Yep, they're going to have to play Flynn to cover their asses for awhile. Wilson's going to be the better QB. I don't mind seeing a team hemorrhage money at the QB position when all they had before the gaping hole that is Tavaris Jackson, but they should let Wilson win the starter's job and admit Flynn is just a high priced backup.
Rgiii vs luck vs tannehill vs weeden
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Teams never do that it its a big reason why I was totally against signing Flynn. If we had signed him to that same contract and drafted a QB, the chances of the rookie getting to start even if he proves he is worthy of starting are almost non existant.
ckparrothead
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My honest opinion was:
1. Andrew Luck
2. Ryan Tannehill
3. Robert Griffin
4. Brandon Weeden
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1. Andrew Luck
2. Ryan Tannehill
3. Robert Griffin
4. Brandon Weeden
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Way early - way too soon - but the top three look to have a bright future - BTW the Eagles could not protect Vick (200 pds) and that was overlooked and cannot be overstated - whether Peyton or Brady it is the secret to any Colour QB - Protection - don't judge a QB solely based on their weaponery
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imo that very short pass that went to donald brown where he took it 60+ yards to the house was all brown take that away and give tanny the touch down that was taken away and we will have a pretty close race between tanny and luck.
Well in that case why not give Luck a TD for the perfect 30yd strike he threw to get the ball to the 1yd line? If you watched both games, and are honest with yourself, you'd agree that Luck looked better. He completed 10/16. 3 were dropped. 2 were throw aways. It WAS the Rams, but he looked
like hes been playing in the NFL for 5 yrs already
ckparrothead
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For whatever it's worth, until Andrew Luck put on his "how to be good at football" clinic yesterday, Ryan Tannehill had the highest passer rating of any quarterback in preseason.
He's now outperformed his QB competition in two consecutive game-like situations. He clearly outperformed everyone during the scrimmage last week and he clearly outperformed everyone during the preseason this week. I'm sure some people will focus on the fact he did it on and against 2nd stringers, but Matt Moore also had his turn with the 2nd stringers this week against the Bucs and he went 1 for 3 for 21 yards and an INT. That 21 yard gain was just a simple slant that should have gained 10 yards, but Roberto Wallace used his physical superiority to bust a tackle and break open a nice 21 yard gain...one of the things I find most intriguing about him.
It's time for Ryan to get bumped up in the rotation. If they're not ready to have him outright get the reps with the 1's in next week's preseason game, then they ought to at least have he and Moore rotate series until the Panthers take their 1's off the field.
He's now outperformed his QB competition in two consecutive game-like situations. He clearly outperformed everyone during the scrimmage last week and he clearly outperformed everyone during the preseason this week. I'm sure some people will focus on the fact he did it on and against 2nd stringers, but Matt Moore also had his turn with the 2nd stringers this week against the Bucs and he went 1 for 3 for 21 yards and an INT. That 21 yard gain was just a simple slant that should have gained 10 yards, but Roberto Wallace used his physical superiority to bust a tackle and break open a nice 21 yard gain...one of the things I find most intriguing about him.
It's time for Ryan to get bumped up in the rotation. If they're not ready to have him outright get the reps with the 1's in next week's preseason game, then they ought to at least have he and Moore rotate series until the Panthers take their 1's off the field.
I am German, so I thought veeeery long whether to post this or not... Before I do, let me get one thing straight: I don't want to hurt someone's feelings with this post, I am just trying to be as objective as I can based on the things I've observed the last 20 years, either by playing lots of sports (soccer, basketball, tennis) or by watching even more sports (just about everything...)
When all is said and done, I am trying to give you an answer why black QBs aren't as successful in football as white QBs. For me it's logical but I'm of course open to discussion. I believe that black people do have superior athletic abilities compared to white people. This is a general statement and there are exceptions of course but as a whole I think this statement is valid. I think it's the same with QBs: black QBs are GENERALLY athletically superior to white QBs. And that's where the trouble begins: because of that black QBs rely more on their athleticism than on their brain. They are very successful in high school, modestly successful in college but hardly successful in the pros. They don't have to think about finding the open man in high school because it's already there. And if not, they just outrun anybody else. This is more difficult to do in college and it's almost impossible in the pros. But if you do that from the very beginning of your career, it's very difficult to adapt to using the brain more often at the later stages.
Don't know if this works for you or if it serves as a starting point... Again, I'd like to say that I am no racist at all. I've made friends with people from lots of places in the world over the years, one of my best friend is gay, another good friend is black. So, please feel free to comment but keep in mind: I'm being as neutral as it gets.
When all is said and done, I am trying to give you an answer why black QBs aren't as successful in football as white QBs. For me it's logical but I'm of course open to discussion. I believe that black people do have superior athletic abilities compared to white people. This is a general statement and there are exceptions of course but as a whole I think this statement is valid. I think it's the same with QBs: black QBs are GENERALLY athletically superior to white QBs. And that's where the trouble begins: because of that black QBs rely more on their athleticism than on their brain. They are very successful in high school, modestly successful in college but hardly successful in the pros. They don't have to think about finding the open man in high school because it's already there. And if not, they just outrun anybody else. This is more difficult to do in college and it's almost impossible in the pros. But if you do that from the very beginning of your career, it's very difficult to adapt to using the brain more often at the later stages.
Don't know if this works for you or if it serves as a starting point... Again, I'd like to say that I am no racist at all. I've made friends with people from lots of places in the world over the years, one of my best friend is gay, another good friend is black. So, please feel free to comment but keep in mind: I'm being as neutral as it gets.
3 things stood out immediately.
