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OK -- I've now watched a full weekend of NFL football, including our game, and here's why we're doomed this year:

1) We have absolutely no cohesion on offense. Watching the Chiefs versus the Broncos and Indy versus NE should show you that. Part of the reason is that we have an offensive coordinator who is teaching a playbook he didn't design. Everybody knows that cohesion on offense develops in PRACTICE, not in games (think Bill Walsh).

When you have an offensive coordinator who's being forced to teach plays he didn't design, your practices can't possibly be as effective as when your OC is teaching his own plays -- the players have more familiarity with the playbook than the coordinator! How can that be a good scenario?

And don't think Ricky's walking out had nothing to do with that. He was being cast in the role of the battering ram on an offense that was clearly going nowhere. I'm sure it looked like the blind leading the blind during the mini-camps (especially with 4 new offensive linemen out there), and when you're the guy who's gonna feel the pain the most (Ricky), you either want out or you want more money to make the pain WORTH something.

The problem here is that Wannstedt has effectively made himself the defensive AND offensive coordinator. He's made it so that the power he has over the offensive philosophy and play-calling is totally out of proportion with his offensive knowledge base. It's like the bagboy running the cash register.

And of course this is problem #1, and it all stems from DW's anxiety and his fear of being fired during or after the "do or die" year Huizenga has given him (which of course was a mistake).

2) We have no leaders and no coach who knows how to develop them. Mike Shanahan called a play last night where Jake Plummer ran a designed QB keeper around the end for a 1st down in a clutch situation. When plays like that are successful, leaders are developed. The team will look up to Plummer as a leader when he consistently makes plays like those, and Shanahan is smart enough to know that (unlike DW).

We not only have no leaders, we have no coach who knows how to develop them. Do you honestly think DW knows how to handle Feeley? Do you think he'll put him in position to become a leader on offense? I don't, and when you have no leaders, you have no team. There has never been a Super Bowl winning team that had no leaders. And even if you think Zach and JT are good leaders (which I don't), that's still only one side of the ball.

3) We're WAY too new on offense. Look at the Chiefs and NE by contrast. They're both using offensive schemes they've used for at least the past 3 or 4 years, and they still have the players executing them that they've had all along. When McIntosh is healthy, we'll have EIGHT new players on offense. There's no way you can develop cohesion with that in one season. We might get SOME cohesion by the end of the season, but we'll be NOWHERE NEAR as good as teams like NE, KC, Denver, Indy, and Tennessee. Let's be honest here.

4) The best teams in the AFC have strengths that make us have poor matchups against them. When Chris Brown runs for 100 yards in a half against us, what do you think the CHIEFS are gonna do? What do you think the BRONCOS are gonna do? These are teams with DOMINANT offensive lines and DOMINANT running backs. We stand no chance against those teams -- they'll have their way with us, and we'll have no answer because we can't score (see above). Again, let's be honest.

You might be thinking the team will develop over the course of the year and eventually be pretty good. That may happen. But when you look at the teams we have to get through to get anywhere and think about what they have going on, it's clear we're headed nowhere this year. With all the newness on offense, even the best coaching staff in the world would get this team only to 10-6/11-5.

What do you think DW and company are gonna do with it? :shakeno:
 
1) We have absolutely no cohesion on offense. Watching the Chiefs versus the Broncos and Indy versus NE should show you that. Part of the reason is that we have an offensive coordinator who is teaching a playbook he didn't design. Everybody knows that cohesion on offense develops in PRACTICE, not in games (think Bill Walsh).

That, or half our offence is new and they need time to adjust. Remember Gordon running the wrong rute on Feeleys int?. Right now we have a talent group of individuals running around. Hopefully they will be a talented team in a few weeks.

When you have an offensive coordinator who's being forced to teach plays he didn't design, your practices can't possibly be as effective as when your OC is teaching his own plays -- the players have more familiarity with the playbook than the coordinator! How can that be a good scenario?

I know what you're saying, but they plays have been excellent. Execution on the other hand has been terrible.

The problem here is that Wannstedt has effectively made himself the defensive AND offensive coordinator. He's made it so that the power he has over the offensive philosophy and play-calling is totally out of proportion with his offensive knowledge base. It's like the bagboy running the cash register.

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Are you saying the playcalling last saturday was typical Wanny? Because i'd have to disagree. If Wanny had been calling the shots, minor would have had 45 carries. That had Foerster all over it.

You might be thinking the team will develop over the course of the year and eventually be pretty good. That may happen. But when you look at the teams we have to get through to get anywhere and think about what they have going on, it's clear we're headed nowhere this year. With all the newness on offense, even the best coaching staff in the world would get this team only to 10-6/11-5.

I actually think that this team will come together. It's a gamble, yea, but there is just so much damn talent on the offence. My only concern is if we actually have someone to throw the ball. Fiedler just showed us why he belongs on the bench, and as much as i'm cheering for Feeley, it's obvious that he is not "the next dan marino".

We not only have no leaders, we have no coach who knows how to develop them. Do you honestly think DW knows how to handle Feeley? Do you think he'll put him in position to become a leader on offense? I

I think this comes from the players not having much faith in Wanny. I agree that he seems to have a hard time creating leaders.
 
Hey, I respect your post. But they are all just assumption, assumptions like those who think this team will build steam over the year. All we can do is wait it out and watch what develops.

Still good post.
 
touborg said:
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Are you saying the playcalling last saturday was typical Wanny? Because i'd have to disagree. If Wanny had been calling the shots, minor would have had 45 carries. That had Foerster all over it.
It was running and SHORT passing. That's DW all the way. Did we even have a pass ATTEMPT of over 30 yards? Check the Raiders highlights -- Norv threw deep TWICE for TDs. And that's with a new team too.
 
It was running and SHORT passing. That's DW all the way. Did we even have a pass ATTEMPT of over 30 yards? Check the Raiders highlights -- Norv threw deep TWICE for TDs. And that's with a new team too.

I don't agree.
I think the short passes were more designed for Fiedler than by DW. We had 3 backs going into the game and spent most of our time passing, which I think is very much unlike DW.
 
I stoped reading when I saw NE,KC,INDY,DENVER the four best O's in the league? Your saying we won't win because we are not like them? Come on man how many of those have a D? We won't win the SB but we will be a top 10 "TEAM" by the end of the year.
You can't expect to win it all anyways with the off season we have had. I don't care if we win it all this year,it would be nice...but not very realistic I will be happy with steady improvment from one week to the next. I am really curious to see how the D holds up with the loss of Ogun and some of the new young faces on the team. I think if this team improves every week, with a hickup here and there this team will be prime for next year. Thats where I think it will show if Ricks moves were the right moves.
 
feelthepain said:
I stoped reading when I saw NE,KC,INDY,DENVER the four best O's in the league? Your saying we won't win because we are not like them? Come on man how many of those have a D? We won't win the SB but we will be a top 10 "TEAM" by the end of the year.
You can't expect to win it all anyways with the off season we have had. I don't care if we win it all this year,it would be nice...but not very realistic I will be happy with steady improvment from one week to the next. I am really curious to see how the D holds up with the loss of Ogun and some of the new young faces on the team. I think if this team improves every week, with a hickup here and there this team will be prime for next year. Thats where I think it will show if Ricks moves were the right moves.
I'm with you all the way on NEXT year. And I like Spielman a LOT. I just don't like DW's decisions.
 
How on earth does DENVER make the list of best offenses... while a team like the Titans is much better?
 
all we need is time, yes our ENTIRE offense has changed, how can you expect them to play their first game of the season?? we have a new RB whos been here for less than a week, 4 new Olineman who have been shuffled more than a deck of cards in vegas, a new number 2 receiver whos still adjusting to the offense, and now a new QB, damn give them a chance to play together and get good together, i think it will happen, but its gonna hit its speed bumps on the way...

im very optimistic about this bunch and think we can do some good things, but im willing to say we need some time to play together before expecting 30 pts a game like some of the people on this board...
 
shouright said:
OK -- I've now watched a full weekend of NFL football, including our game, and here's why we're doomed this year:

1) We have absolutely no cohesion on offense. Watching the Chiefs versus the Broncos and Indy versus NE should show you that. Part of the reason is that we have an offensive coordinator who is teaching a playbook he didn't design. Everybody knows that cohesion on offense develops in PRACTICE, not in games (think Bill Walsh).

When you have an offensive coordinator who's being forced to teach plays he didn't design, your practices can't possibly be as effective as when your OC is teaching his own plays -- the players have more familiarity with the playbook than the coordinator! How can that be a good scenario?

And don't think Ricky's walking out had nothing to do with that. He was being cast in the role of the battering ram on an offense that was clearly going nowhere. I'm sure it looked like the blind leading the blind during the mini-camps (especially with 4 new offensive linemen out there), and when you're the guy who's gonna feel the pain the most (Ricky), you either want out or you want more money to make the pain WORTH something.

The problem here is that Wannstedt has effectively made himself the defensive AND offensive coordinator. He's made it so that the power he has over the offensive philosophy and play-calling is totally out of proportion with his offensive knowledge base. It's like the bagboy running the cash register.

And of course this is problem #1, and it all stems from DW's anxiety and his fear of being fired during or after the "do or die" year Huizenga has given him (which of course was a mistake).

2) We have no leaders and no coach who knows how to develop them. Mike Shanahan called a play last night where Jake Plummer ran a designed QB keeper around the end for a 1st down in a clutch situation. When plays like that are successful, leaders are developed. The team will look up to Plummer as a leader when he consistently makes plays like those, and Shanahan is smart enough to know that (unlike DW).

