Revisited - Joey's Not Part of the Inner Circle!

[Pericles349]

You guys remember that thread a few days ago where someone mentioned that Joey wasn't part of the "inner circle" because during TD celebrations he looked out of place with none of the receivers or TE's looking for him to high five? Well, I was one of those that agreed and I think I might have just found some more evidence to strengthn the case. This is a quote from the Sun Sentinel:


"With no disrespect toward quarterback Joey Harrington, Marty Booker, McMichael and Chambers all agreed that Culpepper will be their quarterback of the future.

"Definitely, there's no doubt in my mind," Chambers said. "

How disheartening must it be for you as the QB of the team, the leader of the team, to hear your teamates tell the media that you are not their future, especially after having won two difficult games? Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing Joey's aptitude, I'm just saying that if they truly believed in him, they would not say those things. And, if they don't believe in him, how can he honestly be part of the "inner circle"? Are any of you guys great friends with a co-worker or classmate who lets you down and you have no trust in? Are you great friends with someone who you depend on to do his job in order for you to do yours correctly, but yet he doesn't do it and you just don't see him as part of your company's/team's future?

 

[ckparrothead]

This is just people trying to stir stuff up. Saban has gone out publicly saying that Daunte is our guy of the future. Of course the players are going to follow suit.

Joey knew what he was when he came into this thing and he's acknowledged that. In his most recent interview he said it doesn't matter, he feels he's earned the respect of the players (which he has), and he could be back to the bench as early as next week and it won't matter because he came here to work hard and be the backup.

 

[Jnaledu3]

Yeah I read that. I knew someone on here would make a thread about it.

The truth is.. what are they supposed to say? "No, Daunte is not the future."

Players are trained to always give the positive answer. Im sure at one point they all have said the AJ Feeley was the future as well.

 

[Pericles349]

Yeah I read that. I knew someone on here would make a thread about it.

The truth is.. what are they supposed to say? "No, Daunte is not the future."

Players are trained to always give the positive answer. Im sure at one point they all have said the AJ Feeley was the future as well.

I really don't recall that, no one in their right mind would have said that...

It's just like with Jay Fiedler, they all talked about his positives (strength, determination, motivation, etc) but nobody ever said that he was the QB of the future... nobody.

 

[Redneck Friend]

i believe it!! i didnt then, but i do now.

this morning, in the sun sentinel, mcmike, booker and
chambers [the 3 stooges] all came out and said duante
should be out there and he IS the qb of the future in
miami. SWELL!!!

based on what? his glorious td to sack ratio [1-21]?

his uncanny ability to move in the pocket?

all the games he has won in miami?

could racism be involved here?? makes ya wonder,
because duante just plain STANK on EVERY level!

 

[Jnaledu3]

I really don't recall that, no one in their right mind would have said that...

It's just like with Jay Fiedler, they all talked about his positives (strength, determination, motivation, etc) but nobody ever said that he was the QB of the future... nobody.

A lot of people were not of the right mind when AJ Feeley was acquired. That includes most of the people on this board.

 

[emocomputerjock]

You guys remember that thread a few days ago where someone mentioned that Joey wasn't part of the "inner circle" because during TD celebrations he looked out of place with none of the receivers or TE's looking for him to high five? Well, I was one of those that agreed and I think I might have just found some more evidence to strengthn the case. This is a quote from the Sun Sentinel:


"With no disrespect toward quarterback Joey Harrington, Marty Booker, McMichael and Chambers all agreed that Culpepper will be their quarterback of the future.

"Definitely, there's no doubt in my mind," Chambers said. "

How disheartening must it be for you as the QB of the team, the leader of the team, to hear your teamates tell the media that you are not their future, especially after having won two difficult games? Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing Joey's aptitude, I'm just saying that if they truly believed in him, they would not say those things. And, if they don't believe in him, how can he honestly be part of the "inner circle"? Are any of you guys great friends with a co-worker or classmate who lets you down and you have no trust in? Are you great friends with someone who you depend on to do his job in order for you to do your great, but yet he doesn't do it and you just don't see him as part of your company's/team's future?

There's multiple ways of looking at it. One way is to say that the recievers have no faith in Joey, and they're hanging him out to dry. That brings up the question of, "what were Joey's expectations on coming to Miami?"

When Joey came here, he knew he was the number two guy. He came here BECAUSE he was going to the number two guy. He knew that he'd be on a short term contract, and with Culpepper's injury he'd get a chance to showcase what he has. This entire arragement benefitted both us and Joey. We got a guy with starting experience to back up our injured, legitimate number 1 quarterback, and he'd get the opportunity to get out of Detroit, and if he played well enough he'd likely get traded to another team for a draft pick higher than the 6(5th) we got him for. He got a fresh start, we got a backup QB and possible draft picks later. Everyone knew that was the case coming into the season, and I don't think it has any effect on how Joey goes out there and games.

