Ricky + Omar Jacobs >>>>>>>>>>> (Insert overhyped QB here) without Ricky

[flintsilver7]

Who comes up with these things? Mel Kiper's hype machine is running full speed ahead with Jay Cutler riding shotgun. By the time Kiper's done running his mouth, Cutler will be going 5th. Miami would be overpaying drastically to get him.

Nobody can argue with the extremely effective combination of Brown and Williams - both had a 4.4 YPC average, with Miami overall ranked 7th in the league in rushing efficiency. This would serve to keep opposing defenses off-balance - Atlanta, Pittsburgh, Denver, Kansas City, and Miami have proven how much two backs help.

Miami can get Omar Jacobs without sacrificing a guy that has far more value to them than to anybody else. Omar Jacobs is big (6'4", 225), smart (on and off the field), oh, and extremely efficient as a passer. He's got a lot fewer question marks surrounding him than most other players, especially quarterbacks. Hell, I would happily take him in the first round.

The guy IS a franchise quarterback. It's reminding me a lot of last year. The two most successful quarterbacks from last year's draft were Charlie Frye and Kyle Orton. Frye was picked in the 3rd round - 67th. You don't have to trade up to the top 10 to get a good pick. Or, we can overpay.

 

[DeathStar]

orton was a bum. he didn't do jack ****. it was chicago's defense that won them the games. frye hasn't done **** either. what are you talking about??

hell no on jacobs with his wierd arm delivery.

why not get ricky and a good QB???

 

[ABrownLamp]

Orton and Frye? WTF? Nice examples. :sarcasm: You dont really think Orton won those games with his arm do you? Frye had very few games to judge from. I think there are quite a few question marks around Jacobs. Throwing motion. Spread offense. Crappy division. Thats why hes projected 4th round.

 

[Frank B]

I have liked Omar Jacobs for a couple of years. I think he has all the tools to be a very good starting quarterback in the NFL. Will he need some time to develop? Absolutely. I don't think there is a QB in this draft that is ready to start with the exception of Leinart, and I still think Leinart would struggle if he were forced to start for a like the Saints or the Titans.

I pray that Saban and Mueller have Jacobs near the top of their list, and they're just waiting in the weeds for the draft to shake out.

 

[Bellson]

I'm not going to sit here and say Omar Jacobs is the answer b/c Omar Jacobs definitely has some ? marks to go along with his name. The guy has a point though. Cutler is getting way too much media hype right now which is definitely going to boost his draft position. Very similar to the hype A. Smith got and we all saw how good he looked this past year. Yea I know the 49ers are flat out horrible overall as a team... but A. Smith at times couldnt even deliver a simple pass out to the flats and his deep balls looked worse than Pennington's. With our current pick and draft position, I believe we should address some of our holes in the secondary and beef up our O-line. Go after a guy like Cromratie or Justice. Mueller will be able to find mid/late round QB talent. There is no need to overpay a guy like Cutler b/c I truly don't see him becoming this future "franchise QB" like a lot of you are starting to believe.

 

[greatwade]

I like him too.

 

[flintsilver7]

orton was a bum. he didn't do jack ****. it was chicago's defense that won them the games. frye hasn't done **** either. what are you talking about??

hell no on jacobs with his wierd arm delivery.

why not get ricky and a good QB???

Charlie Frye was on a Browns team that had a very weak offense. His would-be best receiving options - Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow - saw limited or no playing time. Basically, on the 6-10 Browns, his rating was 69.8. (Compare that to Gus Frerotte, who posted a 71.9 on the talent-laden Dolphins.) If a QB rating of 69.8 isn't promising - Peyton Manning put up a rating of 71.2 his first year with more surrounding talent - then I don't know what to tell you.

Orton threw five interceptions against the Bengals (as did every other quarterback in the NFC North) but otherwise was fairly efficient for a rookie quarterback. The offensive talent on his team was almost nonexistent - Muhsin Muhammad was his only option. Orton did better last year than Eli Manning did his rookie year, and where was Manning drafted? Hey, what about Alex Smith? Where was he taken? What is he being paid? I know the Niners are unbelievably bad, but a 40.8 rating isn't promising.

Let me add the note that I am not saying by any means that Orton did well. He didn't do well, but his rookie season wasn't as bad as some other quarterbacks. I'm saying that among the quarterbacks drafted last year and thrown into the fire, these two guys are the two who performed the best. One was a third-rounder and the other a fourth. Both could potentially be franchise quarterbacks - Frye more so than Orton. The point in all this is we could draft Jacobs in the second and he could do ten times better than all these guys projected as sure-fire saviors.

Orton and Frye? WTF? Nice examples. :sarcasm: You dont really think Orton won those games with his arm do you? Frye had very few games to judge from. I think there are quite a few question marks around Jacobs. Throwing motion. Spread offense. Crappy division. Thats why hes projected 4th round.

I'll mention again. Frye did fairly well given his surroundings. Orton didn't do as well, but he wasn't horrible. I brought up these two guys as the two most successful quarterbacks from last year's draft, because that's what they are. I didn't bring them up as future superstars.

 

[Dolfan_Noles]

You cant really say that Orton played bad. He got thrown in as a rookie. With the exception of Roethlisberger, there arent many QBs that thrived in that role. He never lost games for his team. Even though he struggled at times, they had scaled back the offense, so he didnt have a whole lot of options, and he managed the game well. Frye did a good job as well.

