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If we were to trade Ricky Williams in the offseason, I can only envision a couple of likely destinations. First, for those that think we will get a 1st rounder out of any team for Ricky, you should be prepared for disappointment. Ricky has played well this year, but there is always that cloud of uncertainty hanging over him that scares teams off. I could see us parting with Ricky for either a high 2nd rounder or a package of a 3rd in 2006 + a 4th in 2007.

The first possible destination would be Houston. Domanick Davis is undersized and injury prone. Carr needs a big time running game to help open the passing offense. I think Houston would be crazy not to take Reggie Bush, but if they decided to go in a different direction...say a trade down, pick LT D'brickashaw Ferguson, and then use one of the extra acquired picks on Ricky, they could possibley get 2 or 3 new highly talented pieces to their team.

The second, and what I consider the best possible trade partner, would be San Francisco. San Fran's 2nd or 3rd round pick position is high enough to make it worth our while. Kevin Barlow has always underperfomed, and Frank Gore is unproven and not necessarily up to carrying the full load. Ricky's skill set is perfectly matched for the West Coast offense. Plus, Ricky's demeanor is perfectly matched for living on the West Coast. San Fran is Ricky's kind of town! He would at least be closer to home.

I like Ricky's contribution to the team this year, but Ronnie Brown needs to be THE MAN next year. 11 to 15 carries doesn't seem to be enough to get Ronnie into a groove where he can be the difference maker. Yes, it's true that a good team should have two capable backs, but we have two star backs and not enough touches to go around. I think Sammy Morris could capably fill the 2nd running back spot next year, and you never know when we could hit on a low pick or free agent at running back.
 
A 1st? I think people will be disappointed if they think we could get a 2nd or even a high 3rd. Remember Edge and Alexander could have been had for 2nds and nobody bit. Ricky is worth more to the Dolphins than he is to any potential trade partners IMO. I wouldn't want to give him up for any less than a 2nd and I don't think we'd get that.
 
Reality is that the phins cannot and will not get a first day pick for Ricky. This team would be incredibly lucky to obtain a 4th/5th for a RB one flunked drug test away from a year suspension whose heart isn't into football and is relegated to being a backup RB.
 
You forgot Arizona....I would think Denny could think of a few ways to use Ricky in his offense.
 
No way he goes to SF imo. Mike Nolan didn't want david boston because he thought he was unstable. I'm sure he wouldnt trade for ricky.
 
VanDolPhan said:
Reality is that the phins cannot and will not get a first day pick for Ricky. This team would be incredibly lucky to obtain a 4th/5th for a RB one flunked drug test away from a year suspension whose heart isn't into football and is relegated to being a backup RB.
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I believe the Dolphins could get a conditional 2nd rounder for Ricky...easily. Think what Ricky being on arizona's team would do for their offense...and Denny still has his first round pick. Would anyone say that Ricky isn't better than anyone coming out in the draft...that would be drafted in the second round?

All I can say is...."such a deal"!!
 
islandah said:
A 1st? I think people will be disappointed if they think we could get a 2nd or even a high 3rd. Remember Edge and Alexander could have been had for 2nds and nobody bit. Ricky is worth more to the Dolphins than he is to any potential trade partners IMO. I wouldn't want to give him up for any less than a 2nd and I don't think we'd get that.
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yeah but they were also franchised so teams had to give an arm and a leg for either one
 
BIGRED11 said:
yeah but they were also franchised so teams had to give an arm and a leg for either one
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You think Ricky, who is admittedly back in part due to the money he owes, is going to sign cheaply for some team he doesn't owe 8 mil to? Plus he's one joint away from suspension. My point is that there are a lot more options out there for RB hungry teams that don't carry the risks that RW does. If I'm a gm, no way I'm taking Ricky unless he is a bargain. If I'm giving up a 2nd rd pick, I want either a proven trouble-free vet, or a younger back that has more years ahead of him and that I can build around.
 
It's best we just keep him. With the offseason additions we'll be making and the remaining players having a year under Saban and Co. we're going to be in the thick of things next year. We'll need to two good runningbacks.
 
Ricky is more valuable to the team the value of the pick he would bring at this point. I don't believe we will be trading Ricky this year or next.
 
fishypete said:
I believe the Dolphins could get a conditional 2nd rounder for Ricky...easily. Think what Ricky being on arizona's team would do for their offense...and Denny still has his first round pick. Would anyone say that Ricky isn't better than anyone coming out in the draft...that would be drafted in the second round?

