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hi new to the forum, i read through often and think this is a great place with lots of dedicated and cool fans. my favorite player of course is Marino, and I remember watching him come onto the field during the Monday Night game his rookie season. i was about 12 years old and it always seemed the Raiders kicked our butts back then, so I was pretty excited to see Marino step up. i remember that I couldn't sleep because I kept thinking how cool it was to have a quarterback who could throw, since Woodley sucked.
anyway, on to my post. i have noticed a lot of discussion about receivers and their 40 times. i did a search and couldn't find anything directly focused on the information I would like to chat about. which is, i don't think 40 times are the end all criteria for football players, but do understand that speed is important and the 40 time is one criteria we used to judge football player ability. after reading several posts it seems that most people agree here, 40 times tell you something but may also be misleading. so onto my point, which is that the 10 yard dash is probably a better indicator of the speed required by a football player. i also think the 3 cone drill is good for quickness and burst.
when i watched the espn draft show tonight all I heard was m. hoge talking trash about m. williams (USC receiver). anyway, he repeated how "slow" williams was and how he lacked "suddeness". so i looked up on the war room draft page and saw some interesting stuff on the top wide out's 40-20-10 yard dash times.
10 20 40yd times 3 cone drill (seconds)
M. williams 1.60 2.67 4.58 6.98
T. willamson 1.58 2.57 4.32 6.99
B. edwards NA NA 4.45 6.87
all of this confirmed by bias in the draft. while m. williams is only moderately fast by 40 yrd dash standards, hiw 10 yrd dash is essentially identical to t. williamson and you can see that williamson gains speed as he progresses. this also tends to reflect in what i have seen of williamson on tape. similar times with the 3 cone. this really refutes what meril was saying. to my suprise williams does have the speed and burst necessary, at least i believe, to make it in the nfl as a superstar.
williamson maybe good but not many guys run that wide open, full throttle all the time, and he has minimal experience with intermiate routes, because he most often ran deep. between edwards and williams i choose williams because he has the more consistent track record and really does offer massive matchup problems. there is not any cornerback big enough to guard him in the red zone and he does have enough quickness and "mojo" to get open regulargly. similarly, his average yd. per catch was around 14 yrds per catch for two years, which is about 10 yrds of course.
anyway, i don't want to come across as some know it all because i don't and i don't know if we should pick him with the #2. i woudl rather trade down but i just wanted to provide some cool info that suggests williams might not be fully understood.
take care and go fins
downfield
anyway, on to my post. i have noticed a lot of discussion about receivers and their 40 times. i did a search and couldn't find anything directly focused on the information I would like to chat about. which is, i don't think 40 times are the end all criteria for football players, but do understand that speed is important and the 40 time is one criteria we used to judge football player ability. after reading several posts it seems that most people agree here, 40 times tell you something but may also be misleading. so onto my point, which is that the 10 yard dash is probably a better indicator of the speed required by a football player. i also think the 3 cone drill is good for quickness and burst.
when i watched the espn draft show tonight all I heard was m. hoge talking trash about m. williams (USC receiver). anyway, he repeated how "slow" williams was and how he lacked "suddeness". so i looked up on the war room draft page and saw some interesting stuff on the top wide out's 40-20-10 yard dash times.
10 20 40yd times 3 cone drill (seconds)
M. williams 1.60 2.67 4.58 6.98
T. willamson 1.58 2.57 4.32 6.99
B. edwards NA NA 4.45 6.87
all of this confirmed by bias in the draft. while m. williams is only moderately fast by 40 yrd dash standards, hiw 10 yrd dash is essentially identical to t. williamson and you can see that williamson gains speed as he progresses. this also tends to reflect in what i have seen of williamson on tape. similar times with the 3 cone. this really refutes what meril was saying. to my suprise williams does have the speed and burst necessary, at least i believe, to make it in the nfl as a superstar.
williamson maybe good but not many guys run that wide open, full throttle all the time, and he has minimal experience with intermiate routes, because he most often ran deep. between edwards and williams i choose williams because he has the more consistent track record and really does offer massive matchup problems. there is not any cornerback big enough to guard him in the red zone and he does have enough quickness and "mojo" to get open regulargly. similarly, his average yd. per catch was around 14 yrds per catch for two years, which is about 10 yrds of course.
anyway, i don't want to come across as some know it all because i don't and i don't know if we should pick him with the #2. i woudl rather trade down but i just wanted to provide some cool info that suggests williams might not be fully understood.
take care and go fins
downfield
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