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Red Zone Specialist WR

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As the NFL gets more specialized, it's kind of amazing to me that you don't see teams with real red zone specialist WRs. By that I mean guys who are 6'9" or 6'10" with 38-40 inch vertical jumps who could take advantage of the more restrictive pass interference rules and dominate 5'10" DBs in confined areas. While those specs may seem hard to find, there are a lot of great athletes who never really made it in the NBA (or probably won't). A few examples:

Marcus Haislip -- 6-10, 230. 40-inch vertical. Bench presses 400 lbs. Lacks great basketball skills but has great athleticism and good hand-eye coordination. Was a 1st round pick of the Bucks in 2002, but has bounced around on 10-day contracts in recent years.

Mike Bell -- 6'9", 210. 40-inch vertical. Went undrafted this past year out of FAU.

Kedrick Brown -- 6'8", 222. Reportedly has a 45-inch vertical. 1st round pick of Celts in 2001, but has never really made it.

Jerome Moiso -- 6'10", 260. 38-inch vertical. 1st round pick of Celts in 2000, but has floated around the league.

Almost every year, a player or two comes out of college who fits this basic description.

In a league where a long-snapper like Ed Perry can still around for a decade based on a single skill, you'd think there'd be room for someone who could be so potentially dangerous as a redzone receiver on lobs and high passes int he back of the endzone. With Antonio Gates and Tony Gonzalez, the NFL is starting to realize the benefits of an NBA background and basketball skills. I'm not suggesting that guys like these would become regular receivers between the 20s, but how would most NFL teams match up with this. When you consider their reach, they'd have a 2 foot height advantage over most corners and safeties. And they could also jump higher than most. They are accustomed to catching passes, alley-oops, etc. And the defensive contact rules are now so strict that there is little for a defender to do.

Guys like these could probably also add something on special teams, e.g., FG block teams.

Just a thought . . .
 
man i have never thought of that .... that is a real good idea
i think i am going to do that on madden and create a guy like that haha..............
 
Its a good point. I guess thats the reason Matt Jones (the qb/wr from Arkansas) got drafter so high. I think because of his height, and speed they will utilize him in that fashion. If it's sussesful, then watch many tall guys who can catch go high in next years draft.
 
Didn't the Jets used to use that one tall CB they had whose name I forget on their hail mary attempts?
 
its the physicality of football though, compared to bball. most of these guys have never played football, and 6ft 8 250 sounds good, but at that height thats frail, unless your going to throw someone out at wr. heck look at gates in SD. in theory it is a great idea if you could carry a roster spot for such a specialist, wouldnt hurt on kick blocking attempts either
 
Yeah, Matt Jones comes immediately to mind. Another one is Tony Gonzales. The guy is big, physical and can jump...not to mention great hands. He led the league in receptions last year I think and is always a threat. In fact, tonight, he had a smaller defender draped all over him but was able to outmuscle him and jump up and snatch the ball for a TD.

I think the reason you don't see more of that is because roster space is so limited. You are talking about giving up a skill position roster spot to a guy who basically can only help you when you are in the red zone. Those big guys can't go over the middle of the field. The safeties in this league would break them in half. Most taller receivers aren't as fast ( see Oronde Gadsen ) so they really only serve one purpose. Guys like Perry serve really only one purpose as well but long snapping also has the added job of blocking. Plus, if really needed, Perry could line up as a receiver. He has better hands than most give him credit for.
 
the jets used marcus coleman, that safety for tha texans, but i think he was only 6'2"
 
Fineas said:
As the NFL gets more specialized, it's kind of amazing to me that you don't see teams with real red zone specialist WRs. By that I mean guys who are 6'9" or 6'10" with 38-40 inch vertical jumps who could take advantage of the more restrictive pass interference rules and dominate 5'10" DBs in confined areas. While those specs may seem hard to find, there are a lot of great athletes who never really made it in the NBA (or probably won't). A few examples:

Marcus Haislip -- 6-10, 230. 40-inch vertical. Bench presses 400 lbs. Lacks great basketball skills but has great athleticism and good hand-eye coordination. Was a 1st round pick of the Bucks in 2002, but has bounced around on 10-day contracts in recent years.

Mike Bell -- 6'9", 210. 40-inch vertical. Went undrafted this past year out of FAU.

Kedrick Brown -- 6'8", 222. Reportedly has a 45-inch vertical. 1st round pick of Celts in 2001, but has never really made it.

Jerome Moiso -- 6'10", 260. 38-inch vertical. 1st round pick of Celts in 2000, but has floated around the league.

Almost every year, a player or two comes out of college who fits this basic description.

In a league where a long-snapper like Ed Perry can still around for a decade based on a single skill, you'd think there'd be room for someone who could be so potentially dangerous as a redzone receiver on lobs and high passes int he back of the endzone. With Antonio Gates and Tony Gonzalez, the NFL is starting to realize the benefits of an NBA background and basketball skills. I'm not suggesting that guys like these would become regular receivers between the 20s, but how would most NFL teams match up with this. When you consider their reach, they'd have a 2 foot height advantage over most corners and safeties. And they could also jump higher than most. They are accustomed to catching passes, alley-oops, etc. And the defensive contact rules are now so strict that there is little for a defender to do.

Guys like these could probably also add something on special teams, e.g., FG block teams.

Just a thought . . .

we used the hieght advantage thing against the pats with derrius thompson against troy brown. immagine if we have a 6'10 WR with a 40 inch vertical. it would be amazing.
 
Samphin said:
I think the reason you don't see more of that is because roster space is so limited. You are talking about giving up a skill position roster spot to a guy who basically can only help you when you are in the red zone. Those big guys can't go over the middle of the field. The safeties in this league would break them in half. Most taller receivers aren't as fast ( see Oronde Gadsen ) so they really only serve one purpose. Guys like Perry serve really only one purpose as well but long snapping also has the added job of blocking. Plus, if really needed, Perry could line up as a receiver. He has better hands than most give him credit for.

Sure, roster space is limited, but there are so many specialists who do things that are important, but not nearly as important as scoring in the red zone. For most teams, that is the most difficult thing to do. Look at how many teams keep guys around basically because they are long snappers, or FG placement holders (they play other positions, but some guys stick because of it), or even return guys (who don't really play any regular position very well). In the red zone, they never have to go over the middle of the field or even really be hit.
 
The real problem is that most of us would still rather we throw it up to chambers/booker/boston. It would take a lot for a guy like that to earn the right to be in there.
 
We have one on this board

fear-the-d said:
we used the hieght advantage thing against the pats with derrius thompson against troy brown. immagine if we have a 6'10 WR with a 40 inch vertical. it would be amazing.

Although he's much too introverted and humble to admit it, inFins would fill the bill perfectly. But he would not come cheap. He does, after all, have his lifestyle in Naples to maintain.
 
we have a guy i dotn remember his name
He has a 45 inch vertical
Can make the best one handed back of the endzone catches
Is 210 lbs

o wait, its Chris Chambers
 
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