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"You could ask a million people outside in the parking lot and get a million different solutions," defensive end Jason Taylor said. "Everyone has an opinion. The biggest thing to me is confidence. You've got to have confidence.

"Believing in something and having confidence in it are two different things.

"I think sometimes we believe, but we have a lack of confidence. The only thing that cures that is success."
I started a thread after the Buffalo game saying that Saban overhyped the Carolina win in the team's locker room celebration. If you saw the celebration on the team's website, you saw Saban tell the team they "did something special," and then he gave them more days off than usual going into the bye week. The team whooped and yelled and was very grateful for their reward.

I think that sent the wrong message to this team.

Number one, the team didn't really do anything all that special that day. Had they blown Carolina out, THAT would've been special. As it was we had a nail-biter that made us hold our collective breath until nearly the final whistle.

Overhyping a win like that sends the message to the team that they NEED an extra pat on the back to feel good about themselves. And why would a team need an extra pat on the back to feel good about itself? -- because it isn't that good in the first place.

And that's the message that was sent that day IMO -- that the coach thought the team wasn't that good.

We've lost 5 of 6 since.

Yesterday Saban praised the effort the team gave against New England. That was a winnable game that was lost in large part by lack of effort and concentration (Chambers's drops were huge all day). Why single out the one thing you think the team did well (effort) and talk about it instead of talking about the ways they played badly?

If you still don't think a team is all that good, then you may think another pat on the back will do the trick. But again, the underlying message is, "You aren't that good."

Who was our worst player yesterday? Chris Chambers. Who was the player Saban called "decent" in the media last week but tried to pump back up in a private meeting between the two? Chris Chambers.

See a pattern here?

The pattern is that Saban's private belief that the team isn't very good is "leaking" through is actions toward them, so the team gets the message, indirectly, that it isn't very good. Although he probably doesn't want to just come right out and SAY it for fear that it'll dash the team's confidence, the fact that it's "leaking" out causes the same result -- it tells the team that their coach doesn't think they're all that good, which hurts their confidence.

And it does it in a way that probably makes the team wonder just HOW bad Saban believes they are, since he hasn't just come right out and said it. Parcells would come right out and say it, and his team would know exactly how he feels about them.

This team needs to be told exactly what it is, and Saban needs to stick by it instead of trying to "repair" what he says like he's repairing a fragile ego. Chris Chambers IS decent. Live with it Chris, and try to correct it YOURSELF.

The reason for all this? I believe it all comes back to Saban's desire to have a successful first year as a head coach. So instead of telling this team what it is and breaking them down mentally and then building them back up through REAL achievement, a la Parcells, he's trying to give them the mental boost he thinks they need to compensate for their physical problems.

Kind of like trying to teach something to a mentally ******ed guy -- you're gonna overhype just about everything he does right, because deep down you know he needs it to compensate for his lack of intelligence. The only difference is that he isn't smart enough to know that underneath your effusive praise is your belief that he needs it because he isn't very smart.

But I think this team is smart enough to know Saban's doing the same thing, even though they may not be consciously aware of it.
 
I have to disagree.

I think he is coddling the team and being excessively positive because he knows how fragile their team psyche is. Two example come to mind, how he handled Chambers whining about being called decent and how he handles each loss going out of his way to say how proud of the teams effort he is.

The Tuna would never say he was proud of a losing effort, not even if you put a gun to his head. :evil:

Parcells, Don Shula, JJ none of them I think would be so positive when faced with constant underachieving. Playoffs!!! :evil:

I think right now he is just trying to get them to play hard and not give up like they did last year. Next year hopefully he will have a few more strong willed players, and less Howards and 84's..
 
I believe Saban will make this team a champion. You must be the guy with the silly sign from yesterdays game? The players need to execute. They didnt get it done yesterday. Let the man build his team. Be patient. This year is nothing but to see what we got and where we go from here. RElax, enjoy the rest of the season knowing that we will be drafting studs again and building a great team. This team is not entirely Sabans yet to be critisized from the standpoint you say.
 
When you think about it, he is doing no different than Bill Parsells.
 
This is a coach that is just trying to feel his way with a pro team! No matter how you look at it this guy is a college head coach and needs to figure it out! I didn't expect him to step in and just have this team figured out! I think he will find out how he wants to do it! The bottom line is this a bad team right now! You can talk about all the talent this team does or doesn't have! But when you look at a game like yesterday, and see how they struggled with a team that had 16 players out of action and 10 of them were starters! Think of how this team would look if you took 10 starters away and a lot of them on D! This is a rebuilding project and it's going to take time! If you going to get crazy over every play and game then your going to be a very unhappy person watching this team! They are going to have to fight just to have a change at .500! This team is a couple years away from being good!
 
tcdrover said:
I have to disagree.

I think he is coddling the team and being excessively positive because he knows how fragile their team psyche is. Two example come to mind, how he handled Chambers whining about being called decent and how he handles each loss going out of his way to say how proud of the teams effort he is.

