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Ryan Tannehill's Divergence from Chad Henne?

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Earlier this season, I started the following thread:

http://www.finheaven.com/showthread...e-vs-Ryan-Tannehill-A-Scary-Thought&highlight=

As you can imagine, it was quite popular. ;)

Here's an update:

ATT
COMP
YARDS
COMP %
YPA
TDs
INTs
QBR
Chad Henne 2009
451
274
2878
60.8
6.38
12
14
75.2
Ryan Tannehill 2012
484
282
3294
58.3
6.81
12
13
76.1
Chad Henne 2010 (First 4 Games)
131
84
964
64.1
7.36
5
4
86.2
Ryan Tannehill 2013 (First 4 Games)
142
93
1076
65.5
7.58
5
5
85.3
Chad Henne 2010 (Games 5 through 13)
254
149
1712
58.7
6.74
8
11
71.5
Ryan Tannehill 2013 (Games 5 through 13)
342
207
2239
60.5
6.55
15
9
83.5
So, what do we think?
 
Just curious...but why not just do it for games 1 - 13? Ideally I'm waiting to see what the final numbers compare for both of their entire second seasons (although Henne may have missed a game due to injury)
 
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I think it is a pointless comparison. Two different QBs in different systems, with different teammates, against different opponents, under different conditions, using too small of a sample.

Should be no trouble drawing iron clad conclusions.
 
Earlier this season, I started the following thread:

http://www.finheaven.com/showthread...e-vs-Ryan-Tannehill-A-Scary-Thought&highlight=

As you can imagine, it was quite popular. ;)

Here's an update:

ATT
COMP
YARDS
COMP %
YPA
TDs
INTs
QBR
Chad Henne 2009
451
274
2878
60.8
6.38
12
14
75.2
Ryan Tannehill 2012
484
282
3294
58.3
6.81
12
13
76.1
Chad Henne 2010 (First 4 Games)
131
84
964
64.1
7.36
5
4
86.2
Ryan Tannehill 2013 (First 4 Games)
142
93
1076
65.5
7.58
5
5
85.3
Chad Henne 2010 (Games 5 through 13)
254
149
1712
58.7
6.74
8
11
71.5
Ryan Tannehill 2013 (Games 5 through 13)
342
207
2239
60.5
6.55
15
9
83.5
So, what do we think?

I think Henne had 4 years of starting experience in college and got to sit a year in the NFL behind Pennington. Tannehill had far less experience as a starting QB and is already showing that he is better than Henne ever was. I'm exited about the type of QB I think he can become.
 
Lets just say theres no way Henne goes up to Pitt and puts up 34 points in the snow with the playoffs on the line.
 
Many of us invested emotional capital in Chad Henne over a number of years. He could look decent occasionally but would invariably stink it up. Thanks for generating the statistics, but I sense that when you look at the averages, they can hide the volatility, week by week. What I see in Tannehill is more consistency than we ever saw in Henne. I also see steady improvement and Ryan learning from his mistakes. While Henne could still be OK, with the right coaches and a great O-line and with good weapons, Tannehill is a far brighter prospect.
 
I see RT progressing in year two while CH did not. But like others have said, its all irrelivant
 
RT divergence from Henne? Yea.. Tannehill doesn't have cinder blocks for feet.
 
FWIW over the last 4 games without Reggie Wayne 2-2 Luck's YPA was barely 6 - a full 1.22 ypa less than 3-1 Tannehill's. Just for perspective Matt Ryan's 1-4 postseason YPA is 6.6. Since I know the Tannehill-obsessed OP is a Melty nut-hugger, make of this whatever you will.

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YPA is a really useful tool but it's downright comical how a couple of people on this board are acting like it's somehow they only statistic that matters when evaluating a QB. I would submit that it's one of the best tools for evaluating an offense's overall passing prowess, but trying to evaluate the long-term potential of a QB based on one statistic is downright ludicrous. It's these kinds of determinations that lead someone to believe that Colin Kaepernick, a guy who literally can't read a ****ing defense, has a better NFL future ahead of him right now than Ryan Tannehill.
 
Why don't just put up a real time tracker of Tannehill's YPA. That way we can see if he is average or not on a throw by throw basis.... :bobdole:

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YPA is a really useful tool but it's downright comical how a couple of people on this board are acting like it's somehow they only statistic that matters when evaluating a QB. I would submit that it's one of the best tools for evaluating an offense's overall passing prowess, but trying to evaluate the long-term potential of a QB based on one statistic is downright ludicrous. It's these kinds of determinations that lead someone to believe that Colin Kaepernick, a guy who literally can't read a ****ing defense, has a better NFL future ahead of him right now than Ryan Tannehill.

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"Lets just say theres no way Henne goes up to Pitt and puts up 34 points in the snow with the playoffs on the line." Not in a meaningful game. That's part of the difference. Tannehill has shown, to an extent, that he can make plays when they have to be made, not just for that game, but in the context of a whole season. Jax hasn't played a meaningful game since September.
Henne is perfect for the role he's in now. Starting QB for a team going nowhere, where losses are better than wins because a high draft pick is the best reward.

Henne's career, IMO, is defined by that game against Cleveland in 2011, when Miami was down by 1 poiint (I think) and we had just gotten a fabulous runback on the kickoff to get us to midfield with, like, 50-some seconds left, and Henne threw 4 straight incompletions, none of them even close. Then, I think it was the week after we got knocked out of the game in San Diego and that was the end of his Dolphins career. (though it might have been more than a week after). We thought for sure that that game vs Cleveland was the must win game among the gauntlet of tough early games that season.

Ironically, though, Tanny did have a similar situation this year in that game against Baltimore, but I don't remember any of those 4 plays (when we got to midfield after Tanny's sick, amazing pass on 4th and 10 where Brandon Gibson fell down without contact on a pass that hit him perfectly in stride). I think if Tannehill would've been as ready to run and escape the pocket at that point as he is now, he could've possibly done that in that situation and avoided the sack on 3rd down (after spiking the ball on 1st down) that created yet another 4th and 10+ yards.

The growth in Tannehill this season, from protecting the football to escaping the pocket and avoiding sacks that would've got him in the early part of the season, is wonderful.
 
Steady growth and better consistency is all I continue to want from this young QB. Last week, is another example of his growth.
 
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