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Russell Wilson could have been a Miami Dolphin

Eh, not falling for it. I'm sure a lot of teams said the same thing about him - short, small hands etc. We did just fine. It's not like we took Pat White or something.
 
JC said:
The "plug Wilson into Miami" or "plug Tannehill into Seattle" argument is irrelevant.

Both offenses are built around the player's skill set. Seattle has thrived with Wilson's ability to make key plays when it mattered. 800-some rushing yards for Wilson was a huge part of Seattle's success this year. Wilson's ability to hit open targets and be accurate downfield is another working aspect of that offense.

I love Tannehill, but in three years, he has yet to show an ability to turn an incredibly ****ty play into a fantastic one like Wilson does all the time.

Tannehill does not have the in-pocket mobility that Wilson does.

Tanehill is the better overall passer, and in an offense that is catered more towards the passing game I'd pick Tannehill.

Seattle's coaching staff is also way better than Miami's, so there's that.
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First off, thank you for bringing some sense into this thread . . . . because this has turned into another Tannehill love/hate fest . . . and SOS is quoting himself and bashing himself and I'm not sure if somebody hacked his account or he is just not placing the right name in the quotes and I'm too lazy to go back more than a page or two to figure out what happened :confused:

You hit the nail on the head though . . . . it's not about just dropping one QB out of one team/system and placing him in another and thinking the verdict is that easy to see . . . . just watch the 2 guys plays. It is much much clearer that Russell Wilson is a better QB 3 years into their careers. He plays the position better, he has more experience, he embraces the pocket and makes plays inside and outside the pocket with a natural feel. Tannehill does not have that and Lazor put the read option on him because it literally was the only way that Tannehill would move out the pocket . . . it's a split second decision to run/pass . . . where as if he's in the pocket for more than that "split second" he still looks uncomfortable when pressure is coming (although it seems to be slowly improving). We questioned for 2 years and change on why Tannehill doesn't use his athletic ability more in the pocket . . . . that pocket comfort is just something that comes natural to a QB and takes continuous reps at the position to learn, and even then you may just never be as good as the next guy at it.

He's getting better, I think that is clear, and let's not underestimate him only having 2 years of QB experience at the college level while Russell Wilson was a 5th year senior and I completely agree on the coaching staff . . . although many people would tell you that Tannehill had an advantage with Mike Sherman here his first 2 years. Of course we all know Sherman was an idiot but the love for him was pretty great at first . . . hell it was reasoning for people to justify Tannehill with the 8 pick.

Tannehill's ball placement was such an issue the first 2 years and 4 games but it definitely clicked after that and he became better. His deep ball timing still needs work. I just think we have to go into next year and see just how much of a step he takes.

I get that Seattle has a better team, but let's not pretend that if Matt Flynn or TJax was starting for them they would have all of this success . . . Russell is the BIGGEST difference maker on that team and is the BIGGEST reason that team is in the Super Bowl back to back years. People need to get out of denial with him because that dude can ball.

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And lulz @ Armando bringing this up . . . I guess Jeff Ireland has stopped throwing him bread crumbs.
 
Kdawg954 said:
First off, thank you for bringing some sense into this thread . . . . because this has turned into another Tannehill love/hate fest . . . and SOS is quoting himself and bashing himself and I'm not sure if somebody hacked his account or he is just not placing the right name in the quotes and I'm too lazy to go back more than a page or two to figure out what happened :confused:

You hit the nail on the head though . . . . it's not about just dropping one QB out of one team/system and placing him in another and thinking the verdict is that easy to see . . . . just watch the 2 guys plays. It is much much clearer that Russell Wilson is a better QB 3 years into their careers. He plays the position better, he has more experience, he embraces the pocket and makes plays inside and outside the pocket with a natural feel. Tannehill does not have that and Lazor put the read option on him because it literally was the only way that Tannehill would move out the pocket . . . it's a split second decision to run/pass . . . where as if he's in the pocket for more than that "split second" he still looks uncomfortable when pressure is coming (although it seems to be slowly improving). We questioned for 2 years and change on why Tannehill doesn't use his athletic ability more in the pocket . . . . that pocket comfort is just something that comes natural to a QB and takes continuous reps at the position to learn, and even then you may just never be as good as the next guy at it.

