Ronnie-Carnell Comparisons

[McMichael]

I'm new here and I've seen a lot of posts saying how we should have drafted Carnell over Ronnie. I've searched for some statistics in hopes to silence these nay-sayers.

Caddy has rushed 88 times already this season. 88 times! If the Bucs continue running him into the ground like this he is on pace to have 420+ rushing attempts by season's end. This is kinda like what Wanny did with Ricky Williams. He abused him so bad he made the man quit!

Our boy Ronnie on the other hand has only rushed for 57 times so far this season. That's 31 less than Carnell. That's a full game of carries plus more! Ronnie has the possibility of posting another great game vs a weakened Buffalo run defense. He could put up some serious numbers and all of a sudden be right next to Caddy in statistics, but with way less carries. Look how much he seemed to improve in the second half of the Carolina game. He was busting 7-10 yard runs continually down the stretch against a very-solid-defense. Especially on the last drive of the game, he put Mare in field goal range by himself!

We drafted Brown because he was the most well-rounded back in the draft. He has great hands, good blocking skills, and has shown to be more durable than Carnell throughout college. From the interviews and articles that I've read about Ronnie he seems to be very determined to prove why he was selected ahead of his Auburn buddy. Especially after Caddy's great initial success...

Final note- Caddy is averaging more than 29 carries a game, while Ronnie is averaging only 19! Of course Carnell is going to have superior numbers right now... he's only rushed 31 more times !!!!

I for one am very pleased with our first round draft choice.

 

[McMichael]

One more thing

One more note... I can't wait for the Tampa Bay game to see Ricky Williams school them both on how to run in the NFL!

 

[Phinadict]

welcome to THE board, and for the record, I agree with your post. Gruden is a fraction of the coach Saban is. Saban will bring Ronnie up gradually ("make haste slowly"), where Gruden will lose caddy by mid season due to injury stemming from over-use (just a guess).

I love that Ronnie is not getting 30+ carries each week. Saban is thinking long term rather than living in the moment.

 

[Shouright]

Can we just pretend like Cadillac Williams doesn't exist? Why does Ronnie's performance always have to be judged against his? I have a feeling we're going to be talking in very positive terms about BOTH of them for a long time to come. And Ronnie's career shouldn't be judged by how much better or worse it is than Cadillac's.

We're not still talking about how much better Peyton Manning is than the QB drafted a few spots behind him are we?

 

[DeathStar]

run Ricky Run

 

[McMichael]

I'm pretty sure the reasons why they're compared so much is because they both played together at Auburn, both were top 10 draft picks, and both are rookies. Who else better to compare Ronnie against???

 

[Shouright]

I'm pretty sure the reasons why they're compared so much is because they both played together at Auburn, both were top 10 draft picks, and both are rookies. Who else better to compare Ronnie against???

Why not just compare him to the standard of greatness for an NFL RB? If he rushes for 100 yards a game consistently and has 1,200-yard or more seasons, he's a great RB, no matter what Cadillac Williams does.

The problem here is that we can fool ourselves into thinking Ronnie was a bad pick if he's not doing as well as Cadillac, even if he's doing very well by NFL RB standards. These guys are three picks apart, not three rounds apart.

 

[McMichael]

I agree with you shouright, but due to their unique situation, and if both of them continue to play well, I believe we will see them compared to eachother all year long. and not just by us on this board =p

The only reason I brought up the two of them together and compared their stats was to try and silence some of the people saying we should have taken carnell instead.

 

[S.A.N.T.A.N.A.]

Caddy has rushed 88 times already this season. 88 times! If the Bucs continue running him into the ground like this he is on pace to have 420+ rushing attempts by season's end. This is kinda like what Wanny did with Ricky Williams. He abused him so bad he made the man quit!

Our boy Ronnie on the other hand has only rushed for 57 times so far this season. That's 31 less than Carnell. That's a full game of carries plus more!

Same <removed> over and over. Carnell will not end up with that many carries.

I said this in another thread...

Stop being foolish, Carnell won't end up with 460 carries. It's been only 3 games him carrying the ball a lot. He will get less touches. When the Bucs need to come from behind in a game do you think Cadillac will still get 30+ carries? Or when the Bucs have a game won early do you still think Cadillac will get 30+ carries? Wise up and stop with all this garbage.


Hey newb (McMichael) (I'm a newb too), if you are still pissed cuz the Phins past on Cadillac it's ok, but you need to get over it and stop covering up Cadillac's success with all that "too many carries" crap. Hush and just give the man his props. All I hear from you Ronnie homers is "he'll be better someday" "he is the more complete back" but he isn't producing near Cadillac.

Both backs fit there system perfectly. So why make another ronnie/caddy thread???

Mod Edit: The profanity filter is there for a reason. Don't try to circumvent it.

 

[hunter5nc1]

welcome to THE board, and for the record, I agree with your post. Gruden is a fraction of the coach Saban is. Saban will bring Ronnie up gradually ("make haste slowly"), where Gruden will lose caddy by mid season due to injury stemming from over-use (just a guess).

