Saban, Gus, and things Dolphans should consider!

[thejetssuck]

I thought I should start this thread in response to all the threads posted by everyone about our qb situation, coaching additions, etc... Lets start with the qb situation. Though I am not opposed to saban picking up a qb in FA,I'd
also be fine with having gus for another year. Now hear me out before you decide to start flaming me.

First of all, you all need to realize that Saban is more qualified, experienced, and knowledgable in regards to evaluating talent (in this case, the qb) than ANYONE who posts on this board, that is assuming that God himself hasn't been posting here under a secret login name (but I don't think Dan Marino posts on finheaven ). But for all those people who are convinced that we still need a FA qb (which we may) and like to beat up on gus, here are a few points to consider.

For one thing, his accuracy (and rating as well) seemed to improve later in the season. Chemistry with receivers is more important than most of you think. I am confident that with gus at the helm and an improved O-line, and working in MM's system, he could complete at least 56% of his passes, maybe 60% if he is having a break out year. And if gus could have a 60% comp % while still maintaining his ability to make smart decisions (something fiedler could NEVER do) then this team would flourish with the weapons it has(booker, chambers, RR, RW, etc....). And 60% is NOT out of the question, I mean after all, look what MM did with stewart and maddox. These are guys I wouldn't exactly call "UPGRADES" over frerotte if you catch my drift. But realisticaly, I see gus having a comp % of around 58%, which would equate to a BIG improvement in our offensive production. I still want us to get someone in the draft, ( I am really hoping for Cutler, well, more like praying, cuz I know he probably won't be there when we pick), but if it is another year with gus, or even giving sage a try for a year, I will be perfectly fine with it. Because I have COMPLETE faith in Saban. Everything he has done that I have questioned, (which isn't a whole lot admittedly)he has just ended up making me eat my words as an appetizer, my doubts as an entree, a big old side of "See? I DID know what I was doing." for dessert. So I ask you all to please have some faith in what this organization is doing. Do that, and I promise you will not be dissappointed (unless you are just irrational, unreasonable and hard to please, like SO MANY jets and bills fans ) . Ponder this, and discuss if you feel the inclination to do so.

 

[dominizzo]

Great Read

 

[Fin-Loco]

I thought I should start this thread in response to all the threads posted by everyone about our qb situation, coaching additions, etc... Lets start with the qb situation. Though I am not opposed to saban picking up a qb in FA,I'd
also be fine with having gus for another year. Now hear me out before you decide to start flaming me.

First of all, you all need to realize that Saban is more qualified, experienced, and knowledgable in regards to evaluating talent (in this case, the qb) than ANYONE who posts on this board, that is assuming that God himself hasn't been posting here under a secret login name (but I don't think Dan Marino posts on finheaven ). But for all those people who are convinced that we still need a FA qb (which we may) and like to beat up on gus, here are a few points to consider.

For one thing, his accuracy (and rating as well) seemed to improve later in the season. Chemistry with receivers is more important than most of you think. I am confident that with gus at the helm and an improved O-line, and working in MM's system, he could complete at least 56% of his passes, maybe 60% if he is having a break out year. And if gus could have a 60% comp % while still maintaining his ability to make smart decisions (something fiedler could NEVER do) then this team would flourish with the weapons it has(booker, chambers, RR, RW, etc....). And 60% is NOT out of the question, I mean after all, look what MM did with stewart and maddox. These are guys I wouldn't exactly call "UPGRADES" over frerotte if you catch my drift. But realisticaly, I see gus having a comp % of around 58%, which would equate to a BIG improvement in our offensive production. I still want us to get someone in the draft, ( I am really hoping for Cutler, well, more like praying, cuz I know he probably won't be there when we pick), but if it is another year with gus, or even giving sage a try for a year, I will be perfectly fine with it. Because I have COMPLETE faith in Saban. Everything he has done that I have questioned, (which isn't a whole lot admittedly)he has just ended up making me eat my words as an appetizer, my doubts as an entree, a big old side of "See? I DID know what I was doing." for dessert. So I ask you all to please have some faith in what this organization is doing. Do that, and I promise you will not be dissappointed (unless you are just irrational, unreasonable and hard to please, like SO MANY jets and bills fans ) . Ponder this, and discuss if you feel the inclination to do so.

Nice post. I liked the Marino part.

But, wouldn't Frerotte have naturally gotten better as the season progressed? He is after all a starting NFL QB. I expected as much. He was playing in an offensive system and with an OC that was quite familiar to him. The same won't be true with Mularkey. More importantly, is Mularkey going to hang his hat on Frerotte? I doubt it. He may have had Losman in Buffalo. But, now he's solely in charge of the offense and not trying to run a whole team. He'll lokk for someone who has the big play ability he was able to get out of slash in the 'Burgh. He needs someone who can move. He'll want a Mike Vick kinda player. Not slow old gussy.

 

[Roman529]

Nice post. I liked the Marino part.