He's getting better, I think that is clear, and let's not underestimate him only having 2 years of QB experience at the college level while Russell Wilson was a 5th year senior and I completely agree on the coaching staff . . . although many people would tell you that Tannehill had an advantage with Mike Sherman here his first 2 years. Of course we all know Sherman was an idiot but the love for him was pretty great at first . . . hell it was reasoning for people to justify Tannehill with the 8 pick.

Tannehill's ball placement was such an issue the first 2 years and 4 games but it definitely clicked after that and he became better. His deep ball timing still needs work. I just think we have to go into next year and see just how much of a step he takes.

I get that Seattle has a better team, but let's not pretend that if Matt Flynn or TJax was starting for them they would have all of this success . . . Russell is the BIGGEST difference maker on that team and is the BIGGEST reason that team is in the Super Bowl back to back years. People need to get out of denial with him because that dude can ball.

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And lulz @ Armando bringing this up . . . I guess Jeff Ireland has stopped throwing him bread crumbs.
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i agree w all this, I'm just suggesting that it's not as if we completely crapped the bed or something. Wilson has the "it" intangibles that are so rare. He really is a special football player.
 
royalshank said:
i agree w all this, I'm just suggesting that it's not as if we completely crapped the bed or something. Wilson has the "it" intangibles that are so rare. He really is a special football player.
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Dude, have you seen our QB's since Dan Marino :lol:

The fact that we have a guy who is going to be a 4th year starter, putting up quality numbers and is trying to be the face of the franchise is so foreign to many of us . . . it's hard to embrace it because we aren't used to it. People whiff all the time on QB's . . . Ryan Tannehill is not a whiff, not even close (You wanna see whiffs, check out the 2011 draft). I just hope this "high ceiling" we all knew he had when we drafted him continues to need a taller ladder to reach.
 
If Tannehill were developed in Seattle, I think he'd be significantly better than he is today. Most people had concerns about Wilson's height. I was one of them. I do think that Wilson would still be better than Tannehill, because his intangibles are off the charts, and he'd thrive in Lazor's offense, but Seattle has done a masterful job of developing Wilson. Miami has done a mediocre job developing Tannehill.

So, while this is fun and interesting, it's just too difficult to project how Wilson would have developed. The talk about all the help he gets on offense is complete bull**** (Wilson's 570 combined rushing and passing attempts are 37 less than Philip Rivers combine attempts on the season, and Rivers was an MVP favorite early in the season), but they've balanced his workload perfectly - slowly giving him more responsibility. Wilson's one of the six or seven best QB's in the NFL, and he deserves a ton of credit, but the Seahawks also deserve a ton of credit - not for hiding him but developing him. If Seattle developed Tannehill the same way, he may have been as good. It's hard to say. I doubt it, but it's plausible.

But when I hear Miami posters say that Tannehill is better today than Wilson, I get a good laugh.
 
Kdawg954 said:
First off, thank you for bringing some sense into this thread . . . . because this has turned into another Tannehill love/hate fest . . . and SOS is quoting himself and bashing himself and I'm not sure if somebody hacked his account or he is just not placing the right name in the quotes and I'm too lazy to go back more than a page or two to figure out what happened :confused:

You hit the nail on the head though . . . . it's not about just dropping one QB out of one team/system and placing him in another and thinking the verdict is that easy to see . . . . just watch the 2 guys plays. It is much much clearer that Russell Wilson is a better QB 3 years into their careers. He plays the position better, he has more experience, he embraces the pocket and makes plays inside and outside the pocket with a natural feel. Tannehill does not have that and Lazor put the read option on him because it literally was the only way that Tannehill would move out the pocket . . . it's a split second decision to run/pass . . . where as if he's in the pocket for more than that "split second" he still looks uncomfortable when pressure is coming (although it seems to be slowly improving). We questioned for 2 years and change on why Tannehill doesn't use his athletic ability more in the pocket . . . . that pocket comfort is just something that comes natural to a QB and takes continuous reps at the position to learn, and even then you may just never be as good as the next guy at it.

