Run heavy or Pass heavy team?

[allsilverdreams]

I was around for the Marino years as well as the Ricky Williams years.I loved Dan marching the team down the field with the flick of his wrist. But I loved watching Ricky plow over someone or beating them in a foot race.
I would love to see a RB like Ricky alongside Tua. I would love a running team with a big bruising back.
SMASH MOUTH FOOTBALL.

 

[Mach2]

I was around for the Marino years as well as the Ricky Williams years.I loved Dan marching the team down the field with the flick of his wrist. But I loved watching Ricky plow over someone or beating them in a foot race.
I would love to see a RB like Ricky alongside Tua. I would love a running team with a big bruising back.
SMASH MOUTH FOOTBALL.

Neither one resulted in any championships.

I think the lessons to be taken here are the necessity for balance, good coaching, and that it is a team game, where individual talent only gets you so far.

Sure, Marino and Ricky made regular season Sundays enjoyable. I want February......

 

[Merle13]

I agree that it is extremely important to have a pretty balanced attack on offense with slightly more emphasis on the run. If a team can consistently run the ball it puts so much more pressure on the defense and does not allow for selling out against the passing game. Setting up play action opens up big plays in passing game. Plus if you can consistently run the ball with a lead in the fourth quarter you can shorten the game.

 

[greasyObnoxious]

McDaniel's idea of "earning single high looks" for chunk plays and yac in the passing game is based on a consistent running game. that said, i don't expect to see a lop-sided run-pass ratio either.

 

[Mach2]

I agree that it is extremely important to have a pretty balanced attack on offense with slightly more emphasis on the run. If a team can consistently run the ball it puts so much more pressure on the defense and does not allow for selling out against the passing game. Setting up play action opens up big plays in passing game. Plus if you can consistently run the ball with a lead in the fourth quarter you can shorten the game.

No offense, but I think you may be posting from 1978.

Only one team last year (Eagles) were + in run play selection, with the heavy majority of teams being +58% pass plays. Hell, even the Ravens, a stalwart of balance over the years, was 56.4% pass. Ten teams were +60% pass play selection, including Rams, Chiefs and Bucs.

With the current rules, and officiating trends, it has become more of a cerebral game of game plans and execution. Simply lining up, and beating the man across from you is not really a viable plan any longer, IMO.

 

[GhostArmOfMarino]

55 to 60% pass and the rest run.

The actual percentages aren't as important as being able to do both. The passing game really opens up on 3rd and short if you can run for it consistently. The run game opens on first and second down if you pass effectively.

Just be effective. I'll be happy.

 

[Birdmond]

I believe in balance but I also don’t think a finesse team will ever rule the East. I’d like to exploit weaknesses on the opposing team and I’d like to keep my defense off the field. I like the way the Steelers played in Big Bens prime. He could throw for 350 or they could run for 200 yards. I want to be a bully that scores a bunch of points.

 

[artdnj]

I have to say outside of the Marino era watching Ricky Williams run over people was something I doubt I’ll ever forget, great times.

 

[gofins60]

I was around for the Marino years as well as the Ricky Williams years.I loved Dan marching the team down the field with the flick of his wrist. But I loved watching Ricky plow over someone or beating them in a foot race.

Neither one resulted in any championships.

No championship with Dan throwing the ball, and no championship with Ricky running the ball; you need a well-balanced offense. That's why I want BOTH! I want to see a running game that is effective even when the opponent knows you're going to run, and a passing game that can move the ball down the field in the blink of an eye. An effective running game will force defenses to crowd the line of scrimmage, opening up the passing game. An effective vertical passing game forces the defense to double team WRs, opening up the running game. If you can do both consistently, defenses will be caught trying to cover both, and that would open up the middle of the field. To be able to do this, you need a strong o-line and a QB who can throw all over the field.

Ever since Philbin was hired, Miami seemed to do the opposite of this. The o-line has been weak and barely effective, which is bad for the running game and the vertical passing game. To make matters worse, Philbin preferred a short pass-based offense emphasizing quick passes relying on yards after the catch to move the ball. However, what Philbin did actually helped opposing defenses. If your line can't block and the majority of passes are short, then all the defense has to do is crowd the box and they'll be in position to both stop the run and cut down on the yards after the catch, basically neutralizing Philbin's entire offensive philosophy. A weak o-line severely limits the offense, and this has been the common denominator during the Philbin, Gase, and Flores regimes. And, 2021 had the worst o-line of them all!

