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Ryan Tannehill is the reason the Dolphins lost this game

What you mean drops or not its still 13 pts that makes no sense without the drops we had 3 scoring opptys and momentum cause they were all nice drives to Cheifs territory that were halted from drops on crucial third down with balls that were right on there hands if we extend those drives I can guarantee we score one or two tds esp with how we could run on them.

i'm just saying balls get dropped...qbs overcome them...maybe not at the rate miami is having drops though...but there was opportunities for tannehill to make plays to put us in position to win the game and he came up short...not sure our d would have stopped them anyways the way that unit tackled but at least he could have put us in position

in regards to that 3 points ryan footballs a lot about momentum swings and shifts...that was a big early one...joe philbin also called a scared situational game...
 
Yeah I know football is a momentum based game and those 3 points wouldn't have made a difference. For all we know we would have given up a return td on the following kickoff. Philbin sucks, but there is plenty of suck to go around!
 
I've been a Tannehill supporter for one simple reason, he's the QB my team drafted and put at the helm. I don't spend hours/days/weeks of my life trying to rip the guy apart. There comes a point when you must acknowledge there are always circumstances impacting play on the field the fans will never know about or can control (in conversation). From personal life complications, OC play calling, HC decisions, GM decisions and internal power struggles within an organization. Nothing is ever straight forward in life. In football, there will always be the system vs. player debate. And the only measuring stick we truly have is results. Miscast players can wonder the league looking for the right fit. And in the right fit, they can be world beaters. In the wrong fit, they can look like practice players.

Frankly, at this point, I don't care about the "why" or the "how" or stats or anything else. I'm worried about the results. Our team has lost at least 1 winnable game. And when we go back to last year, you can say we should have made the playoffs. Forget the collapse at the end, we should never have lost to Tampa. I'm not as convinced as others that we should have beaten the Bills. The Bills execute very well. Their stars produce predictably and answer the bell. And that defense is a force.

When I look at our team, we have a fundamental design flaw. We have no one on the field at any time that is the undisputed leader of this team. The guy who holds everyone accountable and makes this team elevate its play. We have some great stat guys. But no true leaders. This team has been built to funnel all leadership to it's HC. And he is a silent man. We play too soft. And we take plays off, on both sides of the ball. When either side of the ball is confident, we are a different team. The problem is the lulls between those confident streaks. We don't have someone that makes us confident on the field. Our confidence is more circumstantial. We wait for the other team to allow us to be confident. And that has infected this whole team.

For 2 years, most on this board have bemoaned the retention of a player. But the fact is very obvious when he steps on the field, this team takes on a different personality. We look to score. We look to stop. We look to win. It's night and day. The man is simply a leader. He has the "it" factor that no one wants to admit makes him better than his skillset. And now I think his true value is, once again, going to come shining through... if even only for a while.

There are 2 bigger questions here looming for our HC. Does he sever ties with his young Franchise QB? When does he do it?

We are 3 games into a new offense. Are the flashes RT has shown in the past a function of the system? How many "great" QBs have honestly changed systems and still found success? There are a few. But are we not in an age were the QB is a byproduct of the system? Aside from health, what of RGIII's struggles? Has Peyton ever truly succeeding in a different offense at this level? (He brought his offensive system with him to Denver). Can Kaepernick succeed as a true pocket passer? Would Russell Wilson truly succeed on a team with an average D, average run game and OL?

Some players adapt better than others. I don't recall the exact number, but I'm fairly confident Alex Smith suffered 6 new OC's his first 6 years. Yet he is one of the winning-est QBs in his time. But, like Matt Ryan, he has problems in the post season.

It is safe to say this league is more about systems than players. Of the 32 teams, how many depend on their players to make the system work? How many depend on the system to make the players work?

So, how far down this rabbit hole do we go? Will Philbin bail on RT to save his job?

The answer is yes. We have precedence in his friendship with Sherman. Ultimately, with a heavy heart, he did fire Sherman. That tells me he will eventually pull RT. But the bigger question is "when"? Philbin is loyal to his decisions and is slow to react. And I believe it will be much later in the season before we see any decision made. Philbin will give RT time to fail and time to succeed.

