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So far so good, everyone seems to agree he has made some good personnel moves and assembled an all star coaching staff, and thats great and all. but does anyone know how saban manages a game, i dont have much exposure to him at all prior to being hired here. i ask you is he good at clock management, player manipulation and motivation and all the other little things it takes to be successful in the nfl?
 
claytonAndDuper said:
So far so good, everyone seems to agree he has made some good personnel moves and assembled an all star coaching staff, and thats great and all. but does anyone know how saban manages a game, i dont have much exposure to him at all prior to being hired here. i ask you is he good at clock management, player manipulation and motivation and all the other little things it takes to be successful in the nfl?

I have heard that he is good at player motivation and manipulation. He figures out how best to relate and coach each player and figure out how to make the players respond positivly to him (Example - screamin in the face of some while being calm with others)

I have no idea how his game and clock management skills are though... anyone know?

Nasty
 
I recall watching some his games while he was coaching at LSU, in particular the Sugar Bowl vs. Oklohoma for the Nantional Title a couple years back and was impressed with both his Game Day strategy and his game management. However, I was not as impressed with his last game at LSU in which they played Iowa in one of the Bowl games. He seemed to have trouble at the end getting his team to respond in crucial third downs, both on Defense and Offense and they lost at the end. As for specifics, I can't recall them off the top of my head, as that was many many moons(not to mention Pilsners) ago.
 
as an lsu fan i have seen every national broadcast that lsu has been since saban was there and there have been a lot in recent years. i have never seen nick make a gameday mistake. clock management is perfect.
 
thats what im looking forward to hearing, we were so badly outclassed on the sidelines the last 5 years is been ridiculous. anyone else got an opinion on sabans sideline prowess?
 
ricky williams said:
as an lsu fan i have seen every national broadcast that lsu has been since saban was there and there have been a lot in recent years. i have never seen nick make a gameday mistake. clock management is perfect.

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BB has said that Saban has an uncanny gift for finding the nuances in another team's capabilities and tendencies; and developing plans to exploit them.
 
I am a huge Saban fan, but by no means is he perfect. I'm sure that there are people within the Dolphins organization that don't like him already. Saban doesn't know how to handle every player. For example, Dimitrious Underwood played for Saban at Michigan State and Nick couldn't motivate him to play during his junior year. I could give many more examples of interpersonal problems with players, coaches on his staff, boosters, etc. to support this argument; but I don't think it will be beneficial to the discussion. Nick's strength is not personal interaction. I imagine that this response will not be popular on this board, but it's the truth.

Nick's strength lies in everything else.

1. Saban knows football like no one else. Nick coached at MSU for 10 years. The other Spartan coaches were amazed by his abilities. He would see the smallest details on the other side of the field when the play happened that the other coaches would have to discover in analyzing the game film the following week. It could be a holding penalty, a hand flinch at the snap, a receiver stepping on the sideline, etc. Don't worry, Nick sees it.

2. He knows personnel. There is a reason why he went out and got Kevin Carter right off the bat. He knows that he brings the size, experience, and attitude to make the Dolphins winners. There is a reason why the Dolphins haven't gone after Ty Law. Don't worry, Nick knows.

3. Nick does tend to be a little more conservative than most coaches. He'll talk about wanting to have a balanced offense, but deep in his heart, when it's third and two, Saban wants to give the ball to his big running back and have him plow ahead for a first down.

4. Clock management? I think he is above average. I think at times he may put too much faith in his defense. If the Dolphins are up by 3, with 2 minutes left and the opponent has the ball at their own 20; Saban feels comfortable. He trusts his defense to make the stop. This sounds like a good thing, right? Well, it is but it also gives you an idea of what else to expect. Take that same situation except the Dolphins have the ball at the opponent's 40 yard line and it's 4th and 1, some coaches may decide to go for it to put the game away. Saban probably punts it away because he feels more comfortable letting his defense try to win the game.

5. What will cause Saban to lose it on the sidelines? If his defense gives up two big plays back to back, look out. Saban will run down the sideline screaming at the defensive back that blew the coverage. He can't stand watching those kinds of mental mistakes on defense. Don't expect to see the same thing on offense. If Feeley throws a pick, Saban will clap his hands as the offense comes off the field to try to keep their morale up.



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CanePhin22 said:
I recall watching some his games while he was coaching at LSU, in particular the Sugar Bowl vs. Oklohoma for the Nantional Title a couple years back and was impressed with both his Game Day strategy and his game management. However, I was not as impressed with his last game at LSU in which they played Iowa in one of the Bowl games. He seemed to have trouble at the end getting his team to respond in crucial third downs, both on Defense and Offense and they lost at the end. As for specifics, I can't recall them off the top of my head, as that was many many moons(not to mention Pilsners) ago.

Yea, that blown coverage on the last play made me scratch my head. But that can't be held against a terriffic career leading up to that play. Let's just say he was already mentally moved on to the NFL and it affected his team on that last play of that last game! I liked his quiet intensity, for what it's worth in the only game I saw of him at LSU.
 
