RT Daryl Williams...Why Not

[cuzinvinny]

OK FO doesn't want to go after JC. Well then how about

Daryl Williams.

Blind side tackle, definite upgrade to install and let the young guys develop and learn for the soon to be up coming seasons in which they will be needed.

Williams I think will be 30 August something. Williams also can play Guard if needed and

shouldn't be a costly hit in the money AND cap dept. I mean why the F not ? Blind side protection is pretty damn important and a solid need for us. I just don't understand with the need and cost and definite upgrade...Youngins there to backup when the 1st string starters unavailable (which WILL happen).

I could live a lot more comfortable with

Armstead
Wiliams
Deiter
Hunt
D. Williams (X-Buffalo Bill) and we wouldn't be breaking the bank. I mean I don't care how much of a superhero our Offensive coaches are especially considering they have seen the real addition of growth or non growth since they haven't had the pads on to actually shown anything.
Tired of the past 20 years of babble when the upgrade is there at a fair price.....Not much to lose and could be a huge gain...

Now him still being available does make me wonder but not like my fear of Eir. and Jackson at this time...

 

[1972forever]

He was released by the Bills over two months ago. Since he hasn’t signed anywhere yet. You have to believe he is looking to sign for more money than teams are willing to pay him or like Tretter, he has an injury which has caused teams to be hesitant to sign him.

 

[cuzinvinny]

He was released by the Bills over two months ago. Since he hasn’t signed anywhere yet. You have to believe he is looking to sign for more money than teams are willing to pay him or like Tretter, he has an injury which has caused teams to be hesitant to sign him.

Ive heard nothing of the fact of your statement. maybe true, or also maybe just a hunch. Could be many reasons for him not signing now, such as Waiting for the Bills to resign him in which I actually have heard mentioned a short while back. Injury another possibility in which I haven't heard squat about. Saw last year he not only did a good job at RT but also did a good job at G were he played in 8 games. Back and forth not so easy to do.

I think per season hes been very reliable, and IMO we NEED a solid, not unknown wishful projection RT.

20 years of not building a solid full effective OL is just insanity, especially when we have the means to easily do it and finish that area of need.

So for me, until I hear of a actual legitimate reason he shouldn't be signed, I think is silly to pass him up...JMO

I think he's our best fit but open to whoever is a quality Vet. to play RT (blind side ) and G in a pinch I mean DAHHH

 

[IHATETHEJETS]

Happy 11 year anniversary cuz

 

[1972forever]

Ive heard nothing of the fact of your statement. maybe true, or also maybe just a hunch. Could be many reasons for him not signing now, such as Waiting for the Bills to resign him in which I actually have heard mentioned a short while back. Injury another possibility in which I haven't heard squat about. Saw last year he not only did a good job at RT but also did a good job at G were he played in 8 games. Back and forth not so easy to do.

I think per season hes been very reliable, and IMO we NEED a solid, not unknown wishful projection RT.

20 years of not building a solid full effective OL is just insanity, especially when we have the means to easily do it and finish that area of need.

So for me, until I hear of a actual legitimate reason he shouldn't be signed, I think is silly to pass him up...JMO

I think he's our best fit but open to whoever is a quality Vet. to play RT (blind side ) and G in a pinch I mean DAHHH

I never claimed anything I wrote was a fact. I was just speculating as to why he might still be a free agent after being released over 2 months ago.
He is probably in no hurry to sign a contract because the season is still three months away and maybe he just wants to enjoy his time off and wait for the best offer before signing with his next team.

I looked on the internet after this thread was posted and the only teams that seem to have shown any interest in him so far are the Chiefs and Raiders. Maybe the Dolphins and other teams who are in need of a RT have contacted him but there is nothing posted at this time regarding other teams having an interest in possibly signing Williams.

 

[jimthefin]

He would certainly be an upgrade over what we have seen from Jackson and Eichenberg.

I think the new staff is waiting to see if they can squeeze some talent out of one or both before going for a semi expensive Vet.

