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Revis responds to Vontae Davis best cornerbacks comment.

I don't think it's fair to say Cromartie blows, but he's certainly nowhere near the player Revis is. He'd start for many if not most teams and be the #1 corner on a few, but the Dolphins just aren't one of those teams.

Maybe that's harsh. But he's really not that good. Had that one fluke season. Sure he has decent ball skills, and usually makes things happen once the ball in his hands. But he gets consistently beat and makes Sean Smith look like Ray Lewis as far as tackling and physicality goes... I don't like corners who get consistently beat. I'll take dropped picks over bad coverage all day everyday.
 
Maybe when the Jets start beating us on a regular basis they can tell the Dolphins what they have to work on.
The Jets have to rely on other teams beating us to get in the playoffs, cause they sure haven't been doing it much.
(yes, you're darn right I'm a proud Homer!)

The Jets have to beat the Dolphins? What, has our Super Bowl road ended in Miami these last two years? I didn't think so.

How about you worry about getting to .500, then trying the make the playoffs, then trying to win a playoff game (I know, it's been a while). Then the Jets will worry about beating the Dolphins. Until then, we'll spend our offseasons worrying about the Patriots, Steelers, and Colts.
 
The Jets have to beat the Dolphins? What, has our Super Bowl road ended in Miami these last two years? I didn't think so.

How about you worry about getting to .500, then trying the make the playoffs, then trying to win a playoff game (I know, it's been a while). Then the Jets will worry about beating the Dolphins. Until then, we'll spend our offseasons worrying about the Patriots, Steelers, and Colts.

problem is what paet you going to worrie about ? wheather or not if the colts ,steelers ,chargers, or another team going to let you beat them on purpose so you guys can make it into the playoffs ? because if it wasnt for the colts letting you all win a game where it didnt matter to them you guys would have been one year short of makin it into the playoffs.
 
Here you go Dolphin fans, two links:

PFF Charting Project: Top 10 Corners
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2011/best-cornerback-charting-stats-2010

PFF Charting Project: Bottom 10 Corners
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2011/worst-cornerback-charting-stats-2010

Success rates for corners last year (PFF success rate is defined as " the percentage of passes that don't manage to get at least 45 percent of needed yards on first down, 60 percent of needed yards on second down, or 100 percent of needed yards on third down"):

1. Revis (70%)
6. Smith (63%)
9. Cromartie (63%)
65. Davis (47%)

This isn't an end-all-be-all for cornerback evaluation, far from it. I just posted it to show that Cromartie was way better last year than almost anyone has given him credit for. They just remember the penalties against the Ravens in Week 1, and what his reputation has been in the past.

If you want to go by YPA:

Revis: 5.6 yards (11)
Cromartie: 6.0 yards (16)
Smith: 6.7 yards (29)
Davis: 7.9 yards (53)

By any measurement you want to use, Cromartie was a very good to excellent corner last year.

*Keep in mind when looking at the numbers, Revis and Davis were covering 1's, Cromartie and Smith were covering 2's (Cromartie spent 3.5 games covering 1's while Revis was injured).
 
Maybe that's harsh. But he's really not that good. Had that one fluke season. Sure he has decent ball skills, and usually makes things happen once the ball in his hands. But he gets consistently beat and makes Sean Smith look like Ray Lewis as far as tackling and physicality goes... I don't like corners who get consistently beat. I'll take dropped picks over bad coverage all day everyday.

As would I. With Cromartie, his entire problem is in his head. He's one of the most physically gifted corners in the game, but he only gets up for top competition and his concentration and effort are all over the place. You can't count on him.

It's funny because in some superficial ways, Cromartie and Smith are actually a lot alike. Both are tall for a corner. Cromartie is 6'2 and Smith is 6034 (or 6 foot 3 and a third inches). Both have long arms. Cromartie's are 33 inches and Smith's are a freakish 34 and 5/8th inches (that's a good arm length for an offensive lineman). Both left school early. Both have good speed (I use nfldraftscout for all my timed numbers, btw), especially when you factor in their size (Cromartie -- 4.47 -- is better maintaining his top speed but Smith -- 4.50 -- is actually quicker off the line). Cromartie is the superior all around athlete, though. He bested Smith is most of the agility and explosion drills outside of the three cone drill. Neither are particularly good tacklers. Both have shown good ball skills (though I have to give the edge to Cromartie given what happened with Smith last season).

The difference is the mentality. Smith has said in various interviews that he came into the league as a ****y and immature kid. A guy who always started wherever he went, who knew he was talented and therefore knew he could get away with things. It took him getting benched to start taking things more seriously -- to feel the pain of the team having success without him -- and that really changed everything for him. Some guys don't react well to getting benched (see: Young, Vince), but Smith did. He decided he willing to do whatever it took to get back on the field and now his mind is in the right place. Which is scary, given his ability.

Cromartie had a lot of the same issues coming into the league... but the difference is he still has them. He's still immature. I'm sure people have sat him down and tried to get through to him, but whatever they've said it hasn't taken. He'll always get by because he's so gifted but in retrospect I bet the Jets wished they had tried to sign Jonathan Joseph instead of going after Nnamdi. Dealing with Cromartie has got to be a pain in the *** and as we know from dealing with Ted Ginn, when a guy on your team consistently shies away from contact it can have a poisonous effect on the rest of the team.

Now in Cromartie's defense, he's just not very bright. Never has been. Never will be (I believe he scored a 12 on the Wonderlic). Whereas Smith really is -- it's plain from just listening to him. He's so smart it's sometimes almost to his detriment in that he'll sort of psyche himself out. But there's no doubt to me which is the superior player right now and going forward.

Cromartie, in my view, is on the way to being another DeAngelo Hall -- a highlight reel player who nonetheless gets you beat with his stupidity and inconsistency.
 
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There's no denying that Revis is right based on past performance, but I LOVE the confidence from Vontae! That's the type of attitude you love for your players to have, especially at CB.
 
Having a strong pass rush and QB pressure has a huge effect on the corners statistics. It is not always about the one on one match up.
I am not sure how the Fins and Jets compare in that category in 2010.
I would say that Vontae and Revis are equally talented and have the respect of the league. Smith needs to hang on to some of those dropped interceptions and return a couple for touch downs. That will boost his stock. I think Smith is better than Cro in run support.
 
vontae davis is the best tackling cb in the league. i know this much.
 
vontae davis is the best tackling cb in the league. i know this much.

Again, reputation vs. reality.

Missed tackles 2008-2010 (scroll down to the DB section)

Davis is a physical player that isn't afraid to stick his nose in there, but that doesn't make him a good tackler. For my money, Champ Bailey remains the best tackling corner in football.
 
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