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How bad was the Miami team Saban took over? In my opinion, they were absolutely terrible. How bright did the future look for the young players he inherited? Even worse. Five years of bad drafts and poor choices in free agency put Miami in a situation where they had plenty of bad contracts and too few talented young players.

Add to that the fact that he took over a team which had just traded a second and a third for A.J. Feeley and Lamar Gordon. Yikes.

That was and remains the reality of this situation. Regardless of how irrational everyone wants to be, this is a five year plan. Not a two year plan.

We have talented young players on this team right now. Ronnie Brown. Channing Crowder. Travis Daniels. Jason Allen. Derek Hagan. Kevin Vickerson. Fred Evans. Roderique Wright. Matt Roth. Anthony Alibi. Joe Toledo. Marcus Vick.

Like Saban always says, we are in a result oriented society. Patience has become a foreign concept in sports.

The bottom line is that when Saban took over, I saw a five year plan. Year one and two, simply acquire talent and push out the bad contracts and underachievers. Year three, push for a playoff spot. Year four, go deep into the playoffs. Year five, become a serious Super Bowl contender.

Nothing so far this season makes me worry at all. Nick has a plan. I saw it when he took over. No need to rush him, seems like it is going just fine to me.
 
For the most part, I agree with your post. I do have to admit that I am concerned by Saban's personnel decisions this past offseason. It seems every move has backfired on us.

1. Culpepper: Apparently, he was not healthy enough to play. It may have just been an outright mistake to choose him over Brees.

2. Mularkey: Buffalo fans had moaned and complained about this guy and his inexplicable playcalling. It's the same story so far here.

3. LJ Shelton: He was a big waste of talent when he was in Arizona and Cleveland. It's the same story so far here.

4. Jason Allen: At the time he was picked, I thought he was very talented, but definitely a reach and preferred Manny Lawson at #16. So far, he can barely get on the field even in our prevent defense.

5. Bennie Anderson: Flunked out in Buffalo because he was sluggish and got his quarterbacks killed. Same story here.

I still support Saban, but you have to be a least somewhat disturbed by what appears to be a complete failure of an offseason in 2006.
 
Remember when negotiating it was reported that Huizenga only wanted to sign Saban for 3 years with a one year option, and that saban told him 5 years or no deal. Maybe Saban knew then it was gonna take longer and we were in deeper trouble than most others thought ?
 
then how do you regress from 9-7 with a load of players you brought in to improve the woeful 2004 teams performance?

I liked Saban at first, but he needs to step it up now.
 
Beachbum said:
Remember when negotiating it was reported that Huizenga only wanted to sign Saban for 3 years with a one year option, and that saban told him 5 years or no deal. Maybe Saban knew then it was gonna take longer and we were in deeper trouble than most others thought ?
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It was pretty obvious to everyone except casual football fans that Miami's problems weren't fixable with just a Band-Aid and a year or two. Saban was right to get a five year deal, and Huizenga was right to give it to him.

The worst I can say about Saban's job performance this year is that he didn't properly manage expectations going into the season.

MoFinz said:
then how do you regress from 9-7 with a load of players you brought in to improve the woeful 2004 teams performance?
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By having the 2005 squad overachieve. Everyone forgets that we were 3-10 before the win streak.
 
NashPhin said:
For the most part, I agree with your post. I do have to admit that I am concerned by Saban's personnel decisions this past offseason. It seems every move has backfired on us.

1. Culpepper: Apparently, he was not healthy enough to play. It may have just been an outright mistake to choose him over Brees.

2. Mularkey: Buffalo fans had moaned and complained about this guy and his inexplicable playcalling. It's the same story so far here.

3. LJ Shelton: He was a big waste of talent when he was in Arizona and Cleveland. It's the same story so far here.

4. Jason Allen: At the time he was picked, I thought he was very talented, but definitely a reach and preferred Manny Lawson at #16. So far, he can barely get on the field even in our prevent defense.

5. Bennie Anderson: Flunked out in Buffalo because he was sluggish and got his quarterbacks killed. Same story here.

I still support Saban, but you have to be a least somewhat disturbed by what appears to be a complete failure of an offseason in 2006.
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You can only choose from the players that are availble, and thats what was available at the time and everyone thought that the players he picked up on the o-line was an upgrade over what we had last year, but that has not turned out to be the case, we do have young talent but they aren't seeing the field because of all of the veterans, which I think will begin to change if we lose 1-2 more games. This turnaround is a process, and it does not happen overnight, now if its year 4-5 in saban's tenure and we are still dreadful, then I'll be the driver of the saban must go bandwagon.
 
Desides said:
It was pretty obvious to everyone except casual football fans that Miami's problems weren't fixable with just a Band-Aid and a year or two. Saban was right to get a five year deal, and Huizenga was right to give it to him.

The worst I can say about Saban's job performance this year is that he didn't properly manage expectations going into the season.



By having the 2005 squad overachieve. Everyone forgets that we were 3-10 before the win streak.
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Stop making sense........
 
Good thread and good posts, all you guys are making sense. Saban SHOULD have a five year plan, this team was WAY worse off than any of us realized when Saban took over. Wannspiel put this team in a world of hurt that WILL take 3-5 years to straighten out.

However, Saban needs to start teaching these guys more discipline, and manage the game way better, the delay of game penaly on that field goal is just inexcusable.
 
