Rosenhaus: Don't Judge McMichael

[Losman7]

You're speaking about this as though one has anything to do with the other. It doesn't. I'm not fond of domestic violence at all, but domestic violence does not translate to killing your ex-wife and her random friend.

Are you kidding me? Of course domestic violence has a direct correlation to murder.

Domestic violence often leads to murder. Either the husband eventually kills the wife, or the wife becomes fed up and kills the husband.


something like half of all women who are killed are killed by a husband, boyfriend, or ex.

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

Are you kidding me? Of course domestic violence has a direct correlation to murder.

Domestic violence often leads to murder. Either the husband eventually kills the wife, or the wife becomes fed up and kills the husband.


something like half of all women who are killed are killed by a husband, boyfriend, or ex.

I would like some statistics to back up your claims.

The correlation to domestic violence and murder is not as big as you think. In fact women are likely to kill their husbands then the other way around. With people like you they can just claim they were abused and get away with it scott free.

 

[grooves12]

I would like some statistics to back up your claims.

The correlation to domestic violence and murder is not as big as you think. In fact women are likely to kill their husbands then the other way around. With people like you they can just claim they were abused and get away with it scott free.

Do a quick google search... and you will find PLENTY of resources... 50% of all women who are killed in the US are killed at the hands of their male partner, who typically has been an abuser of the woman in the past.

http://www.alivestl.org/html/violence.htm

 

[Losman7]

Guys, you are arguing that domestic violence dosen't lead to murder.

It most certainly does, and there is plenty of research available if you don't believe me.

Of course not all domestic violence leads to murder, sometimes it leads to the hospital or a shelter.

 

[Losman7]

With people like you they can just claim they were abused and get away with it scott free.

What does that mean?

I'm not a judge, or a prosecutor. If a woman kills her husband it murder...

Don't assume that I would feel that way.

 

[Namor]

I judge McMike on those dropped passes late in the year.

 

[Jimmy James]

Guys, you are arguing that domestic violence dosen't lead to murder.

It most certainly does, and there is plenty of research available if you don't believe me.

Of course not all domestic violence leads to murder, sometimes it leads to the hospital or a shelter.

Has Randy's SO even made it to the hospital or the shelter? As I recall from last year's charges, it was a mutual violence situation. I don't know about this event because the details haven't really come out. Unless they're far more heinous than they appear, your cries of murder next summer are absurd as is your comparison to OJ.

Some people who beat their wives (which is not the way I would even describe anything Randy has done as of yet) do eventually kill or get killed. Some people also get the help they need and go on to lead a happy life with their partner. Just as it is absurd to trot out OJ, it would be absurd for anybody to suggest that outcome based on what little we know.

The only thing I think any responsible analyst would suggest is that there is clearly a problem here and that one or both of them needs to get some help to determine how to fix this relationship or if it can be fixed.

 

[volk]

Having seen two cases of domestic violence, I fully agree with Losman. In both the cases I observed, the potential for deadly force was very real. In one case, the husband and wife were fighting over their kid, punches were thrown, cars were battered, property was removed from the vehicle, etc. In the second case, a small argument over nothing combined with too much booze had the husband holding his wife over his head and dangling her feet into a campfire...had we not intervened, she would be severely burned, as he was going to drop her full body into the fire. In both cases, there was no previous history of violence.

Any cop will tell you that domestic violence is one of the most dangerous calls they go on. The intimate relationship between the two involved raises the level of anger/violence exponentially, creating a completely unpredictable situation. That McMichael has gone through this once before (while his wife was pregnant, BTW) and is facing it again is illustrating a pattern of violence towards his spouse. This is commonly enhanced by alcohol, as has happened in Randy's most recent infraction. I might also add that if Randy at any time decided to take steriods, the situation could become deadly in a hurry.

Ignoring the facts on domestic violence because the guy is a great athlete isn't doing Randy or his wife any favors. What's more, it isn't helping the public image of the NFL as a haven for thugs. Those of you who think Randy wouldn't kill his wife are simply ignorant of the way domestic violence works...anyone who gets caught up in it (man or woman) always has the potential to go too far. I swear, is there any crime a Dolphin player could commit that would make some of you no longer support him? Can some of you really not believe a player's character is important? It is kind of sickening to me.

 

[LarryFinFan]

I agree with Drew, alot of people in the national media disagree with his way of handling things but he's the best at what he does for a reason. If Randy is found not-guilty, than it's nothing but a black eye publicly on the organization, but it should not affect the on-field performance of Randy. I really hope Randy straightens things out, he's a very talented player who I believe would emerge from a very good tight-end in the league to an elite tight-end under Linehan's system.

I agree with you about RMs potential under Linehan's offense, so RM should also be aware of this fact and keep his nose clean...he can have a great football year and if he still has this anger management issue, will affect his ability to get a big contract.

On the other hand, it would behoove the Mueller to jump on his contract now, since they could have the upper hand in getting a cap friendly deal. If we wait, and he has the good year, I see him going into FA and someone else will get him...

I also hope he straightens things out with his family, at least for his kids sake...

 

[Patron81]

Randy is not going to kill her...but honestly she's partially responsible for bringing out the worst in him...trust me i know them both...

observing from the outside and being kind of biased in my opinions...I say they should just divorce each other...both of them live separate lives in separate states and when their lives and lifestyles overlap thats when you see the explosive and violent behavior.

