Saban on Frerotte

[flintsilver7]

Can somebody explain to me how Gus repeatedly overthrowing, underthrowing, and generally making horrible passes is not his fault?

 

[ohall]

Because it is quite possible the receivers are running the wrong route, missreading hot reads because they are not as up to speed in this offense as Gus is.

I have no way of knowing if this is in fact what is going on, but logical tells me if Gus throws a short route and the receivers run a deep or medium in route Gus is far less likely to be at fault than the receiver.

 

[flintsilver7]

Because it is quite possible the receivers are running the wrong route, missreading hot reads because they are not as up to speed in this offense as Gus is.

I have no way of knowing if this is in fact what is going on, but logical tells me if Gus throws a short route and the receivers run a deep or medium in route Gus is far less likely to be at fault than the receiver.

I think there is no doubt that some type of miscommunication - I don't know who's at fault - is happening. However, Gus isn't an accurate quarterback (never has been) and when he is on the same page the throws have been pretty bad.

I just wonder why he's letting Gus off the hook so obviously when he has no problem calling out the secondary.

 

[DPlus47]

I just wonder why he's letting Gus off the hook so obviously when he has no problem calling out the secondary.

i don't think anybody would argue with you when you say that gus is REALLY inaccurate. he is not even close to accurate. i think saban might be "letting him off the hook" because he needs the o-line to block better, regardless of who the QB is.

 

[ohall]

I think there is no doubt that some type of miscommunication - I don't know who's at fault - is happening. However, Gus isn't an accurate quarterback (never has been) and when he is on the same page the throws have been pretty bad.

I just wonder why he's letting Gus off the hook so obviously when he has no problem calling out the secondary.

I gave a possible explination. All I know is the radio ppl who are all ex-NFL receivers all felt our receivers were letting Gus down in the Chiefs game. Nat Moore explained how on the Booker missed TD pass in the endzone that was more Booker's fault because a 1st year reciever knew a blitz was coming and because of the obvious blitz coming Booker should have known not to make an extra move.

 

[DPlus47]

I gave a possible explination. All I know is the radio ppl who are all ex-NFL receivers all felt our receivers were letting Gus down in the Chiefs game. Nat Moore explained how on the Booker missed TD pass in the endzone that was more Booker's fault because a 1st year reciever knew a blitz was coming and because of the obvious blitz coming Booker should have known not to make an extra move.

that makes a lot of sense. but why did he chuck the ball out of bounds? booker was open. why not nail him in the back of the head with it if he's in the wrong place? is the possible deflected INT the answer? (i'm thinking it is, but what better way to get a guy's attention?)

 

[ohall]

that makes a lot of sense. but why did he chuck the ball out of bounds? booker was open. why not nail him in the back of the head with it if he's in the wrong place? is the possible deflected INT the answer? (i'm thinking it is, but what better way to get a guy's attention?)

Because it was a blitz and Gus was under GREAT pressure. It was an excellent decision on Gus's part and an even better physical play for him to hold onto the ball as long as he did and then get it out. He threw the ball where only the receiver could have caught it. Well if Booker ran the correct route, due to the obvious blitz that was coming at Gus that is.

I have no doubt if Booker ran the right route, as far as not making an extra move on the DB Booker catches an easy TD. A pass that hits the ground 5-yars out of bounds is not a bad pass. These receivers jump 10 feet into the air to make catches. 5-yards out of bounds is a side line catch for a receiver.

Please understand I am not saying Gus didn't have a poor game, I think he did. But there were plays left on the field, and some of those plays were left on the field because our receivers are playing like crap. It's like a loop right now. They are all playing poorly.

 

[flintsilver7]

Because it was a blitz and Gus was under GREAT pressure. It was an excellent decision on Gus's part and an even better physical play for him to hold onto the ball as long as he did and then get it out. He threw the ball where only the receiver could have caught it. Well if Booker ran the correct route, due to the obvious blitz that was coming at Gus that is.

I have no doubt if Booker ran the right route, as far as not making an extra move on the DB Booker catches an easy TD. A pass that hits the ground 5-yars out of bounds is not a bad pass. These receivers jump 10 feet into the air to make catches. 5-yards out of bounds is a side line catch for a receiver.

Please understand I am not saying Gus didn't have a poor game, I think he did. But there were plays left on the field, and some of those plays were left on the field because our receivers are playing like crap. It's like a loop right now. They are all playing poorly.

