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[FinFanUFGrad]

I was just thinking, last year was a heavy QB draft right? We haven't had the chance to see many of them in good action last year, other than Eli, but he pretty much showed that scouts can be way wrong. They all touted rivers, manning, loseman...roethlesberger wasn't even that hyped up and yet he had a stellar year. My point is this...
Why in the hell did SF pay Smith so much when he hasn't proved anything yet? :yell: Manning was 5 or 6 points higher in QB combine rating system and yet smith got more in his contract than manning did. Why? :fire: It's reason enough to justify why Miami is fumbling the contract talks with Brown now...they are in sticker shock!!! :confused:
Guys...RBs don't carry as much value nowadays...that's a fact...there are just so many good backs out there and they are easy to replace. If you don't believe me just ask Denver and where does their outstanding RBs get them each year?? Maybe one playoff win. So they are good to have and they might win some games, but you need more than them to succeed. I don't know why we are even contemplating paying Brown so much, but I guess SF is to blame for that...kinda kicks a little of the wind out of the sail for this year when you think that a guy who's only gonna carry a football maybe 20-25 times a game...and that's a big maybe...is gonna cost our salary cap a MONSTER portion going forward. :eek:

 

[FinFanUFGrad]

I forgot to ask the question...Do you think Brown knows that? I mean, I applaude them for getting what they can...I do...because it can all be over in a second, but do you think he knows that we are about to highly overpay him??

 

[Dubfire]

I was just thinking, last year was a heavy QB draft right? We haven't had the chance to see many of them in good action last year, other than Eli, but he pretty much showed that scouts can be way wrong. They all touted rivers, manning, loseman...roethlesberger wasn't even that hyped up and yet he had a stellar year. My point is this...
Why in the hell did SF pay Smith so much when he hasn't proved anything yet? :yell: Manning was 5 or 6 points higher in QB combine rating system and yet smith got more in his contract than manning did. Why? :fire: It's reason enough to justify why Miami is fumbling the contract talks with Brown now...they are in sticker shock!!! :confused:
Guys...RBs don't carry as much value nowadays...that's a fact...there are just so many good backs out there and they are easy to replace. If you don't believe me just ask Denver and where does their outstanding RBs get them each year?? Maybe one playoff win. So they are good to have and they might win some games, but you need more than them to succeed. I don't know why we are even contemplating paying Brown so much, but I guess SF is to blame for that...kinda kicks a little of the wind out of the sail for this year when you think that a guy who's only gonna carry a football maybe 20-25 times a game...and that's a big maybe...is gonna cost our salary cap a MONSTER portion going forward. :eek:

I dont understand all these thread about "Pay Ronnie this" and "Dont pay Ronnie that"...we knew we were going to have to pay out the wazoo no matter who we picked at no. 2 OVERALL. These salaries are slotted like that. It's not really a matter of choice. The numbers are there, it's a matter of how we structure it. And thats the big hang up right now. :

 

[FinFanUFGrad]

I dont understand all these thread about "Pay Ronnie this" and "Dont pay Ronnie that"...we knew we were going to have to pay out the wazoo no matter who we picked at no. 2 OVERALL. These salaries are slotted like that. It's not really a matter of choice. The numbers are there, it's a matter of how we structure it. And thats the big hang up right now. :

Uh...try again buddy. "The salaries are slotted like that" based on the first contract. SF set the bar way way way higher than they needed to. That's the point of this thread. Try again.

 

[Dubfire]

Uh...try again buddy. "The salaries are slotted like that" based on the first contract. SF set the bar way way way higher than they needed to. That's the point of this thread. Try again.

Uh..no. Slotted based on this year an also last year. Try again.

You went to UF, so the math probably is not too good. :goof:

But if you would read th articles, they keep referring to 20% increases over LAST years bonuses. Thats the standard.

:shakeno:

 

[Phinz1972]

Uh...try again buddy. "The salaries are slotted like that" based on the first contract. SF set the bar way way way higher than they needed to. That's the point of this thread. Try again.

In the eyes of fans that have teams that picked in the top five, SF did put the bar way too high, but in SF(owner, coach, etc...), they were not setting a bar, they were giving the kid what they felt he deserved and what he needed to get in order to get in training camp and start where Steve Young left off at.