My personal beliefs right now? Matt Moore is the best QB on our roster. Matt Moore is our "Bridge QB". I think Moore gives us a chance to salvage the season and possibly start an additional year. He could buy us time to draft another QB.

But most importantly, Moore can keep this team moving forward so the decisions we have made in 51 other roster spots remain forwardly moving decisions we can build upon.

I think there is 2 big overall questions looming for this franchise? When does RT get pulled? Will Philbin defer and allow a player to lead his team on the field and in the locker room and draft the guy who has the leadership qualities to get it done?

I think RT has had his chances. I think the guys in the huddle are questioning their QB. I think the dropped balls are showing that in a measurable way. If we wait until half of the season is gone to do this, we won't make the playoffs.

I didn't think I would say this so soon, but I'm tired of not seeing a fire in RT's demeanor.

I think it's time Matt Moore took over and saved this team and give the other 51 guys on the roster the confidence they need to go out and take a win from the other team.

And if he gets us to the playoffs, this needs to be his team until he falls on his face. During that time we need to be drafting and grooming the next guy while continuing to fill the ranks.

If Philbin continues to be stubborn, I think we unfortunately start over again next year. And I do NOT want that.

I would rather see Philbin mature as a coach and change what needs to be fixed than start over. If we start over, we just set ourselves back another 5 years, if not longer. We need forward momentum and stop rebuilding.

Bench RT, start Moore and get this ship back on track.
 
Please tell me how this is Thills fault anyone??? the balls were right on the money to Gib, Hartline and Landry

Receivers dropping well thrown footballs his not his fault. Nor is garbage pass protection. But some things are his fault:

1. Not using his legs more - his fault.
2. Not seeing or missing an open guy - his fault.
3. Not throwing the ball away when nobody's open and the pocket implodes - his fault.

Then you have stuff where the QB just needs to step up and say '**** it.' I'm sorry, but when your coach mangles 2 minute clock management as badly as Philbin did, you have to step up and say or do something. You can't let 42 seconds drain off the clock. The #1 problem there was Philbin, but at some point Ryan Tannehill has to be willing to disobey his coach when his coach is being a moron. That's leadership and that's game management.
 
i'm just saying balls get dropped...qbs overcome them...maybe not at the rate miami is having drops though...but there was opportunities for tannehill to make plays to put us in position to win the game and he came up short...not sure our d would have stopped them anyways the way that unit tackled but at least he could have put us in position

in regards to that 3 points ryan footballs a lot about momentum swings and shifts...that was a big early one...joe philbin also called a scared situational game...

My man its was 3 str drives that were stalled in which we were on our way to score!! Thats 3 drives not 1 so tell me what Thill is to do?? the balls were on the money thats a fact, and we take the lead and give our D a rest, we def would have scored each time... those drops in essence affected the whole team and absolutely crushed our momentum and raised theres when they lucked out!! We basically played D on ourselves yest and the whole year etc NE game and still had a lot of drops in that game....Bot line they catch those balls there a diff tune around fin heaven today in the NFL you have to make plays any chance you get esp again a team thats hungry for a win and has a good D....I mean were dropping routine catches.
 
My man its was 3 str drives that were stalled in which we were on our way to score!! Thats 3 drives not 1 so tell me what Thill is to do?? the balls were on the money thats a fact, and we take the lead and give our D a rest, we def would have scored each time... those drops in essence affected the whole team and absolutely crushed our momentum and raised theres when they lucked out!! We basically played D on ourselves yest and the whole year etc NE game and still had a lot of drops in that game....Bot line they catch those balls there a diff tune around fin heaven today in the NFL you have to make plays any chance you get esp again a team thats hungry for a win and has a good D....I mean were dropping routine catches.

2 of those though were very deep in our own territory as i recall...the play action reset and fire drop by gibson was a big one...cause imo that one took points off the board...but i get what you are saying...wallace drop i dont think really effected the score board much but it did set us behind the sticks...and this team can't overcome 8 yard losses on stupid screen plays on first and 10 either...theyd didnt get clay involved enough either and i know the qb missed him a couple times going elsewhere...anyways i'm just rambling i guess
 
The key to running HUNH or "NASCAR Pace" is getting 1st downs. If you can't get 1st downs, you can't run HUNH.