Ghetti13 said:
How bad was the Miami team Saban took over? In my opinion, they were absolutely terrible. How bright did the future look for the young players he inherited? Even worse. Five years of bad drafts and poor choices in free agency put Miami in a situation where they had plenty of bad contracts and too few talented young players.

Add to that the fact that he took over a team which had just traded a second and a third for A.J. Feeley and Lamar Gordon. Yikes.

That was and remains the reality of this situation. Regardless of how irrational everyone wants to be, this is a five year plan. Not a two year plan.

We have talented young players on this team right now. Ronnie Brown. Channing Crowder. Travis Daniels. Jason Allen. Derek Hagan. Kevin Vickerson. Fred Evans. Roderique Wright. Matt Roth. Anthony Alibi. Joe Toledo. Marcus Vick.

Like Saban always says, we are in a result oriented society. Patience has become a foreign concept in sports.

The bottom line is that when Saban took over, I saw a five year plan. Year one and two, simply acquire talent and push out the bad contracts and underachievers. Year three, push for a playoff spot. Year four, go deep into the playoffs. Year five, become a serious Super Bowl contender.

Nothing so far this season makes me worry at all. Nick has a plan. I saw it when he took over. No need to rush him, seems like it is going just fine to me.
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Agree 100% with you, i just think its hard for Dolphans to deal with consecutive losing seasons cause we have been spoiled for so long, all i would say is its been 30+ since we won a superbowl, and nearly 14 years since we were close to getting to one.

Five years is fair but the problem is it will take some really thick skin from both Saban, Mueller, and Huzingea to fight off the dogs of the media, and some of the fickle dolphin fans who need to see a win now. Be patient suport your team through thick and thin, getting rid of a coach before 5 years sets you back even further, look at Buffalo.
 
westernnyphinfa said:
Agree 100% with you, i just think its hard for Dolphans to deal with consecutive losing seasons cause we have been spoiled for so long, all i would say is its been 30+ since we won a superbowl, and nearly 14 years since we were close to getting to one.

Five years is fair but the problem is it will take some really thick skin from both Saban, Mueller, and Huzingea to fight off the dogs of the media, and some of the fickle dolphin fans who need to see a win now. Be patient suport your team through thick and thin, getting rid of a coach before 5 years sets you back even further, look at Buffalo.
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Interesting...how come we never hear from the highly-regarded Randy Mueller?

Isn't he part of this process?
 
Ghetti13 said:
How bad was the Miami team Saban took over? In my opinion, they were absolutely terrible. How bright did the future look for the young players he inherited? Even worse. Five years of bad drafts and poor choices in free agency put Miami in a situation where they had plenty of bad contracts and too few talented young players.

Add to that the fact that he took over a team which had just traded a second and a third for A.J. Feeley and Lamar Gordon. Yikes.

That was and remains the reality of this situation. Regardless of how irrational everyone wants to be, this is a five year plan. Not a two year plan.

We have talented young players on this team right now. Ronnie Brown. Channing Crowder. Travis Daniels. Jason Allen. Derek Hagan. Kevin Vickerson. Fred Evans. Roderique Wright. Matt Roth. Anthony Alibi. Joe Toledo. Marcus Vick.

Like Saban always says, we are in a result oriented society. Patience has become a foreign concept in sports.

The bottom line is that when Saban took over, I saw a five year plan. Year one and two, simply acquire talent and push out the bad contracts and underachievers. Year three, push for a playoff spot. Year four, go deep into the playoffs. Year five, become a serious Super Bowl contender.

Nothing so far this season makes me worry at all. Nick has a plan. I saw it when he took over. No need to rush him, seems like it is going just fine to me.
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YES!!!!!!!!!!
 
MoFinz said:
then how do you regress from 9-7 with a load of players you brought in to improve the woeful 2004 teams performance?

I liked Saban at first, but he needs to step it up now.
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C'mon, we didn't really play anybody of note except for San Diego, who obviously did not take us seriously. And we struggled to beat NE. The same reasoning that other team fans were using to downplay our 6 game win streak and which we dismissed must obviously be more true than we wanted to believe. We had an efficient QB, who didn't make a lot of mistakes, we had two good RBs and our defense played solid. That translates to some wins especially against mostly inferior opponents.

Now we have QBs that turn the ball over, and less than ideal production from our RB, and our D gives up too many big plays. The recipe is not there from last year, even though I believe we are more talented. We have a little ways to go. I am just hoping that we can fix some of the mental errors going forward and get back to basics so that the young players can start to learn what it takes to win.
 
Beachbum said:
Remember when negotiating it was reported that Huizenga only wanted to sign Saban for 3 years with a one year option, and that saban told him 5 years or no deal. Maybe Saban knew then it was gonna take longer and we were in deeper trouble than most others thought ?
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its all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
 
Players 28 and younger still on the team from the Wannstedt era:

Vernon Carey (25 years old)
Chris Chambers (28 years old)
Randy McMichael (27 years old)
Wes Welker (25 years old)
Rex Hadnot (24 years old)
Seth McKinney (27 years old)
Yeremiah Bell (28 years old)
Travis Minor (27 years old)
Derrick Pope (24 years old)
Eddie Jackson (26 years old in December)

Wannstedt was here for 5 years, this should be the core of our team. How many of these players are even worth keeping? How many of these players are even starting material? IMO, Vernon Carey is the most likely to stick and is the best of the group. He's by far the biggest bright spot on the offensive line.
 
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