Looking forward to seeing it. Unfortunately those tables register on the site only in the original post of a thread. They don't translate in later posts for some reason.
Ryan Tannehill 2013: QB Pressure, Completion %, Deep Passing, & YPA Statistics
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2413fanphins
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I have it on a spreadsheet in microsoft works, but that .xlr file or whatever it is, is an invalid file and wont load to the FH site... any ideas?
You keep failing to answer it directly.
You also failed to address this bizarre contradiction:
or the fact that your beliefs are in contrast to what happens in the NFL and specifically what happened with the OL and OC changes on the Dolphins this season.
I believe they're inconsistent. "Wildly" is a matter of interpretation.
I don't view that as a contradiction, personally.
Well rest assured that if those changes don't (or can't) bring about the necessary improvement in the QB, there will be a QB change in the near future, as well. Obviously they're going to pull out all the stops to try to make good on a #9 overall pick at a key position, who can still be considered to be in his developmental period. They aren't going to get rid of the QB at this point.
You'll have to clarify what you mean by "what happens in the NFL." I don't know what that means.
2413fanphins
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so about how you made that chart...
Well I don't believe they are as inconsistent as the year to year variation indicates. I believe the year to year variation is, in large part, caused by changes in the team around them. That belief is consistent with the opinions of professional coverage of the sport. Brady's drop off this season is a direct result of depleted/new receiving corp. That opinion is shared by every report that covered the situation in NE this season.
If the roles of other players have a great deal to do with the functioning of the QB, how can their play have no significant effect on the QBs measured performance?
If the OL and OC weren't problems, they wouldn't have made those changes.
If the other players on offense were as insignificant as you described, it would make no sense to draft players at those positions high in the draft or pay them highly. Why not lineup a group of undrafted free agents on the OL?
That can sure be true, but if it's objectively supported that such variation occurs within a significantly higher YPA range for good QBs than for not-so-good QBs, why would that shift the primary focus off of the QB? Why wouldn't the emphasis continue to be on the player (the QB) who enables the team to function within a significantly higher YPA range regardless of variation in other variables?
In other words, your stellar supporting cast isn't getting Chad Henne anywhere, whereas Tom Brady may very well turn chicken **** into chicken salad.
Their functioning can have a significant effect on the QB's measurable performance, in theory. If objective evidence of that were presented to me, I'd sure give it every bit of thoughtful consideration I do other high-quality information.
Of course it's also plausible that the QB has more of a measurable effect on those other players' performance. This thing doesn't just work in one direction in theory.
I'm afraid my position on this is getting more and more caricatured as the discussion progresses. The position is that having a good QB is necessary for high-level competitiveness in the vast majority of cases. Obviously, however, that doesn't mean one can march a QB out onto the field alone and have him go up against 11 opposing players.
Once a team has an adequate QB, it can then turn its attention to the remainder of the roster, and it might as well do that with its draft picks, regardless of how high they are, given that those players aren't paid all that much, comparatively speaking, during their initial contract.
Now, who gets paid big, again, is starting to evolve toward the players who revolve around the passing game on both sides of the ball, which again has a great deal to do with "quarterbacking." If other teams have a Peyton Manning or an Aaron Rodgers, you can't expect to be highly competitive with them unless you can defend against the effect that player has on his team's likelihood of winning, which is great, and which is why DEs and DBs are typically your high-dollar players on defense.
By the same token, support players on offense (WR, TE, LT) can facilitate the effectiveness of an adequate QB, which gets them paid big as well, but a team would be far less likely to be highly competitive, even with those high-dollar surrounding players on offense and defense, in the absence of an adequate QB.
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of course not, of course: you are so honest, you poor guy, just wanna talk dolphins football, in 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 different thread every week... repeating the same stuff, over and over and over.....the same argument, different week, the same argument, different threads
and some bad guys are focusing on you, how cruel.... how come? it is a true mistery....
I think it's pretty interesting that given the love affair some have with Russell Wilson his name hasn't popped up for some time. Could it be because over the course of his last 5 games his stats are down to include a drop of 2 yards in his YPA?
It doesn't shift the focus, but when the YPA drops because of poor play elsewhere - "you don't blame the QB". It is really not that hard to understand.
But Tom Brady's effectiveness as measured by your favorite stat WILL SUFFER. That doesn't make him suddenly a lesser QB.
YPA = Avg Air yards + avg YAC
YAC is consistent over time by receiver not QB (therefor YAC if a function of the receiver not the QB)
The Dolphins' receivers were very low in YAC
Tannehill's YPA was below average, his Avg Air yards was not
I can't make it any clearer for you. You will accept these simple facts or not, your choice.
Of course it works both ways.
And you can't trot him out there with crap either. That is what the Dolphins did this season on the OL and OC.
I don't disagree with any of that and I will add, the Dolphins HAVE an adequate QB. They LACK adequate support for him. That has been validated by the team's actions at OL and OC.
Tannehill is already on par with QBs considered by most to be good QBs. In fact, his YPA was only 0.05 lower than Andrew Luck's YPA. By your standards, Tannehill is equivalent to Luck.
His Air YPA this season was HIGHER than Luck, Brady, RGIII, Romo, Stafford, Dalton, Roethlisberger, Bradford, Alex Smith, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, and Flacco. His % YAC was lower than all of those QBs.
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Right, and that's because his YPA and the YPA of QBs like him are likely to remain in a range that distinguishes them from those of poorer quarterbacks, when those poorer quarterbacks have similar downward fluctuations in YPA. For example, when both QBs (and ones like either of them, on average) fluctuate downward, Chad Henne fluctuates to a significantly lower YPA than Tom Brady.
Provide the data again if you would regarding the stability of receivers' YAC.
If I'm interpreting it correctly (it's a little tough to follow in my opinion), this link says air yards also are unstable:
http://www.footballperspective.com/are-air-yards-consistent-from-year-to-year/