Given that Joey was meant to be a transitional backup for the Dolphins all along, I don't think it's entirely out of line for the recievers to say that Culpepper is still the legitimate number 1 for the Dolphins. Everyone was (and is) hoping that Joey all of a sudden breaks out and puts up Peyton Manning type numbers, but he's not all that far removed from the Joey Harrington he's always been. There's signs of some improvement, but if this is as far as it goes, he's never going to be the top-notch QB that will lead us to a Superbowl. I've still got his back, but I'm still looking towards the dynasty at the end of the line.

 

[Stitches]

i believe it!! i didnt then, but i do now.

this morning, in the sun sentinel, mcmike, booker and
chambers [the 3 stooges] all came out and said duante
should be out there and he IS the qb of the future in
miami. SWELL!!!

based on what? his glorious td to sack ratio [1-21]?

his uncanny ability to move in the pocket?

all the games he has won in miami?

could racism be involved here?? makes ya wonder,
because duante just plain STANK on EVERY level!

Culpepper has at least 2 TDs by the way.

 

[ckparrothead]

Good lord. It's almost as if the guy HASN'T played at a pro bowl level for most of his career, almost as if the guy doesn't have the highest accuracy percentage of any QB over 1,000 passes period.

I love the "what have you done for me in Miami" line with regards to Daunte Culpepper and yet it's somehow irrelevant with regards to Joey Harrington. And now the icing on the cake, ignorantly accusing the skill position players of being racists for preferring a guy that has been to pro bowls and has loads of talent over a guy that has been a goat his entire career, is an inaccurate passer, and has never been to the playoffs.

 

[GreenMts]

Joey is still the backup. Rarely is a back-up part of the inner circle. DC was brought here to be the teams future - that hasn't changed. Out of loyalty and for the sake of party line discipline the starters must answer questions this way. If they didn't we would have a a distraction. The last thing this team needs is distraction (like a qb controversy) right now.

Granted, if we win even 5 of the last 7 games, the off season will be interesting. Saban will have to look at DC and JH very carefully. The #1 spot will be up for grabs. If DC will ever return to 100% is unknown. Joey could beat him out.

 

[Jnaledu3]

Good lord. It's almost as if the guy HASN'T played at a pro bowl level for most of his career, almost as if the guy doesn't have the highest accuracy percentage of any QB over 1,000 passes period.

I love the "what have you done for me in Miami" line with regards to Daunte Culpepper and yet it's somehow irrelevant with regards to Joey Harrington. And now the icing on the cake, ignorantly accusing the skill position players of being racists for preferring a guy that has been to pro bowls and has loads of talent over a guy that has been a goat his entire career, is an inaccurate passer, and has never been to the playoffs.

First of all, Im not thrilled about either JH or DC.

But you have to admit, the offense has been a lot more productive with JH. The guy is continuing to improve and the team is winning.

And I dont care what DC did 2 years ago in Minnesota. He was having a bad year in 2005. He comes back from the injury and continues to play like his 2005 self. That doesnt bode well for him.

If we want to judge players by what they have done several seasons ago, David Boston would still be on the team.

 

[CrunchTime]

Dont forget that CPep and the WRs and RBs spent a lot of time together bonding in the preseason including several group visits to watch the Heat.

Joey did not have the opportunity to do that.

Joey has to earn the respect of his teammates and that hasnt happened yet but I think he will.

 

[Stitches]

First of all, Im not thrilled about either JH or DC.

But you have to admit, the offense has been a lot more productive with JH. The guy is continuing to improve and the team is winning.

And I dont care what DC did 2 years ago in Minnesota. He was having a bad year in 2005. He comes back from the injury and continues to play like his 2005 self. That doesnt bode well for him.

If we want to judge players by what they have done several seasons ago, David Boston would still be on the team.

But you have to admit, the team as a whole is improving and been more productive, and that is why we are winning. It's not all dependent on Joey improving, because his improvements from week to week have been marginal.

 

[Avigatorx]

I refuse to take sides here.

I am behind Joey 100%

I am behind DC 100%

DC will in all likelyhood be our starter next season, unless joey turns into peyton manning in our last 7 games.

Neither guy sucks, both are lightyears ahead of Frerotte, Sage, Feely, Fiedler......

Lets just keep winning:)

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

First of all, Im not thrilled about either JH or DC.

But you have to admit, the offense has been a lot more productive with JH. The guy is continuing to improve and the team is winning.

And I dont care what DC did 2 years ago in Minnesota. He was having a bad year in 2005. He comes back from the injury and continues to play like his 2005 self. That doesnt bode well for him.

If we want to judge players by what they have done several seasons ago, David Boston would still be on the team.

You have to admit that even with Joey Harrington in the offense, the offense did not become more productive until they put McIntosh at left tackle and Shelton at right guard.