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Breakdown of our 05' opening day roster.
(Starters include K,P acquired by JJ and Wanny respectively)
This breakdown is for 54 players, to include Ricky Williams.

Acquired by JJ (1996-1999): 4 starters, 0 Reserves
Acquired by Wanny (2000-2003): 6 starters, 6 Reserves
Acquired by Spiels (2004): 6 starters, 6 Reserves
Acquired since Nick came onboard: 8 starters, 18 Reserves

Interesting notes.
Almost half the roster, 26, are newly acquired players.
The starting O-line is 4/5 Spielman pickups from his one year of final say.
The entire starting backfield is made up of Nick Saban pickups.
There are no offensive players left over from the JJ regime.


OFFENSE
WR Marty Booker -SPIELS
LT Damion McIntosh -SPIELS
LG Jeno James -SPIELS
C Seth McKinney -WANNY
RG Rex Hadnot -SPIELS
RT Vernon Carey -SPIELS
TE Randy McMichael -WANNY
WR Chris Chambers -WANNY
QB Gus Frerotte -NICK
HB Ronnie Brown -NICK
FB Heath Evans -NICK

DEFENSE
LE Kevin Carter -NICK
NT Keith Traylor -NICK
DT Vonnie Holliday -NICK
OE Jason Taylor -JJ
WLB Junior Seau -WANNY
MLB Zach Thomas -JJ
SLB Donnie Spragan -NICK
LCB Reggie Howard -SPIELS
RCB Sam Madison -JJ
SS Tebucky Jones -NICK
FS Yeremiah Bell -WANNY
 
Thanks for the breakdown. Really shows how JJ was inept at the O
How for being a D cordinator, there are only 3 pick-ups from wanny left
 
jnewmant said:
good observation but what's your point
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Mostly, I was curious to see what the breakdown was. Thought others might find it interesting too. It is a good reference point for those that want to argue the relative talent evaluation skills of the 4 men who built today's Miami Dolphins.

26 new players also may explain some of the preseason struggles, and the upcoming struggles the Dolphins will have.

But, almost 50% of the roster was handpicked by Saban. Hopefully, having so many of "his guys" on the team means we should get a good idea of what Nick Saban football is all about by midseason.

I'm optimistic they won't struggle too long.
 
More Saban players than Wanny players already...
 
It shows that Saban is bringing in the guys he feels will work best in his system but I don't think you can read too much into it about the various coaches and their evaluation talants, what it really shows is the high turnover rates teams have.
Compare with the Pats - they have only 5 players left (inc Tedy who isn't playing this season) from before Belichick who also started in 2000 and only 2 of his first draft of 10 are still on the roster. And even on a fairly stable team (you couldn't say they are rebuilding) with a well established coach they still have 14 new players on the team this year.
 
JJ has Thomas, Madison and Taylor on the list. He is an elite talent evaluator.
 
God, Spielman did a real good job butchering that O. line. I know it would've killed our cap to keep Ruddy, Wade, Dixon, Perry but we could've at least brought in high caliber replacements
 
Hisn'WithYour'n said:
Mostly, I was curious to see what the breakdown was. Thought others might find it interesting too. It is a good reference point for those that want to argue the relative talent evaluation skills of the 4 men who built today's Miami Dolphins.

26 new players also may explain some of the preseason struggles, and the upcoming struggles the Dolphins will have.

But, almost 50% of the roster was handpicked by Saban. Hopefully, having so many of "his guys" on the team means we should get a good idea of what Nick Saban football is all about by midseason.

I'm optimistic they won't struggle too long.
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Well, the only reason this breakdown holds less weight than it otherwise would, to me is that when a new coach comes in, he wants "his guys" on the team...JJ did the same thing when he came in....Now in Wanny's case, he had things set up per se and had to merely maintain the roster..which he did not, but that is for another thread...At any rate, this was totally expected...Saban runs an entirely different D and of course what Wanny called an offense doesn't compare with what Linehan's offense will be...We just didn't see the turnover when Wanny came on board, because it just wasn't in need of major turnover then...
 
hdjetta6316 said:
Thanks for the breakdown. Really shows how JJ was inept at the O
How for being a D cordinator, there are only 3 pick-ups from wanny left
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I wouldn't say that. JJ inherited a team that was an offensive jaugernut and piss poor on defense. So he concentrated on defense. Other then Green and Avery there aren't a whole lot of high round offensive busts on his resume and I would give him a pass on Green as noone could have known he would repeatedly blow out his knees. Avery, well that is a head scratcher. In Dallass JJ had a number of offensive draft picks that turned out just fine included several who are bound for Canton.
 
VManis said:
I wouldn't say that. JJ inherited a team that was an offensive jaugernut and piss poor on defense. So he concentrated on defense. Other then Green and Avery there aren't a whole lot of high round offensive busts on his resume and I would give him a pass on Green as noone could have known he would repeatedly blow out his knees. Avery, well that is a head scratcher. In Dallass JJ had a number of offensive draft picks that turned out just fine included several who are bound for Canton.
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JJ dismantled that Juggernaut in his first season. Replacing Eric Green with Troy Drayton, Irving Fryar with Fred Barnett, Keith Byars with Stanley Pritchett, and Terry Kirby with Jerris McPhail. The only weapon that JJ kept around for Marino was McDuffie. He failed to draft a top notch RB, or a QB of the future.

In Dallas those Canton bound picks were Aikman, which was a no brainer, Emmitt Smith, though JJ admitted to preferring Blair Thomas, and Michael Irvin was inherited. JJ was clueless about offense, and the Avery and injury prone Yatil picks only underscore that fact.

But he was an absolute genius when it came to defensive gems. He could find the starter in any round.
 
Don't look at it too much, every coach brings in his own players. Look at Wanny's D compare to Saban's D, Saban is going to play more 3-4. Wanny didn't have the players to play a 3-4, it wasn't his system.
 
Nice breakdown. Enjoyed it and very interesting that nearly half the roster in one year are Saban's guys. JJ scored big on Taylor, Thomas and Madison. He had the defense going, but could never compliment it with offensive players. Wannestedt scored on Chambers and McMichael, but like JJ simply had too many misses. Saban's first draft looks like it might be one of the best this franchise has ever had. Time will tell.
 
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