Ryan Tannehill: The Objective Evidence

[Shouright]

WELLLLLLL, profootballreference has Stafford higher then Peyton so by reading one article I can clearly see Stafford is the better QB. You can't tell me otherwise. It says it right there.

You forgot to click on the column headers. :)

 

[Shouright]

Shouright... did you not see the poll I created about "what's the biggest problem with this team"?

Those stats will show you that, from a sample of 200 fans on this site (pretty damn good sample size, actually), very, very few people actually think Tannehill is the problem with this team. There is hope for this board, after all.

And you don't suppose there would be any bias on the part of fans who know on some level that their favorite team's future performance hinges predominantly on Tannehill?

I can show you a similar poll from just before Chad Henne's third season as a starter (2011) in which the majority of the forum thought he would "light it up" that year.

This forum isn't very reliable in its appraisals, even when it reaches a consensus, which stands to reason since things in which one is heavily emotionally invested are prone to be perceived with confirmation bias.

 

[2413fanphins]

Quick yes or no question for the OP... do you get tired of authoring one and two star threads

 

[phinking]

Or what about factoring that his completely ****ty OL and run-pass balance has hindered his ability? Where does that factor in?

Those of us who argue against you don't think Tannehill is a Pro Bowl QB (yet), we just are tired of you ranting about how bad he is when he is clearly improving and clearly not the main problem of this team.

The facts are, Tannehill has lost 5 fumbles and has thrown 9 Interceptions. The only bigger problem than Tannehill is Tyson Clabo and he is now riding the pine.

 

[Shouright]

I agree with the eyeball test and the stats that Tannehill is just average. The question is why?? Is it because of inexperience?? Coaching?? OL issues?? Receivers?? All have had a part in his averageness (if that's a word). Tannehill is either part of the solution or part of the problem...right now it's tough to make that decision based on what he has to work with, and I at least assume from the flashes I've seen that he is not playing to his level of talent because he is set to fail.

Who knows? What I do know is that we're very likely to be biased to explain his performance in a way that preserves our hope for his future, which typically involves blaming other facets of the organization.

When it's all said and done it really doesn't matter, because until the Miami Dolphins' quarterback is functioning at a level necessary for high-level NFL competitiveness, all the explanations we can muster for Tannehill's performance, about none of which we can be certain, don't matter, because we aren't running the team, and we aren't in a position to fix any of it.

It provides the fuel for great debates on the board, but in the end, nobody here (including myself) can predict Tannehill's future, and until he's functioning much better than he is now, the team won't be competitive.

 

[Phindog]

Translation:

"I know more than you about this. What it is I think I know more than you I won't say [because that might expose me], but just trust me; I know more."

You already have been exposed.

 

[finz99]

Like I said, you're free to disregard them for whatever reason you'd like, but realize that in the process you're also disregarding the fact that they say Peyton Manning is currently the best quarterback in the league.

The stats can't mean nothing for one QB and something for another QB. :)

Technically I think Brees is the best QB in the league right now, so yes, those lists mean nothing.

 

[Trucanes99]

And you don't suppose there would be any bias on the part of fans who know on some level that their favorite team's future performance hinges predominantly on Tannehill

I can show you a similar poll from just before Chad Henne's third season as a starter (2011) in which the majority of the forum thought he would "light it up" that year.

This forum isn't very reliable in its appraisals, even when it reaches a consensus, which stands to reason since things in which one is heavily emotionally invested are prone to be perceived with confirmation bias.

Please provide a link to the referenced poll

 

[Shouright]

Please provide a link to the referenced poll

http://www.finheaven.com/showthread.php?302731-Henne-From-Zero-to-Hero-in-2011&highlight=henne

 

[LDaniel7]

Shouright and objective in the same sentence is like putting Bess and playmaker in the same sentence.

I do not think those words mean what you think they mean.

LD

 

[Phindog]

And you don't suppose there would be any bias on the part of fans who know on some level that their favorite team's future performance hinges predominantly on Tannehill?

I can show you a similar poll from just before Chad Henne's third season as a starter (2011) in which the majority of the forum thought he would "light it up" that year.

This forum isn't very reliable in its appraisals, even when it reaches a consensus, which stands to reason since things in which one is heavily emotionally invested are prone to be perceived with confirmation bias.

Yet you still try......

 

[Trucanes99]

http://www.finheaven.com/showthread.php?302731-Henne-From-Zero-to-Hero-in-2011&highlight=henne

I'm sorry, but you lose compete credibility by comparing that Henne poll to my poll.

There are several reasons why it's a terrible comparison:
1) that henne poll posed a question which elicited a 'yes' response from fans who were on the fence because if henne were to have "lit it up" their team would have succeeded. And even with this being the case, "yes" only won by a slight margin.
2) henne poll is simple yes/no. Mine gave multiple options to consider and posed a completely different question.

I could go on, but I'm using my phone to post this and its getting annoying to write more.

 

[bird33]

all you tannehill is not the problem people, how was tannehill at texas a&m? cause i watched him and he pretty much looked average to me. but if i recall all the fuss was about the wr's dropping passes and inexperience. its one excuse after another for this guy. forget that he didnt recognize either blitz in the 2nd half on sunday(the strip sack and the sack that caused the fg to be 46 yds instead of 37), hell forget the int on the pass to wallace late in the 4th, when are people gonna realize he was average in college...and big surprise, hes average in the pros???? i cant wait to see what most of you write next year at this time when we're in the same exact position we're in now.

 

[Shouright]

I'm sorry, but you lose compete credibility by comparing that Henne poll to my poll.

There are several reasons why it's a terrible comparison:
1) that henne poll posed a question which elicited a 'yes' response from fans who were on the fence because if henne were to have "lit it up" their team would have succeed. And even with this being the case, "yes" only won by a slight margin.
2) henne poll is simple yes/no. Mine gave multiple options to consider and posed a completely different question.

I could go on, but I'm using my phone to post this and its getting annoying to write more.

Do you really think there's any credibility in the polling of fans who desperately want to see one thing and not see another?

That's about like going to a church on Sunday and asking the people there whether there is a God.

 

[Trucanes99]

Do you really think there's any credibility in the polling of fans who desperately want to see one thing and not see another?

That's about like going to a church on Sunday and asking the people there whether there is a God.

Yes. If it is a large enough sample and the poll is constructed in an unbiased fashion, ABSOLUTELY.

Several options were given, and even if you have a personal agenda, you had a right to let that be known. This being the case, the fans have spoken. Tannehill (out of the options that received at least one vote) is clearly the least of our problems.

Do you really think that henne poll and my poll are comparable? C'mon man.