I love that Ronnie is not getting 30+ carries each week. Saban is thinking long term rather than living in the moment.

I like Saban as well but untill he wins a super bowl I don't think you can say he is a better coach than Gruden.

 

[hunter5nc1]

Same bull**** over and over. Carnell will not end up with that many carries.

I said this in another thread...

Stop being foolish, Carnell won't end up with 460 carries. It's been only 3 games him carrying the ball a lot. He will get less touches. When the Bucs need to come from behind in a game do you think Cadillac will still get 30+ carries? Or when the Bucs have a game won early do you still think Cadillac will get 30+ carries? Wise up and stop with all this garbage.


Hey newb (McMichael) (I'm a newb too), if you are still pissed cuz the Phins past on Cadillac it's ok, but you need to get over it and stop covering up Cadillac's success with all that "too many carries" crap. Hush and just give the man his props. All I hear from you Ronnie homers is "he'll be better someday" "he is the more complete back" but he isn't producing near Cadillac.

Both backs fit there system perfectly. So why make another ronnie/caddy thread???

Who do you suggest we talk about? :mad:

 

[CsonkaClone]

I'm sick of the comparisons...I'm so sick of them that I would root against Caddy but I have him on my fantasy team. This may be the topic that sends me to the VIP section!

 

[djfresh47]

welcome to THE board, and for the record, I agree with your post. Gruden is a fraction of the coach Saban is. Saban will bring Ronnie up gradually ("make haste slowly"), where Gruden will lose caddy by mid season due to injury stemming from over-use (just a guess).

I love that Ronnie is not getting 30+ carries each week. Saban is thinking long term rather than living in the moment.

I like Gruden as a coach, it's way too early to judge Williams, Brown, and Saban. Williams and Brown have played a total of 3 games, and Saban has been the head coach for 3 games, I think it is way too early to judge. I think Williams will see his carries cut back, if they continue at the pace they're going right now they're gonna ruin the kid in the long run. Cedric Benson the other back before Williams taken has not gotten an opportunity to start because of the good play of Jones. Give these guys a season or two before we judge them, Ricky could not compare to Edge his first couple of seasons, before he got to Miami, then he was atleast his equal if not better once he got to Miami.

 

[McMichael]

Same bull**** over and over. Carnell will not end up with that many carries.

I said this in another thread...

Stop being foolish, Carnell won't end up with 460 carries. It's been only 3 games him carrying the ball a lot. He will get less touches. When the Bucs need to come from behind in a game do you think Cadillac will still get 30+ carries? Or when the Bucs have a game won early do you still think Cadillac will get 30+ carries? Wise up and stop with all this garbage.


Hey newb (McMichael) (I'm a newb too), if you are still pissed cuz the Phins past on Cadillac it's ok, but you need to get over it and stop covering up Cadillac's success with all that "too many carries" crap. Hush and just give the man his props. All I hear from you Ronnie homers is "he'll be better someday" "he is the more complete back" but he isn't producing near Cadillac.

Both backs fit there system perfectly. So why make another ronnie/caddy thread???

Man how can you possibly say that Ronnie "isn't producing near Cadillac" You need to read up on your stats. If ronnie's next 31 carries are as good as his ones in the carolina game, he would be right next to caddy in numbers...

You're also not taking into account that the Bucs are an NFC team... So far they've played the Vikings, Buffalo, and Greenbay.

The dolphins have played 3 of last years play off teams, broncos, jets, and panthers.

I think you're smart enough to see who has had the MUCH harder schedule so far.

 

[S.A.N.T.A.N.A.]

Man how can you possibly say that Ronnie "isn't producing near Cadillac" You need to read up on your stats. If ronnie's next 31 carries are as good as his ones in the carolina game, he would be right next to caddy in numbers...

Whats with all this "If" talk?? Wait and watch the games and see how Ronnie's "next 31 carries" will turn out. Geesh.

Here ya go stat boy..

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/423701


http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/407235

Look real close at those #'s, Caddy is averaging a whole yard more per carry over Brown. Caddy has 5 20+ yard runs (I love that) while Brown has 1.

Cadillac has 19 first downs while Brown has 10.

Cadillac had 276 yards in his first 2 games, while Ronnie has 224 in his 3 games.

Ronnie still has those 224 yards while Carnell has 434. Carnell has 210 more yards.. hmmm I think some one has out produced some one by a lot (had to say that cuz you said I needed to read up on my stats... well there ya go).

You say Ronnie will be on par with Caddy's numbers if he has the same type of game as last week, but are you dumb enough to forget that Cadillac will play on Sunday too? Who knows how many more yards Cadillac will get and we'll see after Sunday how much more yards Cadillac will be up on Brown.
Bring on the ''If" talk and the excuses. :sleep:


I just posted this to let this guy know the facts, I'm not saying ''Cadillac is better'' or anything but the guy wasn't correct on what he was saying. I just showed him the facts.