Philbin was hired for the 2012 season, and soon after started getting "his guys" for the o-line. Gase and Flores did the same. And now, after 10 years and a ton of draft picks and Free Agents, they went from having an average line under Sparano to having the worst line in the entire league under Flores. Most teams use resources to improve an o-line, while Miami uses resources to make it worse. What's the problem? Is it the players, the coaching, or the schemes? It's probably a combination of all 3, but any way you look at it something is terribly wrong in Miami when it comes to building an o-line. Personally, I blame it all on Philbin and the style of offense he brought to Miami, which IMO has continued to this day. Sparano's offense had a decent o-line but couldn't score TDs because they lacked talent at the offensive skill positions. Philbin, followed by Gase and Flores, had more talent at the skill positions, but their o-lines were bad. What I see is that if you look at this logically, the o-line went downhill starting with the introduction of Philbin's short pass-based offense. I've said it before and I'll say it again; short pass-based offenses may have some success elsewhere, but they DON'T work in Miami.

 

[Ray R]

I believe in balance but I also don’t think a finesse team will ever rule the East. I’d like to exploit weaknesses on the opposing team and I’d like to keep my defense off the field. I like the way the Steelers played in Big Bens prime. He could throw for 350 or they could run for 200 yards. I want to be a bully that scores a bunch of points.

To borrow an old baseball expression - "hit 'em where they ain't" pretty much says that.

We want both a strong running game and a strong passing game so that we can switch between them based on our opposing teams weaknesses and strengths.

What may be getting lost in this message is that our defense has to be equally effective at stopping both the run and the pass.

In the end, without good game planning, we are stuck with who we put on the field. We either use our players effectively on offense and defense or we will not have much of a chance at winning games.

 

[Fin-Loco]

I was around for the Marino years as well as the Ricky Williams years.I loved Dan marching the team down the field with the flick of his wrist. But I loved watching Ricky plow over someone or beating them in a foot race.
I would love to see a RB like Ricky alongside Tua. I would love a running team with a big bruising back.
SMASH MOUTH FOOTBALL.

 

[Merle13]

Well I guess I am a little old school at that I don’t disagree with your points but I do think a team’s personal should dictate which side of the 50/50 balance line you fall on. The lack of run game we have had over the last many years has me longing for a dominant run offense to take the pressure of the QB and defense. No matter how good the defense is when you string several 3 and outs together over the course of the game your defense gets tired and suffers. Now if you got a Rogers, Mahomas, or Brady then certainly the passing game should dominate but even then you got to run the ball successfully. Just not that many elite QB’s out there.

 

[1972forever]

I was around for the Marino years as well as the Ricky Williams years.I loved Dan marching the team down the field with the flick of his wrist. But I loved watching Ricky plow over someone or beating them in a foot race.
I would love to see a RB like Ricky alongside Tua. I would love a running team with a big bruising back.
SMASH MOUTH FOOTBALL.

I preferred a balanced attack. 50/50 run and pass.

 

[John813]

Just need to be efficient no matter what's called.

Need a passing game that can make the safeties respect the deep threat and a run game that can finish off the clock in the 4th.

 

[tay0365]

This will be an offense that puts on their skates. Some of the play calls that were done in San Fran were nothing less then Genius.

If there is one thing I will expect with this new offense, it will be to expect the unexpected.

We are going to see a lot of runs, and they will be pretty exotic and innovative, but by the end of the game, defenses will find out the run continually soften them us, but it was the pass the killed them again, and again, and yet again.

People that continually underestimate Tua are in for an extremely rude awakening, and I hope some of those tougher teams that underestimate Tua, play Tua early.

I also think there will be games where it will have to be mostly run (Huge winds, terrible weather, much better Pass-D the Run-D), and there will be Games where Miami will have to pass far more (Shootout with good passing team, while Miami D is off, playing team with much better run-D then pass-D).

Miami needs to be equally good running as passing, and then challenge teams to pick their poison.