIT AWAY ? the doctors said Manning could take a hit as good as Luck or RG3 can that wasnt the prob. prob was in his throwing , but thats about to come to a hault ,gooooo listen plz.
http://www.miamidolphins.com/media/v...e-8931a5add795
 
peyton manning gets rid of the ball to quick to get hit. how bout that?

and another thing. Flynn knowing our system. What is our system???? Philbin said we are not going to just plop Green Bays offense down here in Miami. So Flynn is going to have to learn the system we design. Likely to be similar, but in their own image. Its not a blanket statement that is absolute.
 
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