Ricky Williams.......Now.....

[GoonBoss]

Goon,

People with disorders often make irrational decisions. Not saying that completely excuses what he did but he seems to have turned v myself around. When he returned, I saw a more responsible Ricky....

I'm well aware of that. I'm made a number of bad choices myself. One thing I've never done is hold
and act, process, or substance above the well being of my family, or the people I've worked with and for.

He does seem to be doing better, and, good for him. I certainly applaud the progress he seems to have
made, but the facts are in evidence, and those facts show him to be lacking in terms of legacy.

You can treasure whomever you want that wore a Dolphins uniform. You'll have to make excuses for
just about all of them in terms of being men, and I understand that. I just can't get by what Ricky did,
and It's like raking nails on a chalkboard to hear people talk about how "enlightened" etc, et al he is.

 

[GoonBoss]

The "fact" is, you don't know Ricky well enough to say he doesn't care about his kids or family. For you to make this claim undermines any credibility you think you have.

I was fortunate enough to have met the guy. We talked for a bit and I can tell you first hand he is an intelligent and compassionate person. You come off as exactly the kind of person that you attack Ricky of being.


Stop projecting.

I don't need to know him personally. He knowingly violated the leauge's substance abuse policy, which leads to progressive disciplinary actions, to include suspension, and
termination. That means he valued pot more than his kids.

Stop enabling and condoning his behavior.

ETA; And please stop telling me I said things I didn't say. I never said he didn't care about his kids or family. That's what YOU said.
I said he cared about POT more than he cared about his kids and family, among other things, which he absolutely did. If you want to talk
about undermining credibility, I think you undermined yours.

 

[Akronfinfan36]

totally agree...i remember in 2004 how mad i was at him. burned my Ricky jersey as a 20 year old kid because his retirement. everything i learned about him following that, his return to football and his life afterward is so enlightened. i can easily say he is one of my all time favorite players. Marino, Duper/Clayton, Zach, Gadsden, and Ricky are my favorite Dolphins. Run Ricky, Run. i wish i could backhand Wannestedt across the mouth for what he did to this organization.

Social D!!!!

Okay, back on topic...

 

[dlockz]

I think you completely missed the point. Why are so many people fixing on the "He didn't care about me" part of my post, and, just ignoring the facts that are in evidence?
Make excuses for him all you like, but what he cared about was Ricky, and, pot. Not me, not you, not his kids, not his family, not his teammates, not his employer.
Just Ricky, and pot.

I don't get why that gets him lionized.

I didn't lionize him and I was adding more perspective to the season that he decided to quit. He failed a drug test and decided to call it quits basically but the dolphins did fail to add anything of substance in 2003 so teams did key on him.
We had a guys starting at qb that should have never been starting and we were about to reel out one of the worst lines in dolphin history. I think he had already had enough of Dave Wannstadt and was not having much fun in 2003.
When we had a new coach he probably felt he could give it another try plus he probably missed the money. I don't think of ricky as this great human being or this horrible human being he is just a man that was a good football player that violated the drug policy.
Not one player on the fins gives one damn about u or me or really the fans. Its the money in the end and everything else is just a damn image. Hell we had plenty of players on the team last year that seemed to not give a damn about much except partying and doing stupid stuff yet many try to defend those idiots.
The only facts are he failed a drug test and instead of being dragged through the mud with the NFL drug policy. On another note it will be a great day when the US ends their silly criminalization of Marijuana esp when the most dangerous drug in America is quite legal. I don't smoke or ever will but still being illegal is beyond stupid at this point.

 

[truedolfan57]

I don't need to know him personally. He knowingly violated the leauge's substance abuse policy, which leads to progressive disciplinary actions, to include suspension, and
termination. That means he valued pot more than his kids.

how do you figure that? I'm sure he had more than enough money to take care of his kids. until he found out he owed money to the Miami dolphins, and decided to come back, to pay his debt. sounds like he cares about his kids to me.

 

[GoonBoss]

I didn't lionize him and I was adding more perspective to the season that he decided to quit. He failed a drug test and decided to call it quits basically but the dolphins did fail to add anything of substance in 2003 so teams did key on him.
We had a guys starting at qb that should have never been starting and we were about to reel out one of the worst lines in dolphin history. I think he had already had enough of Dave Wannstadt and was not having much fun in 2003.
When we had a new coach he probably felt he could give it another try plus he probably missed the money. I don't think of ricky as this great human being or this horrible human being he is just a man that was a good football player that violated the drug policy.
Not one player on the fins gives one damn about u or me or really the fans. Its the money in the end and everything else is just a damn image. Hell we had plenty of players on the team last year that seemed to not give a damn about much except partying and doing stupid stuff yet many try to defend those idiots.
The only facts are he failed a drug test and instead of being dragged through the mud with the NFL drug policy. On another note it will be a great day when the US ends their silly criminalization of Marijuana esp when the most dangerous drug in America is quite legal. I don't smoke or ever will but still being illegal is beyond stupid at this point.

So, you quit when teams key on you? Get the **** outta here.

You quit because your team isn't where you'd like it to be?

Is that what you'd do as an Infantryman? You'd quit when the
going got tough? I don't think you would, even when you're absorbing
more as an "Over the hill" Infantryman than a young buck is.

You don't quit when the chips are down.

If you do, you're a quitter.

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how do you figure that? I'm sure he had more than enough money to take care of his kids. until he found out he owed money to the Miami dolphins, and decided to come back, to pay his debt. sounds like he cares about his kids to me.

Sounds like he didn't have enough money, did it?