But I would be happy to see him at RT for reasonable $$$$.

 

[MrChadRico]

OK FO doesn't want to go after JC. Well then how about

Daryl Williams.

Blind side tackle, definite upgrade to install and let the young guys develop and learn for the soon to be up coming seasons in which they will be needed.

Williams I think will be 30 August something. Williams also can play Guard if needed and

shouldn't be a costly hit in the money AND cap dept. I mean why the F not ? Blind side protection is pretty damn important and a solid need for us. I just don't understand with the need and cost and definite upgrade...Youngins there to backup when the 1st string starters unavailable (which WILL happen).

I could live a lot more comfortable with

Armstead
Wiliams
Deiter
Hunt
D. Williams (X-Buffalo Bill) and we wouldn't be breaking the bank. I mean I don't care how much of a superhero our Offensive coaches are especially considering they have seen the real addition of growth or non growth since they haven't had the pads on to actually shown anything.
Tired of the past 20 years of babble when the upgrade is there at a fair price.....Not much to lose and could be a huge gain...

Now him still being available does make me wonder but not like my fear of Eir. and Jackson at this time...

Only way I see us going into the year without adding a RT is Grier is too stubborn to give up on Jackson and Eichenburg.

We have strong as hell groups everyone else on the team (linebackers may be questionable) but the only spot that is currently trash is the RT position. Maybe Eichenburg and Jackson arnt trash anymore but they have been trash.

With the outstanding team put together to leave the one glaring weakness be the QBs blind side protection.... its just negligent.

 

[Bridgeburner]

Ive heard nothing of the fact of your statement. maybe true, or also maybe just a hunch. Could be many reasons for him not signing now, such as Waiting for the Bills to resign him in which I actually have heard mentioned a short while back. Injury another possibility in which I haven't heard squat about. Saw last year he not only did a good job at RT but also did a good job at G were he played in 8 games. Back and forth not so easy to do.

I think per season hes been very reliable, and IMO we NEED a solid, not unknown wishful projection RT.

20 years of not building a solid full effective OL is just insanity, especially when we have the means to easily do it and finish that area of need.

So for me, until I hear of a actual legitimate reason he shouldn't be signed, I think is silly to pass him up...JMO

I think he's our best fit but open to whoever is a quality Vet. to play RT (blind side ) and G in a pinch I mean DAHHH

I doubt he's going back to the Bills. He was good in 2020, but he got a big contract and then he was replaced at right tackle by a rookie in 2021 after performing poorly. They moved him inside to guard and cut him because he made too much money and didn't perform very well there either. They signed Roger Saffold to replace him. I'm wary of Bills castoffs on offensive line. Their line wasn't good last year. Allen buys a lot of time in the passing game and their running game was putrid because they couldn't move the defensive lineman they faced. Williams struggled mightily moving guys inside at guard. He had a hard time with one on one matchups. He is technically sound, but his athleticism seems to have hit the point that it's falling fast (he'll be 30 when the season starts). He's also never played the blocking scheme that SF uses and that I assume McDaniel will use here.

He may be an upgrade over the ****show we from last season, but it would be incremental and expensive for the amount of upgrade you would get. It would be a mistake to count him regardless of money so he'd be an 'in the mix' guy who doesn't want 'in the mix' money. He's likely going to wait for an injury. I'd wait and see if anyone on the roster can raise their level to sub-par before spending additional money on Williams hoping he can raise his level to sub-par.

 

[darefugee]

Maybe Coach McDaniel wants to see Eich and Jackson go up against Ingram and Ogbah before he decides. I mean, they’ll sure as hell be training against top guys. That’s gotta help.

 

[AdamD13]

Maybe Coach McDaniel wants to see Eich and Jackson go up against Ingram and Ogbah before he decides. I mean, they’ll sure as hell be training against top guys. That’s gotta help.

I agree. I think Miami will wait and see how the OL gels in preseason and pursue a vet cut if they don’t like what they see.

