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Ricky Williams and my argument with a Bills fan!!

If Ricky has a good year, do you think Nick Saban will trade him next season for a 2?

  • Yes, Nick will trade Ricky after a good season for a 2nd round pick.

    Votes: 54 40.6%

  • No way! Saban will keep Williams rather than trade him for a 2nd round pick.

    Votes: 79 59.4%
  • Total voters
    133
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NJFinFury2004

I need everyone's opinion on this. I have a friend who is a Bills fan and his screen name on AOL is Xmrsmoke1109x@aol.com. We were arguing over none other than Ricky Williams. This was the argument.

He said, Ricky won't be there next year and you won't get much for him. I said why would you be so sure he wouldn't be here? He said you just signed Ronnie for 20 Million. I asked, what does that have to do with Ricky?

Why would we trade Ricky for a 3rd round draft pick, when he is ours next season and we basically have this player by the gonads because of the 8 million. I said if Ricky has a good year, which I know he will Saban wouldn't trade him for a 3rd rounder.

He said ok, than maybe a 2nd rounder but he wont be there. I asked, what sense would that make for us? We have a pro-bowl running back under contract for basically league minimum, why get rid of him for a more expensive 2nd round draft choice with less talent?

I want to see what you guys think about this.

Would Saban trade Ricky after he has a good year for a 2nd round draft choice? The Bills fan claims there is no way we get a 1. Or would Nick Saban keep Ricky in the backfield with Ronnie for another season?

Id like to see what you guys think
 
I don't really no what you typed there, its kinda jumbled, but Ricky won't get more than a 3-4 if he plays lights out and a team with a shot at the bowl is an RB away.

Ricky isn't worth trading a high pick for because you don't know how long he'll play for, once he's traded the 8 million means nothing.

Why would a team waste a draft pick on a guy that could retire in the offseason with no reprocussions? At least the fins had the 8 million over his head.
 
Maybe a 3rd or 4th.....with his past it would be hard for a team to give up more knowing how unstable he is and he may have a couple good games but he wont put up eye popping numbers while splitting carries with RB.
 
what do you consider a "good year"?

eather way, brown is there to stay. if a team makes the fins a trade offer, williams for a 2nd rounder, i bet they take it. but i SERIOUSLY dout a team will make that offer after his retierment, and a full year suspention hanging over his head if he tests positive for weed.
 
I think it depends on how good Ronnie Brown does as a RB.....we could always use a quality backup for Ronnie and keep them both.
 
If next spring, Saban can trade Ricky for a 2nd round pick, he would do so in a heartbeat. Having a #1 and two # 2's, are you kidding me!!!!

But I also don't think you can get a #2 for Ricky, Edge and Alexander couldn't!
 
If someone offers a 2nd rounder then I'd suggest to Saban........... TAKE IT QUICK!!!! While a 2nd round pick may not equate to RW's talent level I'd still be shocked if a team were to offer so much for a guy as sketchy as he is, comingf off a year retirement for some crazy reasons, then saying he has about 2 years left in him doesn't make his stock rise. Plus you gotta factor in that IF RW does want to play for a few more years he is going to be demanding a VERY VERY high salary VERY VERY soon. Would you want to pay top 5 money to 2 players at one position when we still could use help at QB, and O-line????
 
Losman7 said:
I don't really no what you typed there, its kinda jumbled, but Ricky won't get more than a 3-4 if he plays lights out and a team with a shot at the bowl is an RB away.

Ricky isn't worth trading a high pick for because you don't know how long he'll play for, once he's traded the 8 million means nothing.

Why would a team waste a draft pick on a guy that could retire in the offseason with no reprocussions? At least the fins had the 8 million over his head.
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You know, I was doing a few different things while trying to explain this. My point is, why trade Ricky when you know you wont get fair market value for him? He is a valuable asset.

Even if we were to get a 2nd round pick for him, the smart move would be too keep him. Why? Because he would cost less money and you most likely wont get as good a player as him.