Randy doesn't have an alcohol problem as much as he has a domestic or maybe anger problem but it's obvious that however he was dealing with his marriage, it's now time to take a different course of action...they've been together for a while, and from what I hear it's always been like this...so maybe it's time to part ways...

Randy's problem is that he's not the brightest guy in the world and he has to learn to keep his personal life out of the public realm and that his problems with Cawanna are going to be his undoing...

 

[Jimmy James]

Having seen two cases of domestic violence, I fully agree with Losman. In both the cases I observed, the potential for deadly force was very real. In one case, the husband and wife were fighting over their kid, punches were thrown, cars were battered, property was removed from the vehicle, etc. In the second case, a small argument over nothing combined with too much booze had the husband holding his wife over his head and dangling her feet into a campfire...had we not intervened, she would be severely burned, as he was going to drop her full body into the fire. In both cases, there was no previous history of violence.

Any cop will tell you that domestic violence is one of the most dangerous calls they go on. The intimate relationship between the two involved raises the level of anger/violence exponentially, creating a completely unpredictable situation. That McMichael has gone through this once before (while his wife was pregnant, BTW) and is facing it again is illustrating a pattern of violence towards his spouse. This is commonly enhanced by alcohol, as has happened in Randy's most recent infraction. I might also add that if Randy at any time decided to take steriods, the situation could become deadly in a hurry.

Ignoring the facts on domestic violence because the guy is a great athlete isn't doing Randy or his wife any favors. What's more, it isn't helping the public image of the NFL as a haven for thugs. Those of you who think Randy wouldn't kill his wife are simply ignorant of the way domestic violence works...anyone who gets caught up in it (man or woman) always has the potential to go too far. I swear, is there any crime a Dolphin player could commit that would make some of you no longer support him? Can some of you really not believe a player's character is important? It is kind of sickening to me.

You don't know what you're talking about when it comes to my awareness of domestic violence. The situations you describe DO NOT MATCH the facts we have about the situation Randy has found himself in either time. Reports indicated that the first situation was a mutual violence situation, and the few reports we have about this situation indicate the bloody nose involved happened when his wife was struck by an item Randy was removing from his car hit her in the nose. Witnesses also reported seeing her physically remove her from the car more than once. These facts by themselves aren't enough to tell us what we need to know about the situation, much less the chances that Randy and/or his partner may one day end up dead at the other person's hands.

 

[Jimmy James]

Randy is not going to kill her...but honestly she's partially responsible for bringing out the worst in him...trust me i know them both...

observing from the outside and being kind of biased in my opinions...I say they should just divorce each other...both of them live separate lives in separate states and when their lives and lifestyles overlap thats when you see the explosive and violent behavior.

Randy doesn't have an alcohol problem as much as he has a domestic or maybe anger problem but it's obvious that however he was dealing with his marriage, it's now time to take a different course of action...they've been together for a while, and from what I hear it's always been like this...so maybe it's time to part ways...

Randy's problem is that he's not the brightest guy in the world and he has to learn to keep his personal life out of the public realm and that his problems with Cawanna are going to be his undoing...

I can support this. It's not about denying there is a problem. I think I've been clear about my feelings on that part of the issue -- it's about these absurd overexaggerated claims being made IN PART BY OPPOSING FANS who I'm sure wouldn't be over here talking about the matter if it were some Bill in similar circumstances.

If I had the chance to send one message to Randy, it would be to get himself in control and to leave this domestic situation if he cannot live peacefully with her. It's not right for her, for him, or for anybody else involved to see this continue to crop up.

 

[Patron81]

I just hope he'll wise up and listen to the advice of teammates...coaches...agents...and family...cause he's certainly not listening to me and I've been telling him that for MONTHS lol

maybe this is what It'll take...but I'm sure he'll keep having this problems because I bet she doesn't want to divorce him until he gets the new contract :shakeno:

 

[volk]

I can support this. It's not about denying there is a problem. I think I've been clear about my feelings on that part of the issue -- it's about these absurd overexaggerated claims being made IN PART BY OPPOSING FANS who I'm sure wouldn't be over here talking about the matter if it were some Bill in similar circumstances.

If I had the chance to send one message to Randy, it would be to get himself in control and to leave this domestic situation if he cannot live peacefully with her. It's not right for her, for him, or for anybody else involved to see this continue to crop up.

This post is just rediculous. I bleed aqua and orange just like any other tried and true 'Fins fan...it has nothing to do with his team affiliation (other than the fact that it is how I was made aware of it). This is just another example of the NFL employing another dangerous thug. I'm sorry, but anyone who could hit a pregnant woman has a dangerous anger problem. You want to act like it was no big deal, that's your choice, but the statistics and facts on domestic violence are not in your favor...not even close. Will Randy kill his wife? Probably not. Could he? Statistics show it is more than possible. To approach it in any other way is ignorant or irresponsible.

 

[Phinsdude]

We honestly have the worst fans in the NFL. Hey, Zach Thomas got a speeding ticket, let's just cut ties with him. Jason Taylor tapped another boat at his dock while sipping on a Corona, let's suspend him half the season. Are you guys kidding me, do you know how passionate Randy is about football. Have you guy forgotten you're younger years. They are young, they are immature in marriage, and Randy did not, I repeat, did not Strike his wife, altercation yes, not strike or punch his wife. Randy is also not a Killer. He is our offensive weapon we need probably more then any other player, we want to win.