 

[truedolfan57]

So, you quit when teams key on you? Get the **** outta here.

You quit because your team isn't where you'd like it to be?

Is that what you'd do as an Infantryman? You'd quit when the
going got tough? I don't think you would, even when you're absorbing
more as an "Over the hill" Infantryman than a young buck is.

You don't quit when the chips are down.

If you do, you're a quitter.

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Sounds like he didn't have enough money, did it?

before he found out he owed money, why not? then he owed 8mil...so yes, sounds like he thought he had plenty of money, beforehand. then when he found out he didn't, he came back. would be like me retiring right now, if i knew i could take care of my kid and live comfortably, and then find out I owed a ton of money to taxes or something...i'd go bad to work. doesn't mean i don't put my kids as priority one, if i retire early.

and lol @ comparing a game to the military. where your job could cost lives in the military. the nfl, everyone is out for themselves.

 

[GoonBoss]

before he found out he owed money, why not? then he owed 8mil...so yes, sounds like he thought he had plenty of money, beforehand. then when he found out he didn't, he came back. would be like me retiring right now, if i knew i could take care of my kid and live comfortably, and then find out I owed a ton of money to taxes or something...i'd go bad to work. doesn't mean i don't care about my kids, if i retire early.

Too bad he endangered his career for his love of pot.

 

[truedolfan57]

Too bad he endangered his career for his love of pot.

he was young. people can change. he finished one chapter of his career, and started another career.

 

[sm0kinfins]

I don't get how anyone can hate this guy. He had issues. He self medicated. He got caught and decided to call it quits before being drug through the mud. Once he learned he owed the Dolphins a ton of money he came back and played as hard as ever, doing more than the bare minimum that was contractually required. The witch hunt against pot in this country needs to come to a stop already. It's ignorant, like those who support it.

Oh, and anyone who would list their employer as people to value along with one's family must not work for any kind of large corporate entity. Because to think that they care about you beyond being merely a number on a spreadsheet is incredibly naive. The Dolphins org cared for Ricky as long as the stats sheet with his name on it carried value. Beyond that he was just a number to them.

 

[traptses]

No.

But I do expect them to care about the people who employ them, if nothing else for the money we provide them.
I expect them to value US, their TEAMMATES, and their FAMILIES more than they value pot.
I don't feel that's too much to ask.

My criteria to choose which players I like are based on lots of factors, but valuing pot more than your
kids? That's a hard one to get past.

I'm surprised so many people just gloss over the fact that the dude willingly chose to smoke weed
rather than provide the best life possible for his loved ones. He had it all for the taking. Everyone
from college (At least) on down was willing to help him in whatever way he needed, but he made the
choice to not be helped, and, he made all the people around him suffer for that choice.

Sorry, not the kind of dude I hold up to the light.

I'm pretty confident that at that point in his career, he had already made more money than any of us will in our lifetime. I don't think his kids had to worry too much

 

[dlockz]

So, you quit when teams key on you? Get the **** outta here.

You quit because your team isn't where you'd like it to be?

Is that what you'd do as an Infantryman? You'd quit when the
going got tough? I don't think you would, even when you're absorbing
more as an "Over the hill" Infantryman than a young buck is.

You don't quit when the chips are down.

If you do, you're a quitter.

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Sounds like he didn't have enough money, did it?

Well Im definitely quitting now or ETSIng lol Korea's idiocy has proven just the right formula for me to decide its time to be a civilian again.
94 days Terminal Leave. I will probably do reserves to finish it out but leadership at the top has really went down or hell maybe it was never there.

Also back to what you were saying. Were talking about me but comparing football players to guys in military isn't even close esp Infantrymen. It takes a special discipline and heart to put up with this crap, for them its just a fat paycheck.
Not saying that many NFL players don't work their butts off

 

[GoonBoss]

Well Im definitely quitting now or ETSIng lol Korea's idiocy has proven just the right formula for me to decide its time to be a civilian again.
94 days Terminal Leave. I will probably do reserves to finish it out but leadership at the top has really went down or hell maybe it was never there.

Also back to what you were saying. Were talking about me but comparing football players to guys in military isn't even close esp Infantrymen. It takes a special discipline and heart to put up with this crap, for them its just a fat paycheck.
Not saying that many NFL players don't work their butts off

I''m sure your soldiers will appreciate an NCO running away because a tin pot dictator is
banging his pots and pans. If you can sleep well, go with god.

 

[dlockz]

I''m sure your soldiers will appreciate an NCO running away because a tin pot dictator is
banging his pots and pans. If you can sleep well, go with god.

Im not sure I understand your post. Im ETSing , my tour in Korea would have been up anyway.
As for that Tin pot dictator, there is no threat there, just half a century of posturing.
They are moving all the troops quite a ways down south anyway to Humphries.
My soldiers are too busy doing stupid details and courtesy patrols as they live in overcrowded buildings falling apart.
All the while biking and walking trails are being littered with freshly planted trees outside of these ghettos.

 

[GoonBoss]

Im not sure I understand your post. Im ETSing , my tour in Korea would have been up anyway.
As for that Tin pot dictator, there is no threat there, just half a century of posturing.
They are moving all the troops quite a ways down south anyway to Humphries.
My soldiers are too busy doing stupid details and courtesy patrols as they live in overcrowded buildings falling apart.
All the while biking and walking trails are being littered with freshly planted trees outside of these ghettos.

ETSing isn't quitting.

Ricky Williams quit.

Not only that, he valued drugs over his comrades which I doubt you did, so, I question why you
use the allegory.