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Ryan Tannehill 2013: QB Pressure, Completion %, Deep Passing, & YPA Statistics

slk018 said:
Why do I get this mental image of finfanbuffalo, 2413, and a couple others holding hands following tannehill around town like lost puppies??
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you could say shouright and wv and a few others sit around and beat off to a Ryan tannehill sack YouTube compilation video....
 
Gravity said:
The evidence on that issue is mixed.

Regardless, for the sake of argument, let's attribute all of the sacks to the blocking. What effect did that have on Tannehill's individual performance, in objective terms?
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FinfanInBuffalo said:
It has an effect on the team's performance by putting the team in poor down and distance situations.
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I think it's clear at this point that you have nothing objective to support the idea the sacks the team took affected Tannehill individually.

You're not alone. No one else has anything either, which makes the issue of sacks with regard to Tannehill individually moot for all intents and purposes.
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
Clearly you prefer a proven flawed analysis to several posted links to thorough objective analyses by much more reputable sources.
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You mean the ones that missed the mark, but which you thought were on-target because you once again misunderstood what you were responding to?
 
Funny. I would be willing to bet I hate Brady more than anyone in here.. In fact I was in viper chat wishing season ending injury on him yesterday.. Ps can we say jerking off on here??
 
hey shouright...why do u spend all this time picking apart tannehill stats when u say u can win a Superbowl without a stellar qb?

Number two is that -- contrary to popular belief -- you don't need a stellar QB to win a Super Bowl. In three of the last 9 Super Bowls, the winning QB had a poorer QB rating than the average QB in the league.

For four of the remaining six Super Bowl winners, the QB rating was below 90. Only Peyton Manning in 2006 and Tom Brady in 2004 had QB ratings above 90.

Third, a very poor QB (defined as a QB with a rating well below average) can win you a Super Bowl only if you have other areas of the team that play at a very high level. For example, the past year's Steelers, with Ben Roethlisberger performing below average in terms of QB rating, had the best defense in the league. And of course the 2000 Baltimore Ravens, with Trent Dilfer, had an elite defense and a very good running game.
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26 of 73 NFL champs since 1940 finished No. 1 in Passer Rating Differential (36%); 44 finished in the Top 3 in PRD (60%) and 69 finished in the Top 10 (95%).

Suffice it to say, it would probably be a good idea to be in the top ten.
 
Gravity said:
I think it's clear at this point that you have nothing objective to support the idea the sacks the team took affected Tannehill individually.

You're not alone. No one else has anything either, which makes the issue of sacks with regard to Tannehill individually moot for all intents and purposes.
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This would all be real interesting if football were not a team sport or if it were a statistical simulation. As it stands it is a team game and sacks hurt the team's chances to score (as the link I posted in another thread showed).

As I have said (what seems like a hundred times) earlier in this thread, you are looking for correlations that don't exist.
 
Shouright (Gravity), how exactly are the terms "adjusted" and "net" used in the last few columns. The exactly meaning here is unclear. Thx...
 
FinfanInBuffalo said:
This would all be real interesting if football were not a team sport or if it were a statistical simulation. As it stands it is a team game and sacks hurt the team's chances to score (as the link I posted in another thread showed).

As I have said (what seems like a hundred times) earlier in this thread, you are looking for correlations that don't exist.
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Like I've said before, I have no qualms with the idea that sacks on both sides of the ball (and not just one side of the ball or the other) are significant in terms of winning.

However, that's a long, long way from having objective support for the idea that Ryan Tannehill would play better, individually, if he were sacked less.
 
Nawledge said:
hey shouright...why do u spend all this time picking apart tannehill stats when u say u can win a Superbowl without a stellar qb?
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That is just "perception." I don't think he tries to attack Tannehill at all...the stats just present picture some do not like. In other words, "don't shoot the messenger." Tannehill isn't that great...but we don't expect him to be...YET. If he performs the same next year, I would be looking to draft someone the next year.
 
Dr. Phin said:
That is just "perception." I don't think he tries to attack Tannehill at all...the stats just present picture some do not like. In other words, "don't shoot the messenger." Tannehill isn't that great...but we don't expect him to be...YET. If he performs the same next year, I would be looking to draft someone the next year.
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I wish everybody would have this same mindset.

No 2nd year qb is great, but by year 3 they better start heading that way.
 
Dr. Phin said:
That is just "perception." I don't think he tries to attack Tannehill at all...the stats just present picture some do not like. In other words, "don't shoot the messenger." Tannehill isn't that great...but we don't expect him to be...YET. If he performs the same next year, I would be looking to draft someone the next year.
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every thread he makes is a tannehill thread with stats. I agree he's not great, I never said he was but shouright puts too much stock into stats.
 
Dr. Phin said:
That is just "perception." I don't think he tries to attack Tannehill at all...the stats just present picture some do not like. In other words, "don't shoot the messenger." Tannehill isn't that great...but we don't expect him to be...YET. If he performs the same next year, I would be looking to draft someone the next year.
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Phinatic8u said:
I wish everybody would have this same mindset.
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Same here.
 
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