But, wouldn't Frerotte have naturally gotten better as the season progressed? He is after all a starting NFL QB. I expected as much. He was playing in an offensive system and with an OC that was quite familiar to him. The same won't be true with Mularkey. More importantly, is Mularkey going to hang his hat on Frerotte? I doubt it. He may have had Losman in Buffalo. But, now he's solely in charge of the offense and not trying to run a whole team. He'll lokk for someone who has the big play ability he was able to get out of slash in the 'Burgh. He needs someone who can move. He'll want a Mike Vick kinda player. Not slow old gussy.

I agree we need a guy with a little more speed at QB.....but Vince Young will not be around....so I think we should try for Cutler, if this doesn't work, maybe Omar Jacobs in round 2? I think Saban will go after the BPA if Cutler is gone by the 16th pick.

 

[thejetssuck]

Nice post. I liked the Marino part.

But, wouldn't Frerotte have naturally gotten better as the season progressed? He is after all a starting NFL QB. ...... He'll lokk for someone who has the big play ability he was able to get out of slash in the 'Burgh. He needs someone who can move. He'll want a Mike Vick kinda player. Not slow old gussy.

Thanks for the positive comments. But I would like to clarify myself so as not to give other people the wrong idea.

I don't want anyone to confuse my original post as being one that implies that, "Gus is the answer for us this year". Because honestly I have no idea if he is the best option for right now, only Saban and his staff are in a position to properly determine who will work best in this offense. (Have a little faith guys, its not like wannspiel is running the organization :whew:). Also, lots of qbs regress as a season goes along, I take it as a postive sign we saw improvement in gus, which makes me feel better "IF" he is our qb next year.

And on your 2nd point, you could very well be right. MM might want a guy who can run. But MM also got great play out of tommy Maddox who I don't think is much of a burner (but I am not sure of this, so correct me if I am wrong).

 

[Kadiddlehopper]

Didn't Nick say at his end of year press conference that improved Qb play was the 1st thing on his agenda that needed improvement? Translation = someone better than Gus.

 

[DolfanTom]

First of all, you all need to realize that Saban is more qualified, experienced, and knowledgable in regards to evaluating talent (in this case, the qb) than ANYONE who posts on this board.

Wow, it took you only 44 posts to figure this out! The force is strong with you!

God would post on this site, but I heard he's busy in the smack forums on GangGreen.com and BillsZone.com.

ope: Just End The Season, J ... E ... T ... S .... Suck Suck Suck.

 

[miameheet]

Im not quite sure about gus either. He's very inconsistent and through the years has become quite weathered. We need a FA that can get us through the next few seasons and get us into the playoffs while we groom a young qb like a cutler. Frerotte will never lead us to the playoffs, sorry to say.

 

[Bottle Nose]

Mularkey may be the qback upgrade he was talking about..

I think it just took Ferrotte half a season to shake the rust off. I really think he's got one to two years left before his skills start eroding.

Of course, after the spanking Sage gave Buffalo last year, he may already be Mularkey's favorite.

 

[wyo]

I'm still waiting for us to start a QB that wasn't some other teams backup. This strategy has not worked well for us. I think this is the year that we finally draft a QB that might be our starter instead of going after QB retreads. If Ferrote is the best we can do then I feel that we will be in trouble. He does not instill fear into the opposing defense. We need a QB that does. We havn't had one since you know who.

 

[nopony]

First of all, you all need to realize that Saban is more qualified, experienced, and knowledgable in regards to evaluating talent (in this case, the qb) than ANYONE who posts on this board, that is assuming that God himself hasn't been posting here under a secret login name (but I don't think Dan Marino posts on finheaven ).

And the very first thing Saban said we needed to upgrade this offseason was quarterback. He is not content with Gus, nor should he be. He's not stupid.

And a quick side trip to this:

Mularkey may be the qback upgrade he was talking about..

Unless Mularky is going to put on pads and start on Sunday... no.

For one thing, his accuracy (and rating as well) seemed to improve later in the season.

Not really. In his last six games he had THREE of them with Qb ratings at 70.3, 54.9 and 58.3.

Overall he had ELEVEN games with a rating of 71.7 or lower.

That. Is. Awful.

Chemistry with receivers is more important than most of you think.

Actually it's LESS important than most people on here think. Talent is far, far more important. Fieldler had chemistry out his butt.

I am confident that with gus at the helm and an improved O-line, and working in MM's system, he could complete at least 56% of his passes, maybe 60% if he is having a break out year.

Don't bet anything you can't afford to lose. Break out year at 35...:shakeno: :shakeno:

And if gus could have a 60% comp % while still maintaining his ability to make smart decisions (something fiedler could NEVER do) then this team would flourish with the weapons it has(booker, chambers, RR, RW, etc....).

People act like Gus threw zero INTs and neveer fumbled... he threw 13! That's not godawful, but it ain't "not making mistakes".

And 60% is NOT out of the question, I mean after all, look what MM did with stewart and maddox. These are guys I wouldn't exactly call "UPGRADES" over frerotte if you catch my drift. But realisticaly, I see gus having a comp % of around 58%, which would equate to a BIG improvement in our offensive production.