 

[cuzinvinny]

I agree. I think Miami will wait and see how the OL gels in preseason and pursue a vet cut if they don’t like what they see.

Ya I'm probably jumping the gun here. I have no problem with them waiting to get a better Vet with the june 1st cuts or by preseason as long as the do it. After pre season we've seen to many times, quality isn't there. Wait is fine for a better upgrade, just concerned over there being no acquisition. Feel that we can do better than Jackson or Eich. instead of throwing the dice with hopes it works... Rather a given than more words which at this time have no real credibility till they actually start hitting....One more OL man complete the offense and we have the resources and means to get one.....again FO do it !

Wonder if Eich. and Jackson were not Dolphins already, what the response would be to one of them being our RT Might see a lot more No ways

Sometimes I think that Curse of building the Stadium on Indian burial grounds is directed toward our OL...

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

Only way I see us going into the year without adding a RT is Grier is too stubborn to give up on Jackson and Eichenburg.

We have strong as hell groups everyone else on the team (linebackers may be questionable) but the only spot that is currently trash is the RT position. Maybe Eichenburg and Jackson arnt trash anymore but they have been trash.

With the outstanding team put together to leave the one glaring weakness be the QBs blind side protection.... its just negligent.

I totally agree and will add that it is actually even worse than that when you factor in that Armstead has never had a single season where he played the whole season without missing time due to an injury. Our most glaring need heading into the offseason was clearly OT, both right AND left. We have brought in a VERY injury prone stud at LT and picked up a raw UDFA at RT. We are one play away from Jackson and Liam protecting the edges and that is a recipe for disaster.

All the fun toys we have brought in for Tua to play with is a non factor if we have to play games with Liam and Austin at OT. I have been banging the drum for Daryl Williams as well and think he still might be in play as well as some other possible candidates post June first. If we can see the need I am sure the front office can see it also. It is my honest belief that the front office have someone in mind and believe someone they want is going to get the axe, June 1st. We have created the cap space and seem to be waiting for something to shake loose. I think some team is saving money to wait to cut someone June 1st and we plan to bring him in.

I also believe that Tretter is waiting as late as he can to sign because his injury needs to heal and he wants to miss as much as camp and mandatory practices as possible. I feel OT is a MUCH larger need than center although I would feel better if both were addressed. I feel there will be a move made post June first or during final cuts. June 1st is right around the corner so I guess we will see soon. The truth is we have no backup plan for an injury at OT or Center and I just have to believe this front office is too intelligent to enter the season with the status quo. Take a second and imagine that half way through the season opener vs the Cheatriots and Armstead and Deiter go down. Seriously take a second and consider that. I would probably turn off the TV and go hit some golf balls or something. I couldn't even finish watching. I might go take out a life insurance policy on Tua. His life would be in mortal danger. There are changes coming I really believe that.

 

[Feverdream]

Why not?

For a couple of reasons, I think. One, DW is sort of a tweener type. He doesn't have the quickest of feet and this is shown by the fact that his teams keep flexing him inside to Guard. In the long run, I think we are looking to have a line full of athletic, so-called 'traits-based' linemen and Williams doesn't really fit that model. He'd look good as a Guard or RT in a more power-based scheme... say Dallas or Tennessee. I don't think he really fits into the direction that we are going.

The second, and more compelling reason for me is that we have at least 5 guys on the roster who might well become EXACTLY what we are looking for, and to panic and assume that NONE of them can do an adequate job in the new scheme with better coaching, and to then spend cap space that we'll need next year for a marginal player... seems a bit weak to me.

You have to give your young players proper coaching and a real opportunity, and we just have not done that over the past two years. We've given them amateurish coaching and tried starting 4 or 5 young players all at the same time with no help. Good Lord... of course their reads have been slow, and frequently wrong.

Every team in the NFL has a couple of young players that they are counting on to improve each year, and sometimes... I think the fanbase here loses sight of this, wanting every single position to be settled and full-time starters at every position.