All I can say is...."such a deal"!!
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Your living in a madden reality. E.J and Shawn Alexander were both available for a 2nd rounder (rumor had it lower in some cases) and every team in the league passed.

Ricky will NEVER gain a first day pick out of any team not with his retirement, status in the drug program and his contract status would be completely changed if he were traded as the $8.6 million judgement that is making him a good boy here would not apply for another team. So he could easily just retire again at that point or demand a huge new salary.
 
Frank B said:
If we were to trade Ricky Williams in the offseason, I can only envision a couple of likely destinations. First, for those that think we will get a 1st rounder out of any team for Ricky, you should be prepared for disappointment. Ricky has played well this year, but there is always that cloud of uncertainty hanging over him that scares teams off. I could see us parting with Ricky for either a high 2nd rounder or a package of a 3rd in 2006 + a 4th in 2007.

The first possible destination would be Houston. Domanick Davis is undersized and injury prone. Carr needs a big time running game to help open the passing offense. I think Houston would be crazy not to take Reggie Bush, but if they decided to go in a different direction...say a trade down, pick LT D'brickashaw Ferguson, and then use one of the extra acquired picks on Ricky, they could possibley get 2 or 3 new highly talented pieces to their team.

The second, and what I consider the best possible trade partner, would be San Francisco. San Fran's 2nd or 3rd round pick position is high enough to make it worth our while. Kevin Barlow has always underperfomed, and Frank Gore is unproven and not necessarily up to carrying the full load. Ricky's skill set is perfectly matched for the West Coast offense. Plus, Ricky's demeanor is perfectly matched for living on the West Coast. San Fran is Ricky's kind of town! He would at least be closer to home.

I like Ricky's contribution to the team this year, but Ronnie Brown needs to be THE MAN next year. 11 to 15 carries doesn't seem to be enough to get Ronnie into a groove where he can be the difference maker. Yes, it's true that a good team should have two capable backs, but we have two star backs and not enough touches to go around. I think Sammy Morris could capably fill the 2nd running back spot next year, and you never know when we could hit on a low pick or free agent at running back.
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bro, these ricky trades are getting old. If want some input search the forums for topics regarding that issue...
 
There seems to be two perspectives on this matter that are prompting such a discussion.

1- Brown needs to be THE man, and get the bulk of the carries, with a true backup that can spell him when necessary.

2- Williams has too much trade value for a team in desperate need to fill alot of holes everywhere on the team.


Although I agree that Brown is better with a lot of carries, there really is no substitute for a RB crew that can stay fresh throughout the game while keeping the calibre of talent at a high rate. Defenses cringe when Brown comes out only to see Williams come in, or visa versa.

But then there is the obvious that has played out this season. Saban and Linehan like to air it out. Which means less touches for both RBs. In a system like Linehan's you dont need two RBs...at all. The Oakland Raider game, IMO, was a tease. Both RBs got a heavy dose of carries that benefited everyone. But after that game, we've seen Linehan go back to slinging the ball around. I know, I know. It hasnt failed because Chambers seems to have finally awaken from his slumber. But he has nothing to do with R&R situation.

From a different perspective, I was checking out someone's post of the 2005 cap schedule for the Fins, and between both our starting WRs, they are costing the Fins close to 6m against the cap. That is far too much money to be wasting on a WR who finally has showed up for games, and a WR who is at his best as a strictly posession WR. If, and thats a BIG if we were to get some kind of value for Williams where we can get out hands on a WR that will give us at least the same output as Booker, with a greater upside, and with a far less cap hit, then Id go for it. The truth is that on this squad, with the kind of offensive philosophy they have, Williams is more a luxury than a necessity. They could adress a backup RB in FA or the 2007 draft, if someone like the guy we picked up from WVA isnt panning out (cant remember his name). This offense needs a gluttony of WRs to truly be successful. RB is more than capable of handling a full load. He's big, strong, and fast. He's been fresh throughout his career and will pay dividends because he will stay healthy in the long run. Not to mention the big-time salary he got as a #2 pick for Saban to be giving him 10-15 touches a game is just stupid.

This whole R&R in the backfield at the same time, IMO, has failed. The statistic goes soemthing like, the Fins have passed it over 70% of the time that theyre in the backfield together. And most of the time it hasnt been to either of them. Or when they run from that set-up, its usually to RB who is at FB position and has to go so quickly he cant see a crease opening up because hes only a yard away from the point of attack.

My opinion is that, although Williams brings a whole lot of power to a backfield that is already very powerful, his value can best serve the team by way of trade for something that will be better suit the offensive system.
 
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