Not gonna happen. Why on earth would anyone think it would? This isn't a rookie, he's played forever. His CAREER comp % is 54.1... and that counts his prime.

I still want us to get someone in the draft, ( I am really hoping for Cutler, well, more like praying, cuz I know he probably won't be there when we pick), but if it is another year with gus, or even giving sage a try for a year, I will be perfectly fine with it. Because I have COMPLETE faith in Saban. Everything he has done that I have questioned, (which isn't a whole lot admittedly)he has just ended up making me eat my words as an appetizer, my doubts as an entree, a big old side of "See? I DID know what I was doing." for dessert. So I ask you all to please have some faith in what this organization is doing. Do that, and I promise you will not be dissappointed (unless you are just irrational, unreasonable and hard to please, like SO MANY jets and bills fans ) . Ponder this, and discuss if you feel the inclination to do so.

I do have faith. I have faith that Saban is too smart to go into next season with Gus as starter... and since he has said as much, I feel pretty good about that.

Gus is a terrible, terrible quarterback... and I have no idea why so many have drunk the Gus-flavored Kool-Aid.

 

[nopony]

I think it just took Ferrotte half a season to shake the rust off. I really think he's got one to two years left before his skills start eroding.

If Gus Ferotte's skills "erode" any further he won't be able to start in a co-ed rec league.

 

[thejetssuck]

And the very first thing Saban said we needed to upgrade this offseason was quarterback. He is not content with Gus, nor should he be. He's not stupid.

And a quick side trip to this:





Unless Mularky is going to put on pads and start on Sunday... no.



Not really. In his last six games he had THREE of them with Qb ratings at 70.3, 54.9 and 58.3.

Overall he had ELEVEN games with a rating of 71.7 or lower.

That. Is. Awful.



Actually it's LESS important than most people on here think. Talent is far, far more important. Fieldler had chemistry out his butt.



Don't bet anything you can't afford to lose. Break out year at 35...:shakeno: :shakeno:



People act like Gus threw zero INTs and neveer fumbled... he threw 13! That's not godawful, but it ain't "not making mistakes".



Not gonna happen. Why on earth would anyone think it would? This isn't a rookie, he's played forever. His CAREER comp % is 54.1... and that counts his prime.



I do have faith. I have faith that Saban is too smart to go into next season with Gus as starter... and since he has said as much, I feel pretty good about that.

Gus is a terrible, terrible quarterback... and I have no idea why so many have drunk the Gus-flavored Kool-Aid.

Once again, my thread was NOT a pro-Gus thread. I simply meant to imply that if Saban and co. decide to start Gus this year (e.g. they saw/had no other better options available), then I would support their decision and trust their judgement. I am not saying gus WILL start, or is the best qb available, but there is also the chance other teams could outbid us for FA qbs that saban and co. see as upgrades at the position. If we draft a qb (which i'm guessing we will), gus might be our best/only chance of winning games while the rookie learns. The main point I am emphasizing is that if gus starts next year, don't put up threads like "gus sucks" and "saban is an idiot". For one, if gus starts, he will play his hardest which is all you can ask. And 2nd, if gus stinks the place up, Saban will bench him and put in someone else IF he thinks they are capable of doing better. All I'm saying is SUPPORT YOU TEAM!!! If you think you can do a better job running the team, stop complaining and try to get a football coaching job somewhere and work your way up to eventually become an nfl coach. However if wannspiel was still running this team, I would agree that you ALL make valid and strong points.

 

[ibemacin]

Once again, my thread was NOT a pro-Gus thread. I simply meant to imply that if Saban and co. decide to start Gus this year (e.g. they saw/had no other better options available), then I would support their decision and trust their judgement. I am not saying gus WILL start, or is the best qb available, but there is also the chance other teams could outbid us for FA qbs that saban and co. see as upgrades at the position. If we draft a qb (which i'm guessing we will), gus might be our best/only chance of winning games while the rookie learns. The main point I am emphasizing is that if gus starts next year, don't put up threads like "gus sucks" and "saban is an idiot". For one, if gus starts, he will play his hardest which is all you can ask. And 2nd, if gus stinks the place up, Saban will bench him and put in someone else IF he thinks they are capable of doing better. All I'm saying is SUPPORT YOU TEAM!!! If you think you can do a better job running the team, stop complaining and try to get a football coaching job somewhere and work your way up to eventually become an nfl coach. However if wannspiel was still running this team, I would agree that you ALL make valid and strong points.

You have to trust them because they are the ones making the money not us. Of course if we were talking about the Detroit Lions then I would not be saying that lol.

If they feel they can bring another QB in here that is guarenteed to be better than Gus then they prolly will but they will not just take a chance on somebody unless they are sure they can do something good!

 

[nopony]

If they feel they can bring another QB in here that is guarenteed to be better than Gus then they prolly will but they will not just take a chance on somebody unless they are sure they can do something good!

They need to take a chance on someone even if they think he will be mediocore. Mediocore would be a pretty nice upgrade for us at quarterback.