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Reasons Why We're Doomed

Crisdeman said:
Exactly, who the hell knows whats going to happen in the next 17 weeks. maybe miss cleo.... is that you shouright? :roflmao:

To try to compare miami's offense to KC, Indy, etc is like comparing apples to oranges. In case you didnt know most of those teams have average to poor defenses and MUST score 21-28 pts to be able to have a chance to win.
Well guess what -- our defense held Tennessee to 10 points (but they weren't using McNair the way they usually do), and all of the points I made above were the reasons why our offense LOST the game for us despite our efforts on defense. So yeah, those teams need 21-28 points to win (which they'll get), but we could lose even with a defensive SHUTOUT.

And how long do you think this defense will last when almost all of our offensive possessions are 3 and outs?
 
shouright said:
So tell me what YOU think about the Dolphins compared to teams like KC, Indy, NE, Denver, and Tennessee. Sure nobody's got it figured out for sure -- if they did they'd be psychic. But give me YOUR impressions of us compared to these teams from top to bottom. Tennessee beat us without even USING McNair.
The Titans didnt beat us.We beat ourselves.
 
First game of the season, new o-line, new Qb, and new RB, oh and new WRs, what does that tell you, growing pains. This is actually where we find out if wanny can coach or not, if he can make this group gel in the next few weeks we'll be tough. IF he can't then I'll be like the rest of you and I'll say give me a new coach.

WE held the Titans to 10 points on the offense, if our defense can do that to the MVP led titans, then Our offense will get the time it needs to gel.

Patience is a virtue of kings.
 
Wildbill3 said:
First game of the season, new o-line, new Qb, and new RB, oh and new WRs, what does that tell you, growing pains. This is actually where we find out if wanny can coach or not, if he can make this group gel in the next few weeks we'll be tough. IF he can't then I'll be like the rest of you and I'll say give me a new coach.

WE held the Titans to 10 points on the offense, if our defense can do that to the MVP led titans, then Our offense will get the time it needs to gel.

Patience is a virtue of kings.
First, the MVP-led Titans were using a gameplan featuring Chris Brown instead of the MVP. And it worked, which says we have a weakness in defending the run.

Don't expect our defense to continue to hold teams to 10 points when teams use ALL the players they have and our D is tired from our offense having 3 and outs almost every possession.
 
shouright said:
First, the MVP-led Titans were using a gameplan featuring Chris Brown instead of the MVP. And it worked, which says we have a weakness in defending the run.

Don't expect our defense to continue to hold teams to 10 points when teams use ALL the players they have and our D is tired from our offense having 3 and outs almost every possession.
Chris Brown only played the 1st half. You're getting a little ahead of yourself here. We lost ONE game. That's it, just one. And not only that, but we were beaten by one of the elite teams in the AFC. Our D held the MVP who had the highest passer rating in the league last year to a carreer low 73 yards. It's an insult to this team to say that was all because Tenn didn't use McNair. Maybe our D didn't let them!

Turnovers, penalties, turnovers and more penalties. That's why we lost. Offensive cohesion, the coaches, the FO, whatever....none of it matters when you don't hang on to the ball and you spend the game giving up free yards.
 
CanadaPhinsFan said:
Turnovers, penalties, turnovers and more penalties. That's why we lost. Offensive cohesion, the coaches, the FO, whatever....none of it matters when you don't hang on to the ball and you spend the game giving up free yards.
And how much of those things did you see from NE, KC, and Denver in their 1st game of the year?
 
How do we compare with Indy, New England, and KC?

Well let's see......

New England has 70% of their cap invested in offense.

KC has the worst defense in the league and I would imagine that their cap investment is close to that of New England.

Indianapolis has ONE player on offense accounting for over 10% of their total cap.

Why would you even attempt to compare our offense to theirs?

A more apt comparison would be to that of the Baltimore Ravens who are just as salary cap heavy on defense as we are. So why don't you go ahead and say that Kyle Boller is not the answer for the Ravens? I mean, they only scored three points versus a defense that ranked at the bottom of the entire league last year.




As for "designing" and "cohesion" as it pertains to offense.....Those are randomly used terms by people who do not possess the knowledge to pass judgement.

Norv didn't "design" this offense. His philosophy of offense has been run for over 30 years. Dan Fouts, Charlie Joiner, Chuck Muncie, and Kellen Winslow sound familiar? They were the innovators of this style. Norv Turner is running Don Coryell's offense. Would that make Norv incompetent in your eyes?

What you have witnessed is a game plan. A league leading team defense that game planned the Miami Dolphins and the short comings of our running game and Jay Fiedler. We threw short because our offense has been decimated by lack of investment and a quitter. We threw short because that is what we had game planned for zone flooding. We threw short because that is what the defense was giving us.

What you fail to realize is that Jay Fiedler's strong point is his ability to read the zones. That's why he has survived in this league. What defenses have chosen to do against Jay is to flood the zones. With a lack of accuracy and arm strength Jay cannot force a ball in deep. Most Quarterbacks can't do it neither. The result for Jay is a throw away out of bounds or a dump off. He usually doesn't make mistakes but he cannot defeat a team with his arm. In other words, he worked this league for years with his brain.

We used the short passing game out of neccessity. Presently Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Trent Green are using the short passing game to set up the deep pass you are looking for. They have earned the respect of defensive coordinators forcing their defense to cover the slant, curl, or out route.