The tempo is predicated on efficiency on 1st down and 2nd down. The pace has to be -- 1st down, 1st down, 2nd down, 1st down, 1st down, 2nd down, etc...

You can't be in many 3rd down situations and run HUNH. Incomplete passes, inaccurate passes, drops, sacks, and negative plays cannot be part of an uptempo offense. You don't want to hurry up and go 3 and out, or be in a hurry to make mistakes.

Bingo.
 
It has looked that way for quite some time. But, nobody else can see what you see.

teach him: he should have flip his opinion at the time you did, so now he could post LOL gift like he never ever said that picking RT was the best move of the best GM in the league....

poor Hoops that doesn't know when is right to flip-flop his opinion and pretend he has said that RT sucks from the beginning.... teach him how to do, you are quite an expert


talking about serious things, I don't think RT is the main reason (I still think this is a team sport), but he played a BIG part (other reasons, IMO, were the tackling issues, a couple of offensive calls and, in general, total lack of execution) and he is clearly regressing and what is baffling is the way he NEVER run, even when is so obvious he could get 3-4-5 yards... it will be another long season, it seems and probably is better to stay away from the forum, just to cool down.


enjoy your week fellas
 
by the way too many beers last night and too much anger...if i got nasty with any of you my apologies...should have done what i usually do and stayed away on game days
 
What you mean drops or not its still 13 pts that makes no sense without the drops we had 3 scoring opptys and momentum cause they were all nice drives to Cheifs territory that were halted from drops on crucial third down with balls that were right on there hands if we extend those drives I can guarantee we score one or two tds esp with how we could run on them.

Lazor and Thill can't catch the ball for us our wr have to make plays in which they haven't WE LEAD THE LEAGUE IN DROPS!!!!!!!!!!!! LET ME SAY IT AGAIN>>> WE LEAD THE LEAGUE IN DROPS!!!! (and we're running away with it as well thats how bad it is)

Please tell me how this is Thills fault anyone??? the balls were right on the money to Gib, Hartline and Landry

Fin heaven in a nutshell:

Tannehill gets sacked 58 times last year most on two step drops yet Thill sucks and has no awareness etc....Now we lead the league in drops by a mile which is crazy yet now Thill sucks again is inaccurate stares down wrs ext (when yes he missed some throws this year but most are right there esp yest)

If it his your hands esp on that level you have to catch it period end of story !!!

:lol2: This one is STILL doing it. :lol2:
 
by the way too many beers last night and too much anger...if i got nasty with any of you my apologies...should have done what i usually do and stayed away on game days

TBH, I thought you were hilarious. You should drink and post more often. :up:
 
I want to see Ryan Tannehill take risks instead of being in an offense that's short pass on first down. Run on 2nd Down. Short pass on 3rd down. This isn't going to work with the group of guys on the field. They ran so many slant plays with press coverage defense playing inside... That's why the players were dropping passes. Switch it up. Playing conservative in both halves will never win you football games.

There were only 3 plays where I was truly pissed at Tannehill yesterday, because he definitely handled his underthrowing problem in this game. 1 - The sack where he held the ball wayyyy too long. 2 - Him rolling out and not taking the first down run on 2nd & 1 where he passed to Wallace out of bounds. 3 - the next play where he had the lane to run but didn't. Tannehill wasn't that shook to take the ball and run. They do all these bootlegs and handoffs where he NEVER takes the ball himself so they never bite on it. Open up the playbook and let him go. If he fails to get it done, then it's time for a change.
 
I like what you wrote, but you are missing important data.

According to Sporting Charts (http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-receiver-drops-percentage/2014/), until last week Miami Dolphins was the team with most dropped passes in the league, second in dropped passes percentage behind Giants. This site requires 24 hours after game for refreshing data, but it's clear Dolphins got several dropped passes during this weekend.

Also with a new offensive idea based on speed, running game and flexibility, where WR should be able to run just like RB should catch the football, we have a serious issue with Lamar Miller dropping important passes.

Without doubts Ryan Tannehill must upgrade his game, but what else can we push him if he's hitting his targets, a bunch of stone-handed receivers.

Fans and writers have over-focused on Mike Wallace, but sure-hands guys like Brandon Gibson, Brian Hartline and Jarvis Landry are killing Ryan Tannehill's stats & Dolphins' chances because of dropped passes.
 
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