He's getting better, I think that is clear, and let's not underestimate him only having 2 years of QB experience at the college level while Russell Wilson was a 5th year senior and I completely agree on the coaching staff . . . although many people would tell you that Tannehill had an advantage with Mike Sherman here his first 2 years. Of course we all know Sherman was an idiot but the love for him was pretty great at first . . . hell it was reasoning for people to justify Tannehill with the 8 pick.

Tannehill's ball placement was such an issue the first 2 years and 4 games but it definitely clicked after that and he became better. His deep ball timing still needs work. I just think we have to go into next year and see just how much of a step he takes.

I get that Seattle has a better team, but let's not pretend that if Matt Flynn or TJax was starting for them they would have all of this success . . . Russell is the BIGGEST difference maker on that team and is the BIGGEST reason that team is in the Super Bowl back to back years. People need to get out of denial with him because that dude can ball.

---------- Post added at 04:51 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:50 AM ----------

And lulz @ Armando bringing this up . . . I guess Jeff Ireland has stopped throwing him bread crumbs.
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I somewhat agree to this. Russell Wilson is a very good QB for his time in the league and will likely continue to develop like RT will. We will see what history has in store for both of these guys. However, to say Russell Wilson is the BIGGEST reason that team is in the Superbowl for a 2nd year in a row is going way too far. An outstanding running game and one of the best defenses we have seen in the last 10 years is why that team is in back to back Superbowls. Wilson does his part......but he certainly isn't the "BIGGEST" reason for their success.
 
I still cannot believe the team passed on Drew Brees twice and Aaron Rodgers. Those sting. Not this one. This article is never written if the Packers could have handled an onside kick or knocked down a dead duck two point conversion.
 
datruth55 said:
If anyone thinks Wilson would have been as successful here as he is in Seattle I've got water front property in the Sahara to sell you lol.
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If anyone thinks that Tannehill has been more successful in Miami than Russell Wilson would have been, I have got water front property in the Sahara to sell you.
 
Flip Tanneflop said:
If anyone thinks that Tannehill has been more successful in Miami than Russell Wilson would have been, I have got water front property in the Sahara to sell you.
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I really hope you're not a in charge of teaching kids geography.
 
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Russell Wilson would have sucked on the Miami Dolphins. He is in a great program with the best defense since the 2000 Ravens. If Tannehill was a Seahawk he would have a ring as well. And then some.
 
Flip Tanneflop said:
If anyone thinks that Tannehill has been more successful in Miami than Russell Wilson would have been, I have got water front property in the Sahara to sell you.
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I don't think anyone in their right mind would say that, nor even imply it. Hell, no one has said that. Wilson fits Seattle perfectly.
 
wasn't bob on board with jay feeley at one time? meh....

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seattle didn't know what they had with Wilson either, they just took a flier on the guy. This is of course after they signed a big name FA before the draft to handle the QB duties.
j-off-her-doll said:
If Tannehill were developed in Seattle, I think he'd be significantly better than he is today. Most people had concerns about Wilson's height. I was one of them. I do think that Wilson would still be better than Tannehill, because his intangibles are off the charts, and he'd thrive in Lazor's offense, but Seattle has done a masterful job of developing Wilson. Miami has done a mediocre job developing Tannehill.

So, while this is fun and interesting, it's just too difficult to project how Wilson would have developed. The talk about all the help he gets on offense is complete bull**** (Wilson's 570 combined rushing and passing attempts are 37 less than Philip Rivers combine attempts on the season, and Rivers was an MVP favorite early in the season), but they've balanced his workload perfectly - slowly giving him more responsibility. Wilson's one of the six or seven best QB's in the NFL, and he deserves a ton of credit, but the Seahawks also deserve a ton of credit - not for hiding him but developing him. If Seattle developed Tannehill the same way, he may have been as good. It's hard to say. I doubt it, but it's plausible.