1. Ball placement even on the run.
2. Recognizing defensive alignments
3. Command and control.
He also appears to be getting in sync with Wallace. Cutting Johnson and going with what we have this year is not going to stunt his growth whatsoever
No doubt he should be getting the snaps with the ones this week and facing the Panthers ones. This is the best QB play we have seen in over a decade from a Dolphin QB. He has that "it" factor and the ceiling is high given his lack of experience. It's hard not to be excited about Tannehill.
1. Ball placement even on the run.
2. Recognizing defensive alignments
3. Command and control.
He also appears to be getting in sync with Wallace. Cutting Johnson and going with what we have this year is not going to stunt his growth whatsoever
No doubt he should be getting the snaps with the ones this week and facing the Panthers ones. This is the best QB play we have seen in over a decade from a Dolphin QB. He has that "it" factor and the ceiling is high given his lack of experience. It's hard not to be excited about Tannehill.
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NYPhinzFan
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I think that you are on the money. It is not that black QBs can't succeed at this level because they're "black", "mentally inferior", or anything of the such. Since Pop Warner, they have been one of the most gifted athletes on the field who could also throw the ball. We haven't had many pocket passing black QBs, who's truly mastered the position the way its meant to be played. They've played this way since high school, so naturally, they don't simply become different in the pros. Once they learn to use their athleticism as an accessory to buy time, or get out of trouble, they become more successful.
This whole "how many black QBs are in the playoffs" argument is silly. How many starting black QBs have the talent and the team currently capable of making it to the playoffs. Also statistically, there are only a few total black QBs starting, so of course the probability is much lower.
Spiff, for the record, I am black, and didn't take any offense to your post.
Thanks, NYPhinzFan...
you got the basic idea down that pretty much most black QBs are known as athletes and rely on their gifts. The big issue for them being is that they tend to go to schools that run the spread option show they never develop the ability to read a defense. For as much of an idiot/disappointment Terrell Pryor was at Ohio State, he openly stated he went there over WVU,Michigan, and Oregon was he wanted to play in a pro offense so he could become a pro. Now his issues were a bit different (he played at a very small school in PA before going to college, so while he was by far more athletic than everybody, he never really had to try hard before college, I saw the state title game his senior year, he was 50 pounds heavier than his center).
You also have guys like Vince Young, who while at Texas had an entire offense dummied down to him because he couldn't/refused to learn the system (compare his offense to that of Colt McCoy's. Colt had a much more complex offense to learn), then he came to the pros and NORM CHOW couldn't make him look good. Norm Chow can make almost anybody look good at QB and he couldn't make VY look good.
The guys who seem to have the most success are the ones who accept that eventually they won't be as athletic all of their careers or that good coaching will come up with a system to contain their natural ability. RG3 is one of those guys I feel can overcome the stereotypes of being a black QB because he is really smart and humble... he's just in a potentially toxic situation. Cam Netwon ended up going to a place with an OC who knew how to bring him up to an NFL playbook.
Another issue is a lot of the top black QBs in college tend to be short and they have to play mostly out of the shotgun to see over their OL. Russell Wilson is an exception in that sense because while at both NC State and Wisconsin he was under center (and Wisconsin had a huge OL). Wilson also, despite being a superior athlete, learnt early due to pro style coaching in college to keep his eyes down field and look for the open pass first and foremost.
Now 2 of my favorite underclassmen QBs are black; Logan Thomas and Tajh Boyd. I think both are gonna be really good in the pros with the right coaching.
I have been telling you guys since day 1, Tanne should start week 1.
1) He had the confidence level that we overlooked in drafting other QBs. Beck was happy to be on training wheels he basically said when my Dad (COACH) thinks it stime to take it off than its time.
2) Henne lacked mental capacity and balls, could be years of BP ****ing up his head where as Tanne doesn't care for that he does what he "sees" ballsy or not, risky or not.
3) He said no one wnats to be a back up so I definitely know I am int he race and will be in the race to start, he didn't say when my "coaches" think im ready ill be ready for them he said I'm ready now.
As far as comparing him to the rest, this is what i see. Luck will be a great QB if not a very good one. Tannehill will be a very good QB as well if not a good one. WHo wins a ring first will come down to their supporting cast I think.
Great QB should tear apart 2nd stringers and Tanne did just that. Now had he bombed it liek we have seen for years for the past 10 years in TC with other QBs we would say its just TC, now he balls up like he should becasue any good QB would because htey are superior then now we say oh its only 2nd stringers? C'mon now man up and admit he did what he was supposed to do which is outperform the lesser talent.
He made Priut and Wallace look like Brandon Marshall and Jennings out there. (bit of a stretch but you catch my drift)
1) He had the confidence level that we overlooked in drafting other QBs. Beck was happy to be on training wheels he basically said when my Dad (COACH) thinks it stime to take it off than its time.
2) Henne lacked mental capacity and balls, could be years of BP ****ing up his head where as Tanne doesn't care for that he does what he "sees" ballsy or not, risky or not.
3) He said no one wnats to be a back up so I definitely know I am int he race and will be in the race to start, he didn't say when my "coaches" think im ready ill be ready for them he said I'm ready now.
As far as comparing him to the rest, this is what i see. Luck will be a great QB if not a very good one. Tannehill will be a very good QB as well if not a good one. WHo wins a ring first will come down to their supporting cast I think.
Great QB should tear apart 2nd stringers and Tanne did just that. Now had he bombed it liek we have seen for years for the past 10 years in TC with other QBs we would say its just TC, now he balls up like he should becasue any good QB would because htey are superior then now we say oh its only 2nd stringers? C'mon now man up and admit he did what he was supposed to do which is outperform the lesser talent.
He made Priut and Wallace look like Brandon Marshall and Jennings out there. (bit of a stretch but you catch my drift)
Spot on.