Saban's only mistake

[DBoston80]

...thus far is overthinking and outsmarting himself by drafting Jason Allen....All the "special" safteys that have been first rounders lately have emerged onto the scene or atleast played solidtheir first year..

1st round S from the past 5 years:

Thomas Davis-a very solid starter with superstar qualities
Sean Taylor- A presence on the field..(not off)
Troy Palomalu-Pro bowler
Roy Williams- pro bowler
Ed Reed- best in the game..really wish we woulda kept our pick but hey.
Adam Archletta- Pro bowl caliber player..ala John Lynch
Derrick Gibson- he was drafted by the Raiders and is ok.

These are the ONLY S drafted in the 1st round in the past 5 drafts...not too many busts huh?? They're the cream of the crop save a few Vets...almost all bursted into the NFL and played well from the beginning...

Im not one of the "Ronnie is a bust, or Culpepper should be benched" crew...Im just saying usally with a position THAT easy to learn...U can tell..

I doubt Jason Allen will be worthy of the 16th pick..and thus I feel it was a huge mistake drafting him.

 

[MastR_EvaluatoR]

First off, go to the oakland board on www.FootballsFuture.com , they can't wait to get rid of Derrick Gibson. He totally sucks .

And secondly, Saban's other big mistake was getting Bennie Anderson.. The worst O-lineman for Buffalo last season.. And by far our worst this season.

With that said, it is way WAY too early to call J.Allen a bust. Especially considering a few of those safeties on your list weren't good their rookie seasons, including Polamalu. He actually sucked hard his rookie season and steeler fans were saying the same thing about that pick,.

 

[Canadianfishfan]

...thus far is overthinking and outsmarting himself by drafting Jason Allen....All the "special" safteys that have been first rounders lately have emerged onto the scene or atleast played solidtheir first year..

1st round S from the past 5 years:

Thomas Davis-a very solid starter with superstar qualities
Sean Taylor- A presence on the field..(not off)
Troy Palomalu-Pro bowler
Roy Williams- pro bowler
Ed Reed- best in the game..really wish we woulda kept our pick but hey.
Adam Archletta- Pro bowl caliber player..ala John Lynch
Derrick Gibson- he was drafted by the Raiders and is ok.

These are the ONLY S drafted in the 1st round in the past 5 drafts...not too many busts huh?? They're the cream of the crop save a few Vets...almost all bursted into the NFL and played well from the beginning...

Im not one of the "Ronnie is a bust, or Culpepper should be benched" crew...Im just saying usally with a position THAT easy to learn...U can tell..

I doubt Jason Allen will be worthy of the 16th pick..and thus I feel it was a huge mistake drafting him.

I think the real mistake is that you didnt use their rookie seasons to make this comparison. Palomalu didnt start a single game in his rookie season. And he was no-where the type of player he is now.

 

[jbyrd423]

i agree, while hes not a complete bust...yet, because were only into the first game of the season. but if he doesn't get some playing time real soon, ill be comfortable calling him a bust. safeties dont get drafted high for a reason, so when u draft 1 with the 16th pick, he better be a playmaker. ive said it b4 and ill say it again, we shoulda waited another year to draft a real playmaker/safety in merriweather

 

[Dol-Fan Dupree]

Derrick Gibson is a HUGE bust

 

[Canadianfishfan]

he dpn't need to force feed things to Allen. Let him develop. he doesn't need to start. He needs to be put in game situations where he can be successful. The game will then slow down a little for him. He's a rookie. Not a FA probowler.

 

[DBoston80]

Im not saying he's a bust......but too think he's gonna turn out to be worth the 16th pick in the draft seems far away from reality....

Donte Whitner looked pretty good in his first game....

Guys were talking about a player who has not showed one single sign of being a good player....and being a 1st round saftey you better not just be a solid starter you better be a friggin beast!

 

[Shamboubou]

I think the real mistake is that you didnt use their rookie seasons to make this comparison. Palomalu didnt start a single game in his rookie season. And he was no-where the type of player he is now.

Maybe everybody should take a second to read this post again.

 

[Geforce]

...thus far is overthinking and outsmarting himself by drafting Jason Allen....All the "special" safteys that have been first rounders lately have emerged onto the scene or atleast played solidtheir first year..

1st round S from the past 5 years:

Thomas Davis-a very solid starter with superstar qualities
Sean Taylor- A presence on the field..(not off)
Troy Palomalu-Pro bowler
Roy Williams- pro bowler
Ed Reed- best in the game..really wish we woulda kept our pick but hey.
Adam Archletta- Pro bowl caliber player..ala John Lynch
Derrick Gibson- he was drafted by the Raiders and is ok.

These are the ONLY S drafted in the 1st round in the past 5 drafts...not too many busts huh?? They're the cream of the crop save a few Vets...almost all bursted into the NFL and played well from the beginning...

Im not one of the "Ronnie is a bust, or Culpepper should be benched" crew...Im just saying usally with a position THAT easy to learn...U can tell..

I doubt Jason Allen will be worthy of the 16th pick..and thus I feel it was a huge mistake drafting him.