I would like y`all to consider what McD is describing when he speaks of his linemen; he keeps talking about linemen 'hitting their marks'... in other words, going to a set position on the play immediately, and by rote. They are teaching their linemen to think less, and to memorize more... this is a huge boon for a younger player. No thinking, just athleticism-- and our guys have that.

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

Why not?

For a couple of reasons, I think. One, DW is sort of a tweener type. He doesn't have the quickest of feet and this is shown by the fact that his teams keep flexing him inside to Guard. In the long run, I think we are looking to have a line full of athletic, so-called 'traits-based' linemen and Williams doesn't really fit that model. He'd look good as a Guard or RT in a more power-based scheme... say Dallas or Tennessee. I don't think he really fits into the direction that we are going.

The second, and more compelling reason for me is that we have at least 5 guys on the roster who might well become EXACTLY what we are looking for, and to panic and assume that NONE of them can do an adequate job in the new scheme with better coaching, and to then spend cap space that we'll need next year for a marginal player... seems a bit weak to me.

You have to give your young players proper coaching and a real opportunity, and we just have not done that over the past two years. We've given them amateurish coaching and tried starting 4 or 5 young players all at the same time with no help. Good Lord... of course their reads have been slow, and frequently wrong.

Every team in the NFL has a couple of young players that they are counting on to improve each year, and sometimes... I think the fanbase here loses sight of this, wanting every single position to be settled and full-time starters at every position.

I would like y`all to consider what McD is describing when he speaks of his linemen; he keeps talking about linemen 'hitting their marks'... in other words, going to a set position on the play immediately, and by rote. They are teaching their linemen to think less, and to memorize more... this is a huge boon for a younger player. No thinking, just athleticism-- and our guys have that.

Yes in the run game you can "hit your mark", in the pass game you are defending not attacking. The mark is the defender and he is moving. Austin Jackson does not have the ability to recognize when a defender changes direction. I have proven this in many other threads. He often doesn't even get a hand on his guy when the guy crosses his face. He will take another full step in the wrong direction before he is able to understand he is a full step out of place. This is not something that a million years of coaching by the best in the business can fix. Dallas Thomas had the same issue, and while he was a great athlete he was never able to get it together on the field, and neither will Jackson. Some people have things wrong with a body part, some like Jackson have issues with their brain. I know this from empirical data as I struggle with some of the same issues. I think they will try everything between now and the end of camp before understanding there is no hope and Jackson won't make the team.
Liam is better but has many physical issues. He can become a bad NFL starter but never a top 30 guy. He is worlds better than Jackson with room to improve but low ceiling. Diesch has a VERY high ceiling but is raw. He is our best chance but needs time. Bringing in someone like Williams seems to be a no brainer unless they have their eye on someone else. If our plan is to roll with what we have then Vegas is right, we will be a .500 team or worse.

 

[Feverdream]

Yes in the run game you can "hit your mark", in the pass game you are defending not attacking. The mark is the defender and he is moving. Austin Jackson does not have the ability to recognize when a defender changes direction. I have proven this in many other threads. He often doesn't even get a hand on his guy when the guy crosses his face. He will take another full step in the wrong direction before he is able to understand he is a full step out of place. This is not something that a million years of coaching by the best in the business can fix. Dallas Thomas had the same issue, and while he was a great athlete he was never able to get it together on the field, and neither will Jackson. Some people have things wrong with a body part, some like Jackson have issues with their brain. I know this from empirical data as I struggle with some of the same issues. I think they will try everything between now and the end of camp before understanding there is no hope and Jackson won't make the team.
Liam is better but has many physical issues. He can become a bad NFL starter but never a top 30 guy. He is worlds better than Jackson with room to improve but low ceiling. Diesch has a VERY high ceiling but is raw. He is our best chance but needs time. Bringing in someone like Williams seems to be a no brainer unless they have their eye on someone else. If our plan is to roll with what we have then Vegas is right, we will be a .500 team or worse.

You have proven exactly nothing... you have just repeatedly regurgitated your opinion.

"I have proven..." Belly Laugh!