 

[Rich22]

First off - Jacobs is NO franchise QB. He has terrible mechanics! No way would I waste a pick on him. Orton was brutal last year - did you see him play? He did not play because he earned a start - Grossman was hurt. Despite the Bears winning he was benched when Grossman was semi healthy. That tells you how good he did! And Grossman sucks by the way! Frye playing was the biggest joke I witnessed all year. Crennel should have been shot for what he did. Dilfer was doing very good for the Browns. When he pulled him in the Miami game for no reason that was ridiculous. The Browns would have been decent with Dilfer. I'll say this even though I used to bash him - I'd take him behind center.

 

[greatwade]

what's so special about mechanics? we're talking about football, not cars. Didn't they once say Dan had a 'weird' release (albeit the fastest in history).

 

[Predaphin]

Who comes up with these things? Mel Kiper's hype machine is running full speed ahead with Jay Cutler riding shotgun. By the time Kiper's done running his mouth, Cutler will be going 5th. Miami would be overpaying drastically to get him.

Nobody can argue with the extremely effective combination of Brown and Williams - both had a 4.4 YPC average, with Miami overall ranked 7th in the league in rushing efficiency. This would serve to keep opposing defenses off-balance - Atlanta, Pittsburgh, Denver, Kansas City, and Miami have proven how much two backs help.

Miami can get Omar Jacobs without sacrificing a guy that has far more value to them than to anybody else. Omar Jacobs is big (6'4", 225), smart (on and off the field), oh, and extremely efficient as a passer. He's got a lot fewer question marks surrounding him than most other players, especially quarterbacks. Hell, I would happily take him in the first round.

The guy IS a franchise quarterback. It's reminding me a lot of last year. The two most successful quarterbacks from last year's draft were Charlie Frye and Kyle Orton. Frye was picked in the 3rd round - 67th. You don't have to trade up to the top 10 to get a good pick. Or, we can overpay.

good post, now thats what im talking about....people forget about Ryan Leaf and Tom Brady....Ryan leaf was selected second and tom brady didnt go until the 6th round....

we dont need to trade a proven player for an unproven one.....As smart as Saban is im sure he could scout a franchise QB in the later rounds.

 

[flintsilver7]

First off - Jacobs is NO franchise QB. He has terrible mechanics! No way would I waste a pick on him. Orton was brutal last year - did you see him play? He did not play because he earned a start - Grossman was hurt. Despite the Bears winning he was benched when Grossman was semi healthy. That tells you how good he did! And Grossman sucks by the way! Frye playing was the biggest joke I witnessed all year. Crennel should have been shot for what he did. Dilfer was doing very good for the Browns. When he pulled him in the Miami game for no reason that was ridiculous. The Browns would have been decent with Dilfer. I'll say this even though I used to bash him - I'd take him behind center.

"Terrible" mechanics have somehow allowed Jacobs to get 71 touchdowns and 11 interceptions, so he must be doing something right. As long as he can continue to put up that kind of TD/INT ratio and complete 65% of his passes, I don't care if he's launching passes with a Nerf gun.

Mechanics are largely what people rely on when they dislike a player but don't have any facts to back that up. If you look at MLB, nearly all pitchers have different deliveries. Dontrelle Willis has extremely strange mechanics. Kevin Brown had a very strange delivery. Nolan Ryan had a very straightforward delivery. Brown and Ryan had very good careers, while Willis is certainly building one. Delivery and mechanics don't apply there - if the guy can pitch, the guy can pitch. It applies just the same to quarterbacks.

Dilfer had a QB rating around 77 with Frye around 70, so there wasn't a huge difference there. As for Orton, I will say AGAIN that he was one of the most successful from last year's draft and NOT that he did particularly well. He did better than the guys taken earlier that played (except Frye) - especially Alex Smith.

 

[Schleprock]

Miami can get Omar Jacobs without sacrificing a guy that has far more value to them than to anybody else. Omar Jacobs is big (6'4", 225), smart (on and off the field), oh, and extremely efficient as a passer. He's got a lot fewer question marks surrounding him than most other players, especially quarterbacks. Hell, I would happily take him in the first round.

Wow, talk about missing the target on an evaluation. It's obvious you wont' be scouting for the NFL soon. Big? yes. Smart? no. He is in a simple shotgun offense and on top of that, he was required to look over at the sideline while in formation for his coaches to read the defense and tell him what to do. Efficient? Sorta. His division sucks and when he got knocked abit this year you saw what happened to his play. Fewer question marks? NO. If anything, he has more question marks than 75% of the QBs because of his mechanics, competition in college, and his decision to leave early.

Anyone who takes this guy higher than halfway through the 3rd is taking a leap of faith. I dont' want Jacobs anywhere near this team.

 

['Deep]

I was in Boise when Jacobs & Co. got pounded by Boise State, and he did squat until the fourth quarter, long after the game was out of reach. I believe he was 50% completion percentage for the game, and he does have a strange throwing motion/delivery. BSU doesn`t have a great defense either, and I expected a lot more from Omar than what I saw...considering all the hype that was surrounding him. Pass on this guy unless he falls to the middle rounds.

 

[Coral Reefer]

Who comes up with these things? Mel Kiper's hype machine is running full speed .


Miami can get Omar Jacobs without sacrificing a guy that has far more value to them than to anybody else. Omar Jacobs is big (6'4", 225), smart (on and off the field), oh, and extremely efficient as a passer. He's got a lot fewer question marks surrounding him than most other players, especially quarterbacks. Hell, I would happily take him in the first round.

The guy IS a franchise quarterback. .

Kyper's hype machine is running full speed trailing only the FlintSilver Omar Jacobs bandwagon of hype! :tongue: