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Reason's why Miami should not go WR early

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Have seen many mocks recently that have the Fins taking a WR, with their 1st pick, however here's why I think it would be a bad move to do so, based on the Fins current roster of players.

The Fins pass rush was virtually no existant during the closing stages of the season. Defenses that dont get to the passer quickly struggle, as any QB at NFL level will find a receiver if they have enough time, no matter how good the secondary is. Sure we signed Cam Wake, but he is un-proven at this level. If Porter goes down in the 1st game who is there to replace him? Porters production also dipped at the tail end last season which would suggest his motor is not what it used to be either.

With Goodman gone, the CB position is looking very thin at the moment. This has to be looked at early 2nd round at the latest IMO, even if we sign a vet in free agency.

Many people here were less than content with our inside linebackers also and guess what, we still have the same guys. Crowder and Ayodele are serviceable, but not game changers. Behind them however looks very bleek. Torbor is wreckless and inconsistant. We all seen last season that when Crowder was injured vs KC, the defense went to bits and thats only missing a guy like Crowder. One injury here and we are in big trouble.

At NT, we currently have the ageing Ferguson and the un-proven Solai. Needless to say if Solai does'nt step it up soon we are going to have huge problems as Ferguson can not go every done, every game anymore. Personally I'm not convinced we have good enough personel at the 3-4's most important position.

Another thing worth mentioning is the lack of depth at the Tackle position. I am well aware that the Fins have arguebly one of the best Tackle tandems in the league. But we thread a very thin line by having virtually no depth at the position either. We lose either player and we are very much up **** creek.

Based on last season, our current set of wide outs is very serviceable and competitive. When you have a short armed QB like Pennington, you need quick, elusive and crisp rout runners like Bess and Camarillo. Ginn is there to stretch the field, but with Penningtons arm, I dont think his strenghts get utilised as what they can be.

Would a big receiver like Nicks elevate our WR corps? Yes, of course it would. But is it needed so much that we need to spend a 1st round pick on it? No, last season showed we have the wideouts in place that can do a job for this team. Picking a wideout early would be a luxury pick, not based on needs. Which is why I dont think the Fins should look at a WR until round 4.
 
I agree to an extent, but if we can get a true #1 WR in the first, then I think we should.
 
This is a pretty deep draft for CB and DE/OLB. We could definitely take someone like Nicks in the first and be fill our other holes after that. Having said that, I still doubt it happens. The only WRI would take in the first (aside from Crabtree or Maclin who will be gone) is Nicks.
 
Valandui said:
This is a pretty deep draft for CB and DE/OLB. We could definitely take someone like Nicks in the first and be fill our other holes after that. Having said that, I still doubt it happens. The only WRI would take in the first (aside from Crabtree or Maclin who will be gone) is Nicks.
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I would take Harvin, but that aside we really need a solid, bigger, give me the damn ball when it counts #1 WR. And we need it badly. Hakeem Nicks fits the bill. I'm still intrigued by Todd Lowber on the PS, but he's not ready for prime time yet.
 
The only position IMO that we need more than WR is CB, and that's only because we don't have anyone close to starter quality on the other side of Will Allen at the moment. An argument could be made however that the Phins don't even have one starting caliber WR. I like Ted Ginn and think he will be a very good player for us, but do feel we NEED someone good on the other side of him. Bess is a slot wr, and Camarillo wouldn't even be playing for a lot of teams. If Hakeem Nicks is there when we pick and he's the BPA I'd be disapointed if we didn't take him.
 
wideout in the first? if there is nothing better available, then sure i guess. but id much rather get a linebacker, inside or out, but preferably one thatll get to the qb. if no linebacker that is worth the first is there. then pickup the best corner on the board. like you said with goodman gone, we are thin so we sure could use it there. with the grove signing center is pretty much addressed. but there is nothing wrong drafting a blue chipper to create more competition in camp. whether its guard or center. that would give us a youngster to sit and learn, while giving us a strong backup waiting to step up if a starter goes down. which according to last season looks very possible. so if a o-lineman is the best option. would you guys be opposed to grabbing one?
 
i think we go CB/LB round 1, CB/LB round 2, WR/NT round 2A and the other in round 3.

i do think we trade beck and satele and with sateles pick we use it to fill that other spot or evne grab White.

sparano said hes good for the WC but not worth a high pick b/c we used teh WC only 5 times for example in a game adn u dont want someone who can contribute only 5 times a game for a high pick but i think taht was all smoke screen bc he will play more then just on WC. Screens, short slants, KR, PR, WR, WC adn why show ur hand? so clearly a smoke screen.
 
studsatele said:
wideout in the first? if there is nothing better available, then sure i guess. but id much rather get a linebacker, inside or out, but preferably one thatll get to the qb. if no linebacker that is worth the first is there. then pickup the best corner on the board. like you said with goodman gone, we are thin so we sure could use it there. with the grove signing center is pretty much addressed. but there is nothing wrong drafting a blue chipper to create more competition in camp. whether its guard or center. that would give us a youngster to sit and learn, while giving us a strong backup waiting to step up if a starter goes down. which according to last season looks very possible. so if a o-lineman is the best option. would you guys be opposed to grabbing one?
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Would be all for drafting a lineman who can play both guard and tackle in the 1st three rounds, as you can never have too much depth on the O-line. But it all depends where abouts you want to grab an O-Lineman. Are you talking early or later rounds?
 
outlawd2u said:
The only position IMO that we need more than WR is CB, and that's only because we don't have anyone close to starter quality on the other side of Will Allen at the moment. An argument could be made however that the Phins don't even have one starting caliber WR. I like Ted Ginn and think he will be a very good player for us, but do feel we NEED someone good on the other side of him. Bess is a slot wr, and Camarillo wouldn't even be playing for a lot of teams. If Hakeem Nicks is there when we pick and he's the BPA I'd be disapointed if we didn't take him.
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Dont see it that way myself. Camarillo showed last season that he was more than able to play alongside Ginn IMO. I mean, Cam was on pace to go damn near a 900 yard season. He had 55 receptions for 613 yards in only 11 games. Bess had 54 receptions for 554 yards and lets remember Bess was'nt involved much in the early part of the season either. These guys are perfect for a QB like Pennington and were a huge factor in why Pennington was so successful. Sure handed route runners are what Pennington needs.

I do understand there is a need for a big physical receiver, but that need is not as great as the need for linebackers and corners, especially when you have Camarillo and Bess there who proved they can do a good job as the number 2 receiver.
 
Dont be surprised if its Robiskie. bloodline, 6-3, work ethic, can work the middle and deep, decent speed for his size. I am starting to see this kid making an impression. I think our other needs will force us away from Nicks who will prob go earlier.
 
If Nicks is there at #25 I think we have to take him....if not, then I hope we can take Darius Butler. If we take Butler first then Robiskie or maybe Kenny Britt would make sense in the 2nd. I trust in the Tuna and know he will make the right choice.
 
We don't need to waste a high pick on a WR. Our wideouts already perfect for the kind of offense we run. On any given play, we have 5 guys that can make tough catches. The only reason we don't have one of those 100+ catch guys is because we spread the ball around so much. We don't need one of those guys.
 
Your points are all correct.

Tuna isn't going to draft a WR in the 1st round. These people that are pulling for Nicks are going to be sorely disappointed come draft day. WR is DRESSING on the salad. We are still getting the lettuce in place. I am grateful Tuna is calling the shots and not the average Dolfan. :hump:
 
You may question the effectiveness of Charlie Anderson and Quentin Moses but I don't think there is any doubt that both of them are better pass rushers than Roth. Roth is very stout against the run and did a surprising job year.

I don't think you can say we don't have good depth when all three backup OLB's may be just as effective as our starters.

Wake,as good as Porter. Yes and maybe better. Joey has had one good year in the last 4. His last couple years in Pittsburgh weren't that great.
I don't think we can realistically expect a repeat of last years performance.
And remembe, he has a bad back and his career could be over at any moment.

I also like Walden. He is extremely raw but a great tackler with some athleticism.

I would have signed Shawn Springs to a one year contract but I get the impression that they they just aren't convinced that any of these high priced FA's are really THAT MUCH better than Jason Allen and Joey Thomas.

I don't recall reading anything in print but if I remember right I think I heard one of the color announcers say at one time that the Dolphins were very high on Joey Thomas.

Maybe they are just looking for depth at CB and not a starter.

Maybe Moses beats out Roth this year. It is only his 2nd year as a 3-4 OLB.

I wouldn't take WR in the 1st either but I would take Jared Cook to be a WR/TE if he was there at #44.
 
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