But when I hear Miami posters say that Tannehill is better today than Wilson, I get a good laugh.
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March 18, 2012: Adam Schefter of ESPN reports via his Twitter that the Seahawks have agreed to terms on three-year contract with former Packers' backup quarterback Matt Flynn. The deal is reportedly worth $26 million with $10 million guaranteed.
 
Kdawg954 said:
First off, thank you for bringing some sense into this thread . . . . because this has turned into another Tannehill love/hate fest . . . and SOS is quoting himself and bashing himself and I'm not sure if somebody hacked his account or he is just not placing the right name in the quotes and I'm too lazy to go back more than a page or two to figure out what happened :confused:

You hit the nail on the head though . . . . it's not about just dropping one QB out of one team/system and placing him in another and thinking the verdict is that easy to see . . . . just watch the 2 guys plays. It is much much clearer that Russell Wilson is a better QB 3 years into their careers. He plays the position better, he has more experience, he embraces the pocket and makes plays inside and outside the pocket with a natural feel. Tannehill does not have that and Lazor put the read option on him because it literally was the only way that Tannehill would move out the pocket . . . it's a split second decision to run/pass . . . where as if he's in the pocket for more than that "split second" he still looks uncomfortable when pressure is coming (although it seems to be slowly improving). We questioned for 2 years and change on why Tannehill doesn't use his athletic ability more in the pocket . . . . that pocket comfort is just something that comes natural to a QB and takes continuous reps at the position to learn, and even then you may just never be as good as the next guy at it.

He's getting better, I think that is clear, and let's not underestimate him only having 2 years of QB experience at the college level while Russell Wilson was a 5th year senior and I completely agree on the coaching staff . . . although many people would tell you that Tannehill had an advantage with Mike Sherman here his first 2 years. Of course we all know Sherman was an idiot but the love for him was pretty great at first . . . hell it was reasoning for people to justify Tannehill with the 8 pick.

Tannehill's ball placement was such an issue the first 2 years and 4 games but it definitely clicked after that and he became better. His deep ball timing still needs work. I just think we have to go into next year and see just how much of a step he takes.

I get that Seattle has a better team, but let's not pretend that if Matt Flynn or TJax was starting for them they would have all of this success . . . Russell is the BIGGEST difference maker on that team and is the BIGGEST reason that team is in the Super Bowl back to back years. People need to get out of denial with him because that dude can ball.

---------- Post added at 04:51 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:50 AM ----------

And lulz @ Armando bringing this up . . . I guess Jeff Ireland has stopped throwing him bread crumbs.
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Yes to most of your post, but NO! The DEFENSE is the BIGGEST reason that team is in the Super Bowl again. The team gave up 3, 3, 14, 7, 6, 6 points in the last 6 games of the season. They also embarrassed the **** out of Denver's highest powered offense in the history of the NFL last year because of their defense. Let's not pretend that having a once in a generation defense two straight years is not the BIGGEST reason to be in back to back Super Bowls.

Wilson is really good and fits the Seattle system perfectly. He's accurate, makes plays on his own, find the right plays and never gives up. That what you ask for in a championship caliber QB. But they would not be in the Super Bowl again if not for a defense that allowed 3 points and 3 first downs in the second half of the NFC championship game to give their offense plenty of chances to make an amazing comeback, a fake kick for a TD, a 24 yard Marshawn TD, and an improbably onside recovery. Wilson is exceptional, but Seattle is great because of their defense.

And the BIGGEST difference maker is Marshawn. The guy completely took over the game at the end which caused GB to stack the box giving Wilson a chance to do what he does best and hit a great deep ball. There is no knock on Wilson, his game has been great and he fits Seattle perfectly. That's a complete team and every player works together to get it done. Wilson is a top 10 QB because he's a playmaker and does what he has to to put his team in the right spot consistently. That's the mark of a great QB who works with above average WRs, but no true #1 guy. He's fortunate to be on a team that can overcome an uncharacteristic 4 INTs in the NFC championship game.
 
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