We not only have no leaders, we have no coach who knows how to develop them. Do you honestly think DW knows how to handle Feeley? Do you think he'll put him in position to become a leader on offense? I don't, and when you have no leaders, you have no team. There has never been a Super Bowl winning team that had no leaders. And even if you think Zach and JT are good leaders (which I don't), that's still only one side of the ball.

3) We're WAY too new on offense. Look at the Chiefs and NE by contrast. They're both using offensive schemes they've used for at least the past 3 or 4 years, and they still have the players executing them that they've had all along. When McIntosh is healthy, we'll have EIGHT new players on offense. There's no way you can develop cohesion with that in one season. We might get SOME cohesion by the end of the season, but we'll be NOWHERE NEAR as good as teams like NE, KC, Denver, Indy, and Tennessee. Let's be honest here.

4) The best teams in the AFC have strengths that make us have poor matchups against them. When Chris Brown runs for 100 yards in a half against us, what do you think the CHIEFS are gonna do? What do you think the BRONCOS are gonna do? These are teams with DOMINANT offensive lines and DOMINANT running backs. We stand no chance against those teams -- they'll have their way with us, and we'll have no answer because we can't score (see above). Again, let's be honest.

You might be thinking the team will develop over the course of the year and eventually be pretty good. That may happen. But when you look at the teams we have to get through to get anywhere and think about what they have going on, it's clear we're headed nowhere this year. With all the newness on offense, even the best coaching staff in the world would get this team only to 10-6/11-5.

What do you think DW and company are gonna do with it? :shakeno:

So we may as well have a 1 week regular season instead on a 17 week regular season.
You have everything figured out already. Man, you should be working for some team in the NFL. I mean, to be able to figure out EVERYTHING after one week of football? That is VERY impressive. Good Job.
 
pigskinguy said:
So we may as well have a 1 week regular season instead on a 17 week regular season.
You have everything figured out already. Man, you should be working for some team in the NFL. I mean, to be able to figure out EVERYTHING after one week of football? That is VERY impressive. Good Job.
If you think this is wrong, then you must think you have something figured out too.
 
According to DW, he wanted to look for CC deep 5-6 times in last weeks game. What happened? We don't know what play they were called on, but the o-line might not have held their blocks long enough, Chambers might have been double-covered, or constant penalties might have limited the occaisions to call the play.
 
shouright said:
If you think this is wrong, then you must think you have something figured out too.

No I don't. And that's the point. How in the hell can YOU have it all figured out in 1 week. Nobody has it figured out in 1 week. THAT is why it's a 17 week season. Remember last year in Week 1 - Buffalo 31, New England 0.
Buffalo = no playoffs
New England = Super Bowl champs.
You can go on and on and on about how you have everything figured out, but you don't. You can't after just 1 week. Coaches and coordinators and GM's and players that get played big bucks don't have it figured out yet, so I highly doubt some dude sitting in front of his computer monitor in his SPARE TIME does.
 
pigskinguy said:
No I don't. And that's the point. How in the hell can YOU have it all figured out in 1 week. Nobody has it figured out in 1 week. THAT is why it's a 17 week season. Remember last year in Week 1 - Buffalo 31, New England 0.
Buffalo = no playoffs
New England = Super Bowl champs.
You can go on and on and on about how you have everything figured out, but you don't. You can't after just 1 week. Coaches and coordinators and GM's and players that get played big bucks don't have it figured out yet, so I highly doubt some dude sitting in front of his computer monitor in his SPARE TIME does.
So tell me what YOU think about the Dolphins compared to teams like KC, Indy, NE, Denver, and Tennessee. Sure nobody's got it figured out for sure -- if they did they'd be psychic. But give me YOUR impressions of us compared to these teams from top to bottom. Tennessee beat us without even USING McNair.
 
pigskinguy said:
No I don't. And that's the point. How in the hell can YOU have it all figured out in 1 week. Nobody has it figured out in 1 week. THAT is why it's a 17 week season. Remember last year in Week 1 - Buffalo 31, New England 0.
Buffalo = no playoffs
New England = Super Bowl champs.
You can go on and on and on about how you have everything figured out, but you don't. You can't after just 1 week. Coaches and coordinators and GM's and players that get played big bucks don't have it figured out yet, so I highly doubt some dude sitting in front of his computer monitor in his SPARE TIME does.


Exactly, who the hell knows whats going to happen in the next 17 weeks. maybe miss cleo.... is that you shouright? :roflmao:

To try to compare miami's offense to KC, Indy, etc is like comparing apples to oranges. In case you didnt know most of those teams have average to poor defenses and MUST score 21-28 pts to be able to have a chance to win.
 
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