You must have never played safety at a high level to make a statement like that.
1st...Saban's defense is one of the most complicated in all of football to learn. I think there are over 300 pages to the playbook.
2nd...Jason Allen missed the most important part of training camp with his holdout. That alone has put him far behind everyone else that it will be difficult to catch up.
3rd...Jason Allen has been trying to learn two defensive back postions not one like the others you've mentioned.
4th...you may not be one of those "Ronnie is a bust and Culpepper should be benched" crew but you are not far from being one.

 

[cnc66]

...thus far is overthinking and outsmarting himself by drafting Jason Allen....All the "special" safteys that have been first rounders lately have emerged onto the scene or atleast played solidtheir first year..

1st round S from the past 5 years:

Thomas Davis-a very solid starter with superstar qualities
Sean Taylor- A presence on the field..(not off)
Troy Palomalu-Pro bowler
Roy Williams- pro bowler
Ed Reed- best in the game..really wish we woulda kept our pick but hey.
Adam Archletta- Pro bowl caliber player..ala John Lynch
Derrick Gibson- he was drafted by the Raiders and is ok.

These are the ONLY S drafted in the 1st round in the past 5 drafts...not too many busts huh?? They're the cream of the crop save a few Vets...almost all bursted into the NFL and played well from the beginning...

Im not one of the "Ronnie is a bust, or Culpepper should be benched" crew...Im just saying usally with a position THAT easy to learn...U can tell..

I doubt Jason Allen will be worthy of the 16th pick..and thus I feel it was a huge mistake drafting him.

you are a relentless hater who knows next to nothing...how much did YOU get paid to make personell decisions last year???

 

[DBoston80]

You must have never played safety at a high level to make a statement like that.
1st...Saban's defense is one of the most complicated in all of football to learn. I think there are over 300 pages to the playbook.
2nd...Jason Allen missed the most important part of training camp with his holdout. That alone has put him far behind everyone else that it will be difficult to catch up.
3rd...Jason Allen has been trying to learn two defensive back postions not one like the others you've mentioned.
4th...you may not be one of those "Ronnie is a bust and Culpepper should be benched" crew but you are not far from being one.

The point must have flew over yor head..(shocking)...he has not made ONE single play based on atheletic ability...preseason or anything....ANd i said Im not calling him a bust..Im calling him a mistake for being picked so high.

 

[DBoston80]

you are a relentless hater who knows next to nothing...how much did YOU get paid to make personell decisions last year???

Your right...Im "hating" on him.:sidelol: ...Im wrong it looks at this point to be a brilliant pick!!!

If I was in touch with my feminine side I would threaten to cry to a mod for your insults....ala JJ

 

[jac3477]

Jason allen is not a mistake, Renaldo Hill and Will Allen certainly are.

I LOVE SABAN. let me start off by saying that. Great, intelligent, intense coach who knows everything about the game. That being said, there are many naive people on this board who are left drifting through the clouds as a result of teh Wanny era, because of this these people believe Saban is all knowing and has some freakish power to never be wrong. This is obviously false. Saban has made FEW mistakes, but he has made them.

Not working out a better secondary this year for us is by far his BIGGEST mistake (which doesnt say much) yet it is in reality a BIG mistake. I understand Sam Madison is on the decline and he had to go..yet why in he world did we go after Will Allen, hes never been above average, and Giants fans were happy to see him go. The guy isnt anything too impressive. That wouldnt be bad except we have Renaldo Hill who looks somewhat lost most of the time. Trust me, Hill will be released come next off season, and he wont be playing much after the next couple of weeks. Saban also proceeded to get rid of Lance Schulters who was our biggest play maker in the secondary last season, in place of Jason Allen, who held out..looked pretty confused in the pre season, and doesnt look like hell be seeing the field next week either. Behind him at safety are Bell and Tillman, who Saban was obviously trying to upgrade over with Schulters and Jones last season and Allen this season..yet they are our starters right now..:confused:. To make a long list of names short, we have all these unproven (not necessarily young either) guys who look like they need another month of training camp as we head into week 2 of the season. It was a mistake to bank on Allen with the 16th pick not because of Allen himself, but because we had much more pressing needs at Cornerback ( I would much rather see some solid corners with Bell and Tillman, than Allen with the corners we have now). There were good corners available at the 16th spot..and some came available in the off season. Would it have killed us to keep Sam one more year? Keep Schulters? I dont know, Im not the coach...the only think I can tell you is this team will go to the play offs no thanks to the secondary, and we will lose in the play offs because of it...

 

[DBoston80]

Maybe everybody should take a second to read this post again.

If Allen ends up with 2 sacks ad a ff with 40 tackles his first year..LIKE TROY DID!!!!!!!!! I'll be very happy..so to suggest he had a bad rookie year would be your own opinion.

 

[sticks21]

Other than the interception, Donte Whitner didn't do much. This defense is much more sofisticated than people realize and it takes a while to digest (listen to the veterans talk and how long it has taken them). Taken that into account and the fact that he signed late and was moved to corner didn't help either. So don't expect much from Jason "Maybe" until later on in the season or possibly next year. Be patient it's way too early to be talking bust here.