I see all of these blurbs about Ricky being traded, I don't think Saban would do that. For the kind of Money we are spending on Ricky, it's worth keeping him.
 
outlawd2u said:
If someone offers a 2nd rounder then I'd suggest to Saban........... TAKE IT QUICK!!!! While a 2nd round pick may not equate to RW's talent level I'd still be shocked if a team were to offer so much for a guy as sketchy as he is, comingf off a year retirement for some crazy reasons, then saying he has about 2 years left in him doesn't make his stock rise. Plus you gotta factor in that IF RW does want to play for a few more years he is going to be demanding a VERY VERY high salary VERY VERY soon. Would you want to pay top 5 money to 2 players at one position when we still could use help at QB, and O-line????
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Dude I can't disagree more. A second round draft choice will wind up costing us more money than one of the best RB's in the entire league. You have to weigh the whole situation out.

If another team does trade for him, they will also have to pay him. There is very little risk and money on are part, and very very high rewards to be had. This is a back who is in debt, owens us 8 millionn dollars still has pride and MAD SKILLS and TALENT.

It works in our favor to keep him.
 
NJFinFury2004 said:
Dude I can't disagree more. A second round draft choice will wind up costing us more money than one of the best RB's in the entire league. You have to weigh the whole situation out.

If another team does trade for him, they will also have to pay him. There is very little risk and money on are part, and very very high rewards to be had. This is a back who is in debt, owens us 8 millionn dollars still has pride and MAD SKILLS and TALENT.

It works in our favor to keep him.
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I don't think he owes us 8.6 million now that he is playing, I could be wrong, but I don't think so. If he honors the rest of his contract, I believe he is okay.

I also say he would be out the door in 1/2 a second if Saban was offered a # 2. Saban wants to build his team and get younger, yes you have to pay a #2 pick, but some high priced guys won't be here next year.

He could then draft a QB and much needed help with three picks in the first two rounds.
 
NJFINSFAN1 said:
If next spring, Saban can trade Ricky for a 2nd round pick, he would do so in a heartbeat. Having a #1 and two # 2's, are you kidding me!!!!

But I also don't think you can get a #2 for Ricky, Edge and Alexander couldn't!
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I don't agree at all! Look at my last post. First off a 2nd round pick will cost us more money than Ricky will and he won't have as much talent. Ricky is one of the best, if not the best RB in this league dude. Having Ricky and Ronnie in the backfield for the next few years is a dream and a nightmare to oppossing defenses.

Remember, for MIAMI Ricky is very cap friendly, you have to consider that.
 
NJFINSFAN1 said:
If next spring, Saban can trade Ricky for a 2nd round pick, he would do so in a heartbeat. Having a #1 and two # 2's, are you kidding me!!!!

But I also don't think you can get a #2 for Ricky, Edge and Alexander couldn't!
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Yea you are probably right. Even though I think people are worried about Edge's knee and if Alexander is just perfect for the Seahawks system
 
NJFINSFAN1 said:
I don't think he owes us 8.6 million now that he is playing, I could be wrong, but I don't think so. If he honors the rest of his contract, I believe he is okay.

I also say he would be out the door in 1/2 a second if Saban was offered a # 2. Saban wants to build his team and get younger, yes you have to pay a #2 pick, but some high priced guys won't be here next year.

He could then draft a QB and much needed help with three picks in the first two rounds.
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He still owens us the money. And there is no way we can get a player of his ability in the second round. And he also saves us money. And what high priced guys wont be here next year?

If Ricky winds up tearing up the league this year, we would be stupid to get rid of him for 500k per season. Even if we were to give him some extra money for certain goals, he is WORTH keeping on the team. I know Saban wants to get younger, but Ricky is only 29... Dude I dont agree
 
NJFinFury2004 said:
He still owens us the money. And there is no way we can get a player of his ability in the second round. And he also saves us money. And what high priced guys wont be here next year?

If Ricky winds up tearing up the league this year, we would be stupid to get rid of him for 500k per season. Even if we were to give him some extra money for certain goals, he is WORTH keeping on the team. I know Saban wants to get younger, but Ricky is only 29... Dude I dont agree
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We can agree to disagree, that's fine. I'm not sure about the 8.6, nothing has really been said about it, you maybe right?

Seau will be gone, Chester will be gone. Who knows what happens to Thomas if Chowder tears it up. AJ will be gone.

I really feel if he gets offered a #2, he wouldn't blink an eye and do so. Who knows whats in Rickys mind, he could walk away again tomorrow. And if you can get a # 2, go for it.
 
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