 

[ch19079]

why pay the #1 overall draft pick #1 overall draft pick money, when he hasn't proven anything yet?? is that your question??

the answer:

because hes the #1 overall pick. thats why. you think hes gunna sign some 1 million dollar deal that COULD become 20 million if he plays well? HELL NO.

you pay the draft pick based on where he was drafted. not wait till he "proves something".

and as for other QBs, Eli played MUCH better the last few games. so i dont think you can say, "the scouts were wrong". you have to expect rookie starting QBs to have a few problems.

 

[Fin-Loco]

I dont understand all these thread about "Pay Ronnie this" and "Dont pay Ronnie that"...we knew we were going to have to pay out the wazoo no matter who we picked at no. 2 OVERALL. These salaries are slotted like that. It's not really a matter of choice. The numbers are there, it's a matter of how we structure it. And thats the big hang up right now. :

I agree! The #2 pick is never a cheap one. But with that kind of talentr at RB's age.....should it be? I don't thinky so sir!

 

[FinFanUFGrad]

Uh..no. Slotted based on this year an also last year. Try again.

You went to UF, so the math probably is not too good. :goof:

But if you would read th articles, they keep referring to 20% increases over LAST years bonuses. Thats the standard.

:shakeno:

Nice one on the UF comment, it's so funny how you people always notice that. Such Green. Anyways, a 20% increase in a bonus does not constitute a bigger salary increase. A team can give more guaranteed money without giving a guy a 53 million dollar contract. And I did read that in an article, but it's not a standard by any means, it's widely accepted by AGENTS and widely opposed by TEAM OFFICES. If you doubt that then look at the contracts for the last decade. Go on...look it up and watch how the top ten just recently startly jumping radically to astronomical figures. The point of me bringing it up is because I couldn't name the number one picks in the last ten years because most of them have not panned out and yet we continue to throw serious amount of cash at them. Isn't that a tad bit wrong?

 

[Dubfire]

I agree! The #2 pick is never a cheap one. But with that kind of talentr at RB's age.....should it be? I don't thinky so sir!

I dont like it either. But when you have the No 2 pick, you have to pay No 2 pick money. We all knew that going in. These agents will look at what was paid last year and negotiate an increase off of that. Once the top pick signs, the slots are set. It's the way the system is. I dont like it, but its the way it is.

 

[Dubfire]

Nice one on the UF comment, it's so funny how you people always notice that. Such Green. Anyways, a 20% increase in a bonus does not constitute a bigger salary increase. A team can give more guaranteed money without giving a guy a 53 million dollar contract. And I did read that in an article, but it's not a standard by any means, it's widely accepted by AGENTS and widely opposed by TEAM OFFICES. If you doubt that then look at the contracts for the last decade. Go on...look it up and watch how the top ten just recently startly jumping radically to astronomical figures. The point of me bringing it up is because I couldn't name the number one picks in the last ten years because most of them have not panned out and yet we continue to throw serious amount of cash at them. Isn't that a tad bit wrong?

You know as a Miami Alumnus, I had to make that UF comment.

Look, I agree with you. The system sucks. But it is what it is. You know how agents are nowadays. Whatever he gets is going to be a ripoff until he actually starts producing. It's a huge risk. But all other teams are expected to play by these rules, why should it be any different for the Dolphins?

And the agents do use that 20% as a negotiating starting point. They usually don't budge btw.

 

[TarHeelFinFan]

This is why the NFL needs the pre-set rookie contracts the NBA has.

 

[ScottishFin]

toally agree with Tar Heel Fin Fan , there needs to be set rookie deals that stick for their duration. The numbers being quoted for #1 - #5 picks are just silly money.

How do you think a 4 year vet player (who has proven his worth to a team) feels when some kid just out of college and untried is getting more cash than him ?

I read that draft picks are at best 50/50 in their success so could we be throwing $22m down the crapper ? Only time will tell (and I pray we arent but you can never be 100% sure on these things)

 

[ASCII]

how about we dont pay him what he wants and he sits out all season....hmmmm.....sound good that way?

 

[bigmiamifan]

This is why the NFL needs the pre-set rookie contracts the NBA has.

The NBA contracts are also guaranteed, NFL contracts aren't. We can sign him $100 million and cut him after the first game and he gets nothing. And why is everyone so enamored with what Ronnie may or may not make? This is a business, we knew going in, as the #2 pick, he'd get paid. That's exactly what is going on. And? What's the bitching all about?