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Again, 3 years under Rex and he has 1 legitimate** winning season and no divisional championships. If you think about it, how different is that from Tony's first 3 seasons except he actually won the division.

**As in no teams charity (the egregiousness of which resulted in immediate scheduling policy changes) involving conceding games to keep their starters healthy for the POs including and forcefully confirmed by the team that outscored the jest 24-0 in the last 31 minutes when it mattered and Curtis Painter wasn't playing.
 
Say Sanchez regresses from here on out and is a backup in a few years. What then? What does the four road wins do for him at that point?

I will deal w/ it when that happens. I can use hypotheticals too- what if he takes a major leap forward and we win a SB w/ hm this year? we don;'t know what will happen but we do know what has happened.

Again, 3 years under Rex and he has 1 legitimate** winning season and no divisional championships. If you think about it, how different is that from Tony's first 3 seasons except he actually won the division.

**As in no teams charity (the egregiousness of which resulted in immediate scheduling policy changes) involving conceding games to keep their starters healthy for the POs including and forcefully confirmed by the team that outscored the jest 24-0 in the last 31 minutes when it mattered and Curtis Painter wasn't playing.

all their seasons are legitimate, a whiny, jealous fan does not change that.

find me a coach, player or anyone connected to a team that would rather win a div title and lose in the wc rd than play for the right to go to the SB.


Miami got more charity in 2008 than the Jets got in 2009, the difference is once in the playoffs Miami was exposed as a fraud, the Jets proved they belonged.
 
I will deal w/ it when that happens. I can use hypotheticals too- what if he takes a major leap forward and we win a SB w/ hm this year? we don;'t know what will happen but we do know what has happened.



all their seasons are legitimate, a whiny, jealous fan does not change that.

find me a coach, player or anyone connected to a team that would rather win a div title and lose in the wc rd than play for the right to go to the SB.


Miami got more charity in 2008 than the Jets got in 2009, the difference is once in the playoffs Miami was exposed as a fraud, the Jets proved they belonged.

Miami lost to a very good Bal team that made the AFCC game that year. A year later that same team spanked NE 33-14 in the WC round. Was NE a fraud that year as well?

I have little doubt in my mind that the 08 Dolphins could have beat Cincy and maybe even SD with the 3 missed FGs. Just becasue 1 team faced a much tougher team than the other, doesn't mean 1 team was a fraud and the other deserved to be there. If the NYJ would have faced Bal in the 1st round, they would have been 1 and done. It is just the way it goes some times.
 
Miami lost to a very good Bal team that made the AFCC game that year. A year later that same team spanked NE 33-14 in the WC round. Was NE a fraud that year as well?

I have little doubt in my mind that the 08 Dolphins could have beat Cincy and maybe even SD with the 3 missed FGs. Just becasue 1 team faced a much tougher team than the other, doesn't mean 1 team was a fraud and the other deserved to be there. If the NYJ would have faced Bal in the 1st round, they would have been 1 and done. It is just the way it goes some times.

NE isn't a fraud b/c they proved it over time, Miami was a surprise playoff team that hasn't been close to postseason since.

at home the '08 dolphins could have beaten Cincy but not on the road. Cincy had a good defense that year.

You would have been crushed by SD

The '09 Jets were every bit as good as the '08 Ravens, it would have been a good game. In '09 and '10 the jets advanced further than the Ravens


I credit Miami '08 for taking care of business, I only bring up the weak sched and really weak close of '08 when I see nonsense taking credit away from the '08 Jets but the '09 Jets were much better built to win in January than the '08 phins.
 
I will deal w/ it when that happens. I can use hypotheticals too- what if he takes a major leap forward and we win a SB w/ hm this year? we don;'t know what will happen but we do know what has happened.

Then he will be considered a great QB.
 
NE isn't a fraud b/c they proved it over time, Miami was a surprise playoff team that hasn't been close to postseason since.

at home the '08 dolphins could have beaten Cincy but not on the road. Cincy had a good defense that year.

You would have been crushed by SD

The '09 Jets were every bit as good as the '08 Ravens, it would have been a good game. In '09 and '10 the jets advanced further than the Ravens


I credit Miami '08 for taking care of business, I only bring up the weak sched and really weak close of '08 when I see nonsense taking credit away from the '08 Jets but the '09 Jets were much better built to win in January than the '08 phins.

Each season is different and things change. 2008 was the first and only year Pennington started 16 games for the Dolphins (He only started 3 games in 09, and 1 play in 2010) The Dolphins were still 7-7 at one point each season without him. I can't help but think that Pennington could have beaten the bad teams Henne couldn't to end the 2009 and 2010 seasons and the Dolphins would have beaten out the Jets for the playoffs in 2009.

Regardless, the Dolphins missing the playoffs the next couple of years doesn't prove they were a fraud anymore than the Jets 2011 season proves their 2010 season was a fraud. Using that logic, you could say NE's perfect season in 07 was a fraud becasue they missed the playoffs in 2008, got pummeled by Bal in 09, and got beat by a lesser Jets team in 2010?

The Dolphins did have an easy schedule to finish the 2008 season, but I think facing bad teams is different than facing teams that rest their starters. Those teams have no desire to win and were not going to game plan since they were heading into the playoffs. That is very different than bad teams who are trying to win.
 
That 3rd place medal looks a lot better than getting nothing b/c you weren't good enough to participate.

The time frame is the 3 years under Rex.