Could our new QB and his receivers have more than a half to earn that same respect?
 
As far as the short passing game I guess you didn't watch the NE/Indy game. NE is notorious for the short passing stuff with the occasional long ball. If you come out with the short stuff you force the D to come up and cover that which in turn opens the long ball. I am telling you wait until Feeley and Gordon and Booker get a good hold on this O and see what happens. Booker is still new to the system and Gordon was only with us for one practice which led to him running the wrong route and a Feeley INT returned for a TD. Just think if they had brought in a totally new system with the loss of the players we brought in we would be in big trouble.
 
shouright said:
And how much of those things did you see from NE, KC, and Denver in their 1st game of the year?
NE barely escaped with a win. Their D looked awful (but the Colts O can do that to you). KC got run all over by DEN, who also gave up a bunch of yards and points to KC.

To me it doesn't matter how the other teams looked. All that matters is our team. KC isn't a contender until they get something that resembles a D. NE has a tough hill to climb. It's not easy being the defending SB champs. Teams hardly ever repeat. I'm still not sold on DEN. It was one game. Just as we on ly lost one game. This is why we play all 16.
 
ZOD said:
A more apt comparison would be to that of the Baltimore Ravens who are just as salary cap heavy on defense as we are. So why don't you go ahead and say that Kyle Boller is not the answer for the Ravens? I mean, they only scored three points versus a defense that ranked at the bottom of the entire league last year.

I'll say it. Kyle Boller sucks. That offense is totally dependent on Jamal Lewis. Playing against a defense that he ran for like 500 yards against last year in 2 games, and what did he have yesterday, 20 carries for 57 yards? No wonder Baltimore got creamed. Just think what will happen to that offense if he has to miss time when his drug trial rolls around.
 
DolphinzD said:
I'll say it. Kyle Boller sucks. That offense is totally dependent on Jamal Lewis. Playing against a defense that he ran for like 500 yards against last year in 2 games, and what did he have yesterday, 20 carries for 57 yards? No wonder Baltimore got creamed. Just think what will happen to that offense if he has to miss time when his drug trial rolls around.

Well there you go. At least we're not alone. Our drug trial has already come around....................

And we were convicted. :D
 
shouright said:
OK -- I've now watched a full weekend of NFL football, including our game, and here's why we're doomed this year:

1) We have absolutely no cohesion on offense. Watching the Chiefs versus the Broncos and Indy versus NE should show you that. Part of the reason is that we have an offensive coordinator who is teaching a playbook he didn't design. Everybody knows that cohesion on offense develops in PRACTICE, not in games (think Bill Walsh).

When you have an offensive coordinator who's being forced to teach plays he didn't design, your practices can't possibly be as effective as when your OC is teaching his own plays -- the players have more familiarity with the playbook than the coordinator! How can that be a good scenario?

And don't think Ricky's walking out had nothing to do with that. He was being cast in the role of the battering ram on an offense that was clearly going nowhere. I'm sure it looked like the blind leading the blind during the mini-camps (especially with 4 new offensive linemen out there), and when you're the guy who's gonna feel the pain the most (Ricky), you either want out or you want more money to make the pain WORTH something.

The problem here is that Wannstedt has effectively made himself the defensive AND offensive coordinator. He's made it so that the power he has over the offensive philosophy and play-calling is totally out of proportion with his offensive knowledge base. It's like the bagboy running the cash register.

And of course this is problem #1, and it all stems from DW's anxiety and his fear of being fired during or after the "do or die" year Huizenga has given him (which of course was a mistake).

2) We have no leaders and no coach who knows how to develop them. Mike Shanahan called a play last night where Jake Plummer ran a designed QB keeper around the end for a 1st down in a clutch situation. When plays like that are successful, leaders are developed. The team will look up to Plummer as a leader when he consistently makes plays like those, and Shanahan is smart enough to know that (unlike DW).

We not only have no leaders, we have no coach who knows how to develop them. Do you honestly think DW knows how to handle Feeley? Do you think he'll put him in position to become a leader on offense? I don't, and when you have no leaders, you have no team. There has never been a Super Bowl winning team that had no leaders. And even if you think Zach and JT are good leaders (which I don't), that's still only one side of the ball.

3) We're WAY too new on offense. Look at the Chiefs and NE by contrast. They're both using offensive schemes they've used for at least the past 3 or 4 years, and they still have the players executing them that they've had all along. When McIntosh is healthy, we'll have EIGHT new players on offense. There's no way you can develop cohesion with that in one season. We might get SOME cohesion by the end of the season, but we'll be NOWHERE NEAR as good as teams like NE, KC, Denver, Indy, and Tennessee. Let's be honest here.

4) The best teams in the AFC have strengths that make us have poor matchups against them. When Chris Brown runs for 100 yards in a half against us, what do you think the CHIEFS are gonna do? What do you think the BRONCOS are gonna do? These are teams with DOMINANT offensive lines and DOMINANT running backs. We stand no chance against those teams -- they'll have their way with us, and we'll have no answer because we can't score (see above). Again, let's be honest.

You might be thinking the team will develop over the course of the year and eventually be pretty good. That may happen. But when you look at the teams we have to get through to get anywhere and think about what they have going on, it's clear we're headed nowhere this year. With all the newness on offense, even the best coaching staff in the world would get this team only to 10-6/11-5.

What do you think DW and company are gonna do with it? :shakeno:

:rofl4: :blah: :crazy:
 
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