Ryan Tannehill vs Early Tom Brady

[Penthos]

For the record, I am not completely sold on Ryan Tannehill as being our franchise QB. Furthermore, I AM NOT trying to persuade anyone that he is. The point of this post is to argue that it is too soon to be certain that he isn't.

Tannehill's numbers 10 games in to his 3rd year are comparable to where Brady was in his 3rd/4th year. Remember, Brady sat for his entire first year which IMO benefits Brady. Also consider that Brady did not change offensive systems in his 3rd year, again advantage Brady...

Anyway if you look at td%, yards per game, avg pass they are all close. In fact, at this point in his 3rd year, RT has a higher completion percentage and higher QB rating than Brady did in either his 3rd of 4th year. People point to RT's lack of downfield passing as an indicator of RT's non-franchise potential. Yet we see even Tom Brady only had 3 completions over 40 yards in his 3rd year where RT had 10 in his 2nd.



Again, I am not trying to say that Tannehill is, or ever will be as good or better than Brady, who is arguably the best QB ever, SO DON'T COME IN HERE AND CLAIM THAT I AM ...

Also, I realize that the passing rules are more favorable now for QBs than when Brady started in the league. However, I think these number DO show that Ryan Tannehill does still have the potential to become a high quality starter. Furthermore, if some of the abject Tannehaters here applied the same logic behind their arguments against early Tom Brady that they do with RT, they would have sworn up and down Brady WAS NOT the man and that he would never be a franchise QB, let alone possibly the best QB ever.

 

[SkapePhin]

While interesting, there is also something the stats don't show, Brady came through in the clutch several times in those 3 years to guide his team to 2 championahips


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[MRojas4]

For the record, I am not completely sold on Ryan Tannehill as being our franchise QB. Furthermore, I AM NOT trying to persuade anyone that he is. The point of this post is to argue that it is too soon to be certain that he isn't.

Tannehill's numbers 10 games in to his 3rd year are comparable to where Brady was in his 3rd/4th year. Remember, Brady sat for his entire first year which IMO benefits Brady. Also consider that Brady did not change offensive systems in his 3rd year, again advantage Brady...

Anyway if you look at td%, yards per game, avg pass they are all close. In fact, at this point in his 3rd year, RT has a higher completion percentage and higher QB rating than Brady did in either his 3rd of 4th year. People point to RT's lack of downfield passing as an indicator of RT's non-franchise potential. Yet we see even Tom Brady only had 3 completions over 40 yards in his 3rd year where RT had 10 in his 2nd.

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Again, I am not trying to say that Tannehill is, or ever will be as good or better than Brady, who is arguably the best QB ever, SO DON'T COME IN HERE AND CLAIM THAT I AM ...

Also, I realize that the passing rules are more favorable now for QBs than when Brady started in the league. However, I think these number DO show that Ryan Tannehill does still have the potential to become a high quality starter. Furthermore, if some of the abject Tannehaters here applied the same logic behind their arguments against early Tom Brady that they do with RT, they would have sworn up and down Brady WAS NOT the man and that he would never be a franchise QB, let alone possibly the best QB ever.

We have 1 pass of 40+ yards?

 

[Despacio]

This biggest Tom Brady stat is wins. He knew how to win the games that separate contenders from pretenders.

A fellow poster said something about Tannehill yesterday, that there's nobody historically to compare him to. He had such an unusual college career and each year in the NFL has trended north statistic wise even if slightly so. So he certainly hasn't peaked.

His biggest flaw is the deep pass, it's a huge flaw, not only that he doesn't hit them but that he has no touch for them. Can that be coached? Some argue it can't. Even guys the past few weeks coming off the bench in the NFL have hit them right off the bat.


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[nyjunc]

Please stop, PLEASE. it's a completely different game offensively now than in the early 00s. Enjoy the win, hopefully for you guys you make the playoffs but there is nothing comparable about Ryan to Brady in any way.

stats on paper give us part of the story, the more important thing is how those stats were accumulated. Brady did it winning 2 SBs and completely changing a franchise around.

 

[MRojas4]

Please stop, PLEASE. it's a completely different game offensively now than in the early 00s. Enjoy the win, hopefully for you guys you make the playoffs but there is nothing comparable about Ryan to Brady in any way.

stats on paper give us part of the story, the more important thing is how those stats were accumulated. Brady did it winning 2 SBs and completely changing a franchise around.

And a big pile of video tape



Serious though, WAAAAAAY to early to even be talking about Tannehill and Brady in the same breath.

We can only HOPE Tannehill will have as much success as Brady.

 

[FinHopeful]

Please stop, PLEASE. it's a completely different game offensively now than in the early 00s. Enjoy the win, hopefully for you guys you make the playoffs but there is nothing comparable about Ryan to Brady in any way.

stats on paper give us part of the story, the more important thing is how those stats were accumulated. Brady did it winning 2 SBs and completely changing a franchise around.