They had a brutal end to 2011, does that mean it carries over to '12? of course not, remember this wasa disastrous season and we were still 8-8. It won't be that bad again this year, trust me.



The thought of Miami actually having a young QB winning games makes me sick too.



if he's healthy he'll start 16 and postseason games.

The Bills FO has such a great track record of success that I trust everything they do. overpaying for a good, not great, pass rusher means playoffs in '12!

You do realize the Jets re-signed their most important FA, right? they re-signed pouha, re-signed Thomas, signed a new starting safety to a low risk deal, got WR depth, QB depth, added a playmaker in the wildcat,... The offseaon isn't 3 weeks long and we have far fewer holes to patch up than the last place Bills.

When Edwards wins any big game you let me know. The 2 are nothing alike, he's more like Fitz- at least the '08 version of Edwards that got your hopes up talking playoffs after 6 weeks then fell flat on his face when the pressure to win started to rise.


If you had our OL you would have won 3-4 games instead of the tremndous total of 6. Mangold was HURT most of the year, he missed multiple games and was never himself, brick is very good in most years but last year he really struggled, Slauson was hurt all of last year and just had surgery where we are not sure if he will be ready for camp, hunter was atrocious, Moore was hurt all offseason and didn't have a training camp.


You guys always get ahead of yourselves, 2008, 2011 and now 2012.

what makes you so confident in saying that, i know the draft is still ahead but what have they done since the season ended to make themselves better in your opinion?

Laron Landry one year deal is good but he is only getting one year for a reason and that is because he is a liability in coverage, who is the other safety

resigned Wayne Hunter, thats a loss by addittion

Plax is all but gone, Holmes coming off a bad year let alone the on and off field drama, Chaz Shillens? Relying on a 2nd year Kerley?

still no pass rushers, everyones a year older, bart scott barely wants to be there and the only reason he is still there is because of $

oh and i forgot bringing in the most controversial top 5 worst completion percentage QB who is going to take snaps away from your "franchise QB" and be a cobnstant distraction

so how exactly are you so sure they will be better?
 
Each season is different and things change. 2008 was the first and only year Pennington started 16 games for the Dolphins (He only started 3 games in 09, and 1 play in 2010) The Dolphins were still 7-7 at one point each season without him. I can't help but think that Pennington could have beaten the bad teams Henne couldn't to end the 2009 and 2010 seasons and the Dolphins would have beaten out the Jets for the playoffs in 2009.

Regardless, the Dolphins missing the playoffs the next couple of years doesn't prove they were a fraud anymore than the Jets 2011 season proves their 2010 season was a fraud. Using that logic, you could say NE's perfect season in 07 was a fraud becasue they missed the playoffs in 2008, got pummeled by Bal in 09, and got beat by a lesser Jets team in 2010?

The Dolphins did have an easy schedule to finish the 2008 season, but I think facing bad teams is different than facing teams that rest their starters. Those teams have no desire to win and were not going to game plan since they were heading into the playoffs. That is very different than bad teams who are trying to win.

You did start out 0-3 w/ Chad P. He's obviously the much better QB btw he and Henne but would Chad P have been able to outduel us in Miami like henne did? We would have been better either way.

The Jets in 2011 were still 8-8 and in the thick of the playoff race after TWO title game runs, the '09-'11 dolphins were never even in a playoff race after getting crushed at home in the WC rd in 2008.

The '08 dolphins had a much easier time late in the year than the Jets did getting a qtr and a half of Colts backups. Miami faced 5-6 completely dead teams, the Jets got a qtr and a half of Indy backups(trailed by 5 w/ starters in) and a half against Cincy(led by TWENTY SEVEN when starters were in).

what makes you so confident in saying that, i know the draft is still ahead but what have they done since the season ended to make themselves better in your opinion?

Laron Landry one year deal is good but he is only getting one year for a reason and that is because he is a liability in coverage, who is the other safety

resigned Wayne Hunter, thats a loss by addittion

Plax is all but gone, Holmes coming off a bad year let alone the on and off field drama, Chaz Shillens? Relying on a 2nd year Kerley?

still no pass rushers, everyones a year older, bart scott barely wants to be there and the only reason he is still there is because of $

oh and i forgot bringing in the most controversial top 5 worst completion percentage QB who is going to take snaps away from your "franchise QB" and be a cobnstant distraction

so how exactly are you so sure they will be better?

What makes me confident is I believe we have a very good HC and we have plenty of talent to win. I'll take 2 years of good play vs. 1 year of mediocre play, to me that year is an aberration until they do it again.

There are a million moves to be made but why I feel the Jets will be better is I think the OL will be better which will make the QB better. On D Rex will be calling games again, I think that is huge and I expect this team will have the hunger to overcome the embarrassment of last year. There's too much talent to be an 8-8 type of team.

as far as roster moves:

re-signed Pouha- great move
re-signed Bryan Thomas- good move, he was a pretty big loss last year
signed Landry- if healthy he'll be good
signed Schilens- if healthy he'll contribute

Holmes is coming off a bad year, I expect he'll be much better. Plax was great in the RZ but struggled everywhere else. Kerley will be in year 2.

The OL should be healthier at least going into the season

who cares about tebow's comp %? he is not coming in as a QB, he's going to be a gimmick player and he's a playmaker that gives us another dimension.

The QB is in year 4, he was good in year 2, took a step back last year. I expect a big step forward.

as far as pass rushers, we didn't have any in '09 or '10 either.
 
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