I agree that some plays were left on the field. I think more of them were left due to Gus rather than to the receivers. We can debate that all day. I'm just trying to figure out why the receivers are getting blamed and Gus isn't.

 

[ohall]

I agree that some plays were left on the field. I think more of them were left due to Gus rather than to the receivers. We can debate that all day. I'm just trying to figure out why the receivers are getting blamed and Gus isn't.

In this past game yes I would have to agree more plays were left on the field because of Gus. I'm not trying to imply that is not the case.

However I do not believe that has been the case in the other TWO losses. I feel the other TWO losses were all on this WR corps shoulders. We have a highly over rated WR corps IMO and the most over rated WR is Chambers. He is supposed to carry an offense. I don't think anyone ever made that kind of case for Frerotte.

 

[DPlus47]

Because it was a blitz and Gus was under GREAT pressure. It was an excellent decision on Gus's part and an even better physical play for him to hold onto the ball as long as he did and then get it out. He threw the ball where only the receiver could have caught it. Well if Booker ran the correct route, due to the obvious blitz that was coming at Gus that is.

I have no doubt if Booker ran the right route, as far as not making an extra move on the DB Booker catches an easy TD. A pass that hits the ground 5-yars out of bounds is not a bad pass. These receivers jump 10 feet into the air to make catches. 5-yards out of bounds is a side line catch for a receiver.

Please understand I am not saying Gus didn't have a poor game, I think he did. But there were plays left on the field, and some of those plays were left on the field because our receivers are playing like crap. It's like a loop right now. They are all playing poorly.

maybe i'm thinking of the wrong play. is this the one where marty is alone in the end zone and the ball is well out of bounds? that ball was uncatchable, IMO. i'll have to look at it again. even chambers, with his 48" vertical (or thereabouts), doesn't catch that ball. i'll look at it again, though, before arguing about it. it didn't seem close at all.

 

[steveincolorado]

Because it was a blitz and Gus was under GREAT pressure. It was an excellent decision on Gus's part and an even better physical play for him to hold onto the ball as long as he did and then get it out. He threw the ball where only the receiver could have caught it. Well if Booker ran the correct route, due to the obvious blitz that was coming at Gus that is.

I have no doubt if Booker ran the right route, as far as not making an extra move on the DB Booker catches an easy TD. A pass that hits the ground 5-yars out of bounds is not a bad pass. These receivers jump 10 feet into the air to make catches. 5-yards out of bounds is a side line catch for a receiver.

Please understand I am not saying Gus didn't have a poor game, I think he did. But there were plays left on the field, and some of those plays were left on the field because our receivers are playing like crap. It's like a loop right now. They are all playing poorly.

Yep, I totally agree with you on this. Just like in the Super Bowl where Neil O'Donnell threw those two picks, we have no clue what the play was or if the receiver ran the wrong route or what just really happened, other than the pick.

 

[Rocky Raccoon]

I agree that some plays were left on the field. I think more of them were left due to Gus rather than to the receivers. We can debate that all day. I'm just trying to figure out why the receivers are getting blamed and Gus isn't.

It's not that Gus isn't getting blamed, he is, and he should be... but I believe it's also true that it's not all Frerotte's fault. The recievers and OL play a part in it as well. Truth is, they are all to blame.

 

[DPlus47]

i disagree about chambers "carrying an offense." what WR carries an offense? not even randy moss. if he could "carry their offense," the raiders would have more points and more wins.

 

[DPlus47]

Yep, I totally agree with you on this. Just like in the Super Bowl where Neil O'Donnell threw those two picks, we have no clue what the play was or if the receiver ran the wrong route or what just really happened, other than the pick.

it doesn't help the TV watching public that we can't see all the players on the screen at once. we miss the entire design of the play, unless it is shown and reshown and reshown.

 

[ohall]

maybe i'm thinking of the wrong play. is this the one where marty is alone in the end zone and the ball is well out of bounds? that ball was uncatchable, IMO. i'll have to look at it again. even chambers, with his 48" vertical (or thereabouts), doesn't catch that ball. i'll look at it again, though, before arguing about it. it didn't seem close at all.

Yup same play, and it was far from uncatchable if Booker didn't make his 2nd move on the DB that was covering him all by himself. It only hit about 3-yards out of bounds. It was a throw thrown with a lot of air under it.