Shouright - the headings in blue on dark green are extremely difficult to read. Maybe it's my eyesight, maybe it's my computer, but I'd really appreciate just a plain white background to enable me to clearly read it. Thanks.
Ryan Tannehill & the Dolphins' Deep Passing Game
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And the same thing for the other QBs listed?
According to its player grades. According to its QB rating metric, however, which is explained here:
...he's ranked 13th.
So it's interesting that PFF's objective rating is inconsistent with its player grade.
And in terms of traditional QB rating, he's 21st.
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Maybe he's nearsighted and just needs glasses.
Still playing much better than most QBs would in the situation he is in and way better than almost any 2nd year QB under the same circumstances. Future is bright.
7th ranked baby!
But they both rank him higher than you do with the stats you chose to use... Interresting indeed...
So what are we supposed to conclude from this chart? That Joe Flacco can't throw the deep ball? This chart is useless, except to show how many times a deep throw is actually attempted. There are too many extenuating circumstances to draw any conclusions from that chart. If you go by that chart you would think Joe Flacco was not a great deep ball thrower, but he has proven otherwise over the course of his career. If you look at Tannehill's "deep" throw completion percentage last season you would see that he was in the top half of the league if not higher.
Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. Football is a team game and cannot be boiled down to a few numbers to reliably conclude anything about an individual's performance. This is even more true with small sample sizes.
You're "exposing your agenda."
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Whatever you'd like. Isn't that going to happen anyway?
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And which are those?
hoops
Tua time!
yeah game out of reach heaves that were picked...they at least should be accounted for...one vs new england one vs tampa and one other...i'd rather the kid just not throw em than have to read flat numbers that don't consider it all the time on here
but it's always statistics without football common sense and situational analysis...
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Last year, Tannehill threw 51 times, 20 complete, 2 drops, 671 yards, 3 TD's, 1 Int, 10.5 att %, and 43.1 acc %. Better across the board, ranked #7 on deep throws.
Hartline- 25-11, 0 drops, 421 yds, 1 TD, 0 Int.
Bess- 11-3, 1 drop, 88 yds.
Moore- 3-2, 0 drops, 66 yds, 1 TD.
Matthews- 3-2, 58 yds.
Clay- 2-2, 0 drops, 53 yds, 1 TD
The rest- 7-1, with a drop.
This year.
Wallace- 15-3, 1 drop, 129 yds, 0 TD's, 4 Int's.
Hartline- 7-4, 0 drops, 94 yds, 2 TD's, 1 Int.
Gibson- 2-1 for 46 yds.
Matthews- 2-0
Clay- 5-1, 2 drops, 45 yds.
After seeing what RT did last year with one WR and a touch of Clay, I cannot fault him for being a little worse this year considering the play of the receivers and the protection.
It's overly obvious that he and Wallace are not close to being on the same page. Hartline is money and should not have been moved from right to the left side, where RT is not going to throw to him as much. Wallace was on the left side last year, and should be moved back there.
IF Wallace was playing as he can, Gibson not hurt, throwing more to Hartline, and now adding Matthews, RT would very likely be top 5 in throwing deep.
Hartline- 25-11, 0 drops, 421 yds, 1 TD, 0 Int.
Bess- 11-3, 1 drop, 88 yds.
Moore- 3-2, 0 drops, 66 yds, 1 TD.
Matthews- 3-2, 58 yds.
Clay- 2-2, 0 drops, 53 yds, 1 TD
The rest- 7-1, with a drop.
This year.
Wallace- 15-3, 1 drop, 129 yds, 0 TD's, 4 Int's.
Hartline- 7-4, 0 drops, 94 yds, 2 TD's, 1 Int.
Gibson- 2-1 for 46 yds.
Matthews- 2-0
Clay- 5-1, 2 drops, 45 yds.
After seeing what RT did last year with one WR and a touch of Clay, I cannot fault him for being a little worse this year considering the play of the receivers and the protection.
It's overly obvious that he and Wallace are not close to being on the same page. Hartline is money and should not have been moved from right to the left side, where RT is not going to throw to him as much. Wallace was on the left side last year, and should be moved back there.
IF Wallace was playing as he can, Gibson not hurt, throwing more to Hartline, and now adding Matthews, RT would very likely be top 5 in throwing deep.
Really good statistical analysis of this issue here:
http://regressing.deadspin.com/charts-who-are-the-best-deep-passers-in-the-nfl-1469917039/@kylenw
And it shows that the Dolphins' offense is sort of "dumbed down" in terms of its downfield passing emphasis. Tannehill is average in terms of downfield accuracy and downfield YPA, however.
http://regressing.deadspin.com/charts-who-are-the-best-deep-passers-in-the-nfl-1469917039/@kylenw
And it shows that the Dolphins' offense is sort of "dumbed down" in terms of its downfield passing emphasis. Tannehill is average in terms of downfield accuracy and downfield YPA, however.
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Is Tom Brady's deep ball an issue? ranked 25th in the NFL Since 2010.
Sunday night, we'll get the privilege of watching two of the NFL's best quarterbacks go head-to-head when Peyton Manning and the Denver Broncos visit Tom Brady and the New England Patriots in Foxborough, Mass. After 13 previous meetings, a lot of analytical ground has been covered, but what about the impact of arm strength? No, not Peyton's -- which we've previously addressed -- but Brady's.
Take a look at these numbers: Since 2010, Brady ranks 25th out of 31 qualifying quarterbacks in completion percentage on passes over 20 yards in the air. He has hit on just 30.3 percent of those throws. Compare that to Aaron Rodgers (44.4 percent, No. 2 in that time frame) or even Manning (38.2, No. 7). This season, the contrast is particularly sharp. Manning sits at 41.5 percent in 2013, compared to Brady's mark of just 22.9.
Forget for a minute about the Manning arm strength refrain. Is it Brady who really has the problem on the deep ball? And if he doesn't, is it merely the help?
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/stor...xamining-tom-brady-arm-strength-issues-season
Sunday night, we'll get the privilege of watching two of the NFL's best quarterbacks go head-to-head when Peyton Manning and the Denver Broncos visit Tom Brady and the New England Patriots in Foxborough, Mass. After 13 previous meetings, a lot of analytical ground has been covered, but what about the impact of arm strength? No, not Peyton's -- which we've previously addressed -- but Brady's.
Take a look at these numbers: Since 2010, Brady ranks 25th out of 31 qualifying quarterbacks in completion percentage on passes over 20 yards in the air. He has hit on just 30.3 percent of those throws. Compare that to Aaron Rodgers (44.4 percent, No. 2 in that time frame) or even Manning (38.2, No. 7). This season, the contrast is particularly sharp. Manning sits at 41.5 percent in 2013, compared to Brady's mark of just 22.9.
Forget for a minute about the Manning arm strength refrain. Is it Brady who really has the problem on the deep ball? And if he doesn't, is it merely the help?
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/stor...xamining-tom-brady-arm-strength-issues-season