SabanScience said:
I am a huge Saban fan, but by no means is he perfect. I'm sure that there are people within the Dolphins organization that don't like him already. Saban doesn't know how to handle every player. For example, Dimitrious Underwood played for Saban at Michigan State and Nick couldn't motivate him to play during his junior year. I could give many more examples of interpersonal problems with players, coaches on his staff, boosters, etc. to support this argument; but I don't think it will be beneficial to the discussion. Nick's strength is not personal interaction. I imagine that this response will not be popular on this board, but it's the truth.

Nick's strength lies in everything else.

1. Saban knows football like no one else. Nick coached at MSU for 10 years. The other Spartan coaches were amazed by his abilities. He would see the smallest details on the other side of the field when the play happened that the other coaches would have to discover in analyzing the game film the following week. It could be a holding penalty, a hand flinch at the snap, a receiver stepping on the sideline, etc. Don't worry, Nick sees it.

2. He knows personnel. There is a reason why he went out and got Kevin Carter right off the bat. He knows that he brings the size, experience, and attitude to make the Dolphins winners. There is a reason why the Dolphins haven't gone after Ty Law. Don't worry, Nick knows.

3. Nick does tend to be a little more conservative than most coaches. He'll talk about wanting to have a balanced offense, but deep in his heart, when it's third and two, Saban wants to give the ball to his big running back and have him plow ahead for a first down.

4. Clock management? I think he is above average. I think at times he may put too much faith in his defense. If the Dolphins are up by 3, with 2 minutes left and the opponent has the ball at their own 20; Saban feels comfortable. He trusts his defense to make the stop. This sounds like a good thing, right? Well, it is but it also gives you an idea of what else to expect. Take that same situation except the Dolphins have the ball at the opponent's 40 yard line and it's 4th and 1, some coaches may decide to go for it to put the game away. Saban probably punts it away because he feels more comfortable letting his defense try to win the game.

5. What will cause Saban to lose it on the sidelines? If his defense gives up two big plays back to back, look out. Saban will run down the sideline screaming at the defensive back that blew the coverage. He can't stand watching those kinds of mental mistakes on defense. Don't expect to see the same thing on offense. If Feeley throws a pick, Saban will clap his hands as the offense comes off the field to try to keep their morale up.



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you need to hang around here more often.
 
SabanScience said:
I am a huge Saban fan, but by no means is he perfect. I'm sure that there are people within the Dolphins organization that don't like him already. Saban doesn't know how to handle every player. For example, Dimitrious Underwood played for Saban at Michigan State and Nick couldn't motivate him to play during his junior year. I could give many more examples of interpersonal problems with players, coaches on his staff, boosters, etc. to support this argument; but I don't think it will be beneficial to the discussion. Nick's strength is not personal interaction. I imagine that this response will not be popular on this board, but it's the truth.

Nick's strength lies in everything else.

1. Saban knows football like no one else. Nick coached at MSU for 10 years. The other Spartan coaches were amazed by his abilities. He would see the smallest details on the other side of the field when the play happened that the other coaches would have to discover in analyzing the game film the following week. It could be a holding penalty, a hand flinch at the snap, a receiver stepping on the sideline, etc. Don't worry, Nick sees it.

2. He knows personnel. There is a reason why he went out and got Kevin Carter right off the bat. He knows that he brings the size, experience, and attitude to make the Dolphins winners. There is a reason why the Dolphins haven't gone after Ty Law. Don't worry, Nick knows.

3. Nick does tend to be a little more conservative than most coaches. He'll talk about wanting to have a balanced offense, but deep in his heart, when it's third and two, Saban wants to give the ball to his big running back and have him plow ahead for a first down.

4. Clock management? I think he is above average. I think at times he may put too much faith in his defense. If the Dolphins are up by 3, with 2 minutes left and the opponent has the ball at their own 20; Saban feels comfortable. He trusts his defense to make the stop. This sounds like a good thing, right? Well, it is but it also gives you an idea of what else to expect. Take that same situation except the Dolphins have the ball at the opponent's 40 yard line and it's 4th and 1, some coaches may decide to go for it to put the game away. Saban probably punts it away because he feels more comfortable letting his defense try to win the game.

5. What will cause Saban to lose it on the sidelines? If his defense gives up two big plays back to back, look out. Saban will run down the sideline screaming at the defensive back that blew the coverage. He can't stand watching those kinds of mental mistakes on defense. Don't expect to see the same thing on offense. If Feeley throws a pick, Saban will clap his hands as the offense comes off the field to try to keep their morale up.



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Awsome post:D
 
dolphan north said:
Yea, that blown coverage on the last play made me scratch my head. But that can't be held against a terriffic career leading up to that play. Let's just say he was already mentally moved on to the NFL and it affected his team on that last play of that last game! I liked his quiet intensity, for what it's worth in the only game I saw of him at LSU.


I will say that in 5 years at LSU, the last game against Iowa in the bowl game was his worst coaching performance, but a lot of it I'm sure had to do with the Dolphins on his mind. It was a very emotional period for LSU fans, the players and the coaches. By no means is he a perfect game day coach, but I would be hard pressed to find a better one than Saban. You fans will really be surprised, but he will have the phins playing better than the national media is giving them credit for. I still predit at least 10 wins this year. Just for reference, I've watched Saban in every home game and televised away game for the last 5 years.
 
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