The Tuna would never say he was proud of a losing effort, not even if you put a gun to his head. :evil:

Parcells, Don Shula, JJ none of them I think would be so positive when faced with constant underachieving. Playoffs!!! :evil:

I think right now he is just trying to get them to play hard and not give up like they did last year. Next year hopefully he will have a few more strong willed players, and less Howards and 84's..
But why would your psyche be so fragile unless you believe you aren't that good? And would you rather have a coach who keeps your psyche fragile by indirectly telling you that you aren't very good, or would you rather just be told you aren't very good directly, have your psyche dashed once and for all, and then build it back up through real achievement?
 
finfan54 said:
I believe Saban will make this team a champion. You must be the guy with the silly sign from yesterdays game? The players need to execute. They didnt get it done yesterday. Let the man build his team. Be patient. This year is nothing but to see what we got and where we go from here. RElax, enjoy the rest of the season knowing that we will be drafting studs again and building a great team. This team is not entirely Sabans yet to be critisized from the standpoint you say.


Great post! ^^^ :clap: :clap:
 
shouright said:
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/football/13161390.htm
I started a thread after the Buffalo game saying that Saban overhyped the Carolina win in the team's locker room celebration. If you saw the celebration on the team's website, you saw Saban tell the team they "did something special," and then he gave them more days off than usual going into the bye week. The team whooped and yelled and was very grateful for their reward.

I think that sent the wrong message to this team.

Number one, the team didn't really do anything all that special that day. Had they blown Carolina out, THAT would've been special. As it was we had a nail-biter that made us hold our collective breath until nearly the final whistle.

Overhyping a win like that sends the message to the team that they NEED an extra pat on the back to feel good about themselves. And why would a team need an extra pat on the back to feel good about itself? -- because it isn't that good in the first place.

And that's the message that was sent that day IMO -- that the coach thought the team wasn't that good.

We've lost 5 of 6 since.

Yesterday Saban praised the effort the team gave against New England. That was a winnable game that was lost in large part by lack of effort and concentration (Chambers's drops were huge all day). Why single out the one thing you think the team did well (effort) and talk about it instead of talking about the ways they played badly?

If you still don't think a team is all that good, then you may think another pat on the back will do the trick. But again, the underlying message is, "You aren't that good."

Who was our worst player yesterday? Chris Chambers. Who was the player Saban called "decent" in the media last week but tried to pump back up in a private meeting between the two? Chris Chambers.

See a pattern here?

The pattern is that Saban's private belief that the team isn't very good is "leaking" through is actions toward them, so the team gets the message, indirectly, that it isn't very good. Although he probably doesn't want to just come right out and SAY it for fear that it'll dash the team's confidence, the fact that it's "leaking" out causes the same result -- it tells the team that their coach doesn't think they're all that good, which hurts their confidence.

And it does it in a way that probably makes the team wonder just HOW bad Saban believes they are, since he hasn't just come right out and said it. Parcells would come right out and say it, and his team would know exactly how he feels about them.

This team needs to be told exactly what it is, and Saban needs to stick by it instead of trying to "repair" what he says like he's repairing a fragile ego. Chris Chambers IS decent. Live with it Chris, and try to correct it YOURSELF.

The reason for all this? I believe it all comes back to Saban's desire to have a successful first year as a head coach. So instead of telling this team what it is and breaking them down mentally and then building them back up through REAL achievement, a la Parcells, he's trying to give them the mental boost he thinks they need to compensate for their physical problems.

Kind of like trying to teach something to a mentally ******ed guy -- you're gonna overhype just about everything he does right, because deep down you know he needs it to compensate for his lack of intelligence. The only difference is that he isn't smart enough to know that underneath your effusive praise is your belief that he needs it because he isn't very smart.

But I think this team is smart enough to know Saban's doing the same thing, even though they may not be consciously aware of it.

Well at least your not trying to read into things to much:shakeno: .
 
I don't think he cuddles his players, he just likes to keep things in house. None of his college players would say that, and he did make a player cry in practice.
 
shouright said:
But why would your psyche be so fragile unless you believe you aren't that good? And would you rather have a coach who keeps your psyche fragile by indirectly telling you that you aren't very good, or would you rather just be told you aren't very good directly, have your psyche dashed once and for all, and then build it back up through real achievement?

What did Chambers do when told he was merely decent?

Instead of lighting a competetive fire in him, he cried about having his feelings hurt. I think Saban was trying to get him fired up, but instead he found out what a sensitive guy CC is. Now what do you do? Get him a box of kleenex, he needs him for the rest of the year.

I agree with you, I wouldn't be quite so nice about it, but I think I understand why he's doing it. Its not because he's soft. He has to find out what kind of players he has, and try and get the most out of them, especially the ones he really doesn't want around...
 
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