Salary Cap Facts

[miamiron]

I've learned to five FA's a second year to adapt to a new team. Burnett was the perfect example. I hated the signing and the money we gave him. In his first year he proved me as right as could be but, in his second year, as wrong as can be and I was glad to have him.

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Burnett stats were almost exact from year ONE TO YEAR TWO

2011 he had 106 tackles...2012 he had 110 tackles a difference of 4 tackles hardly a difference

2011 and 2012 he had the exact same sack numbers with 2.5 sacks

2011 he had 1 interception...2012 he had 0 interceptions again almost the same

2011 he had 1 forced fumble...2012 he had 0 forced fumbles

Not sure where you see the big difference when Burnett's stats were almost exact from one year to the next

 

[So Be]

Burnett stats were almost exact from year ONE TO YEAR TWO

2011 he had 106 tackles...2012 he had 110 tackles a difference of 4 tackles hardly a difference

2011 and 2012 he had the exact same sack numbers with 2.5 sacks

2011 he had 1 interception...2012 he had 0 interceptions again almost the same

2011 he had 1 forced fumble...2012 he had 0 forced fumbles

Not sure where you see the big difference when Burnett's stats were almost exact from one year to the next

In 2011, he was inside with Dansby in a 3-4, and did nothing well. His rank was #42 of 51 ILB. Then he moved to the outside and jumped to #4 with his overall play.

Ranks and stats aside, from what I remember he looked lost on many a play and looked like a waste of money with his overall play, and no one disagreed back then.

 

[So Be]

South beach ascribes to the "Whimpy" approach to financing (i'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today). Unfortunately it only works when you don't actually pay on Tuesday. As for flexibility, I'd say that all these high bonus/ guaranteed money contracts give the fins less flexibility. Just look at all the players that we are struck with now; Ellerbe, Wheeler, Wallace, Hartline, R. Jones, and Gibson. Imagine if Ellerbe or Wallace had a career ending injury. Now look what would have happened to us if we didn't have the 18 million carry over from last year. We'd have enough to sign our rookies and a few second tier players or we could gladly pay you Tuesday for a O-lineman today. The bottom line is all these gimmicks only delay the inevitable. The best way to beat the cap is to get cheap young talent through the draft.

LOL, guess you just don't understand how the cap works there Bluto.

 

[dlockz]

It's a combo deal. A capologist has to project out the team's cap for at least 3 years for existing players, expected cap increases, etc, etc, and give a GM a contract budget to work with in that time frame. This is normally why you see players getting more and less on their deals than just the same each year. You adjust everything as contracts are signed as well as players increasing or decreasing in value based on their play.

I understand how the years are not always equal I just feel we outbid ourselves and replaced two high priced linebackers with two other high priced linebackers that were not an improvement. We didn't get cheaper in reality outside of the one year window that is already over. On any new contract u will get cheaper for one season because the lowest cost of the contract is year one. This was my biggest problem with the Ellerbee contract. His former team had no intention of paying him the kind of money we did but out of nowhere we decide he should be paid among the top ILB's in the league based on one season, even though he couldn't beat out a very average ILB the rest of the time..

Back to your point about Aponte Im sure the overall parameters of the contract are agreed to and then Aponte is the one that actually works out the details.

 

[So Be]

I understand how the years are not always equal I just feel we outbid ourselves and replaced two high priced linebackers with two other high priced linebackers that were not an improvement. We didn't get cheaper in reality outside of the one year window that is already over. On any new contract u will get cheaper for one season because the lowest cost of the contract is year one. This was my biggest problem with the Ellerbee contract. His former team had no intention of paying him the kind of money we did but out of nowhere we decide he should be paid among the top ILB's in the league based on one season, even though he couldn't beat out a very average ILB the rest of the time..

Back to your point about Aponte Im sure the overall parameters of the contract are agreed to and then Aponte is the one that actually works out the details.

In FA you are gonna overpay, and I do agree that we did that with Ellerbe and Wheeler, same as Fansby and Burnett before them. When and how the money is paid in this case became pointless. You have made good points in the past on why we are stuck paying for FA's.

However, I liked the signings, especially Ellerbe. I saw him play in a couple of games during the season, as well as the SB run vs top competition, and was impressed, regardless of what he did before.

He was not the same player last year, and I saw a lot of hesitation and indecision from what I saw the year before. I'm betting he plays up to his contract this year. We shall see.

 

[dlockz]

In FA you are gonna overpay, and I do agree that we did that with Ellerbe and Wheeler, same as Fansby and Burnett before them. When and how the money is paid in this case became pointless. You have made good points in the past on why we are stuck paying for FA's.

However, I liked the signings, especially Ellerbe. I saw him play in a couple of games during the season, as well as the SB run vs top competition, and was impressed, regardless of what he did before.

He was not the same player last year, and I saw a lot of hesitation and indecision from what I saw the year before. I'm betting he plays up to his contract this year. We shall see.

Atleast Dansby had a history of being good and not being a backup to a very average linebacker