Excellent point!

 

[Penthos]

And a big pile of video tape



Serious though, WAAAAAAY to early to even be talking about Tannehill and Brady in the same breath.

We can only HOPE Tannehill will have as much success as Brady.

I guess I should have expected that people would just look at the picture and not read the multiple times where I clearly stated that I was not saying RT was equal to or better than Brady.

 

[nyjunc]

I guess I should have expected that people would just look at the picture and not read the multiple times where I clearly stated that I was not saying RT was equal to or better than Brady.

I got that but comparing them in any way is really not fair to Ryan.

 

[SoCal Finatic]

I agree, we shouldn't compare the two, but... Tom Brady was handed the keys to a Ferrari when he started in the league, don't give me this "clutch" crap. Tannehill was given the keys to a VW. The Pats went to multiple superbowls early on because of defense and Brady having 10 years of time to read defenses. It's a crapshoot in the NFL. QB's that start for decent teams have decent careers. Steve Young was also gifted a great team (remember his Tampa Bay days? of course you don't). Take a look back at Elway's early numbers- they were worse than Tebows! RT is doing pretty good, let's hope he can hang on long enough to become a decent flinger.

 

[phins_4_ever]

For the record, I am not completely sold on Ryan Tannehill as being our franchise QB. Furthermore, I AM NOT trying to persuade anyone that he is. The point of this post is to argue that it is too soon to be certain that he isn't.

Tannehill's numbers 10 games in to his 3rd year are comparable to where Brady was in his 3rd/4th year. Remember, Brady sat for his entire first year which IMO benefits Brady. Also consider that Brady did not change offensive systems in his 3rd year, again advantage Brady...

Anyway if you look at td%, yards per game, avg pass they are all close. In fact, at this point in his 3rd year, RT has a higher completion percentage and higher QB rating than Brady did in either his 3rd of 4th year. People point to RT's lack of downfield passing as an indicator of RT's non-franchise potential. Yet we see even Tom Brady only had 3 completions over 40 yards in his 3rd year where RT had 10 in his 2nd.

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Again, I am not trying to say that Tannehill is, or ever will be as good or better than Brady, who is arguably the best QB ever, SO DON'T COME IN HERE AND CLAIM THAT I AM ...

Also, I realize that the passing rules are more favorable now for QBs than when Brady started in the league. However, I think these number DO show that Ryan Tannehill does still have the potential to become a high quality starter. Furthermore, if some of the abject Tannehaters here applied the same logic behind their arguments against early Tom Brady that they do with RT, they would have sworn up and down Brady WAS NOT the man and that he would never be a franchise QB, let alone possibly the best QB ever.

Really? Anytime you bring stats up to compare you are indicating that QB x could be like QB z. And your backpeddling that it is not so does not change the fact.
Comparing Brady (with illegal video tapes and an additional voice in the ear) to Tannehill is as ridiculous as comparing Manning and Tannehill or, the other extreme, comparing Tannehill to Geno Smith.

Why can't we just look at Tannehill's performance and evaluate him based on that and then one day we say "he is it" or "he is not it"? The only comparison you can make is what a typical franchise QB can do, what are the limitations of an average QB etc.

 

[nyjunc]

I agree, we shouldn't compare the two, but... Tom Brady was handed the keys to a Ferrari when he started in the league, don't give me this "clutch" crap. Tannehill was given the keys to a VW. The Pats went to multiple superbowls early on because of defense and Brady having 10 years of time to read defenses. It's a crapshoot in the NFL. QB's that start for decent teams have decent careers. Steve Young was also gifted a great team (remember his Tampa Bay days? of course you don't). Take a look back at Elway's early numbers- they were worse than Tebows! RT is doing pretty good, let's hope he can hang on long enough to become a decent flinger.

That is 100% incorrect. That "Ferrari" was already 0-2 after going 5-11 the year before. they had no elite players on offense and were getting worse each season since their SB run in 1996. there were already rumblings about BB losing his job. Tom BRady rescued a sinking ship.

 

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hoops shoots...he scores

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

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[Penthos]

One of the points I was trying to make is RT gets a lot of crap on this board for only completing short and intermediate passes and his trouble with the long ball. But by comparison EVEN THE BEST QB of all time was dinking in and dunking for most of his early years, and the numbers bear that out. RTs completion percentage and rating are also comparable, that is fact. Thus my argument that contrary to many who claim to already know for sure that RT17 will never be a franchise QB, it's too early to tell. That's it, I NEVER SAID he would be Brady, I'm merely pointing out comparable statistics to argue that its to early to that RT17 is not a franchise QB.

I should have known that the point would be completely missed. I should have remembered that no-one on a message board EVER misses an opportunity to gloss over the specifics of an argument when they see the chance to call someone stupid.