Satele, Nwduke, Alleman????

[DolfanISS]

This was the middle of our offensive line the last time we made the playoffs and Chad Pennington was able to do enough to win many games. Granted we had Long and Carey as tackles but I'm wondering how good these guys were and are we that much worse off now? After all I never really heard of Alleman or Nwduke playing elsewhere after the 2008 season. If we overcame it then maybe we can do it again?


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[J. David Wannyheimer]

Jeff Ireland is as good at assembling OL talent as he is at finding linebackers.

 

[datruth55]

Well considering they only gave up 26 sacks, we ran the ball at 4.2 ypc and all of that was helped by the birth of the wildcat and the use of a lot of unbalanced line formations (6 OL) I would say that was a pretty good O-line.

 

[DolfanISS]

It also started with Satele, Smiley, and Thomas for week. Justin Smiley was a good player and vital to the success if the Wildcat.


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[Dr. Phin]

Our line has gotten worse. It is pathetic to think back and see that Ndukwe is actually better than what we have now...Carey was much better. Long before the injuries...

The OL has steadily gotten worse, not better, under Ireland....

 

[PhinSoldia]

Our line has gotten worse. It is pathetic to think back and see that Ndukwe is actually better than what we have now...Carey was much better. Long before the injuries...

The OL has steadily gotten worse, not better, under Ireland....

Have you seen the draft? I mean we had THE SAME argument last year when we were incredibly weak at WR.....
this year we let Martin sink himself and this offseason and mainly this draft we are looking at the 6 First round Quality Offensive Tackles...yes thats SIX

 

[Sirspud]

I think people forget that we actually needed the wildcat that year because we simply were not good enough to line up and run the ball in standard formations consistently. Both Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams were averaging about 2 ypc before the wildcat came out.

 

[PhinMagic]

Well considering they only gave up 26 sacks, we ran the ball at 4.2 ypc and all of that was helped by the birth of the wildcat and the use of a lot of unbalanced line formations (6 OL) I would say that was a pretty good O-line.

We're running for 4.1 ypc this year and if you take away the Cleveland Baltimore and Tampa disasters were like 3rd in the league with 5.1 ypc

 

[miamiron]

I think people forget that we actually needed the wildcat that year because we simply were not good enough to line up and run the ball in standard formations consistently. Both Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams were averaging about 2 ypc before the wildcat came out.

I think a 2 game study before the wild cat game just isn't a good enough study
and when you take into consideration how far behind in both games
never having a lead in both games can skewer the run pass stats.

I believe in the Arizona game we were so far behind 17-0 at half time and 31-3 in the 3rd quarter
we gave up on the run

Same goes for the Jet game where we were behind the whole game as Pennington threw the ball
43 times versus 17 rushes

Ricky ran for 3.6 yards per carry for the rest of the season after the Pats wild card game
so the wild cat didn't affect his poor season.
Ricky ran for 3.2 yards per rush in our loses

Ronnie did a bit better running for 4.19 yards per carry after the wild cat game
and ran for 3 yards a carry in all our loses that season

 

[Hayden Fox]

I love Chad

 

[Sirspud]

I think a 2 game study before the wild cat game just isn't a good enough study
and when you take into consideration how far behind in both games
never having a lead in both games can skewer the run pass stats.

I believe in the Arizona game we were so far behind 17-0 at half time and 31-3 in the 3rd quarter
we gave up on the run

Same goes for the Jet game where we were behind the whole game as Pennington threw the ball
43 times versus 17 rushes

Ricky ran for 3.6 yards per carry for the rest of the season after the Pats wild card game
so the wild cat didn't affect his poor season.
Ricky ran for 3.2 yards per rush in our loses

Ronnie did a bit better running for 4.19 yards per carry after the wild cat game
and ran for 3 yards a carry in all our loses that season

Those stats don't refute my point. Even with the wildcat we weren't statistically a fantastic running team, it just allowed us to find a way to line up for a couple yard gains, which is something that teams with good lines and running backs who have good vision (aka not Ronnie Brown) can do without having to resort to special formations.

 

[Shouright]

Well considering they only gave up 26 sacks, we ran the ball at 4.2 ypc and all of that was helped by the birth of the wildcat and the use of a lot of unbalanced line formations (6 OL) I would say that was a pretty good O-line.

Or Pennington took only 26 sacks.

 

[Sirspud]

Or Pennington took only 26 sacks.

It's not a coincidence that the only two QB's to have winning records as Dolphins QB's were two guys who knew how to handle a pass rush (Frerotte, Pennington). But even still, there were games that Pennington's line was overwhelmed to the point of giving him even no chance to be successful. A good example would be the opener versus Atlanta in 2009 where Jake Long was literally knocked on his butt. Tannehill has had these types of performances from his line multiple times this year.

 

[DolfanISS]

It's not a coincidence that the only two QB's to have winning records as Dolphins QB's were two guys who knew how to handle a pass rush (Frerotte, Pennington). But even still, there were games that Pennington's line was overwhelmed to the point of giving him even no chance to be successful. A good example would be the opener versus Atlanta in 2009 where Jake Long was literally knocked on his butt. Tannehill has had these types of performances from his line multiple times this year.

And the Ravens playoff game was another. Ngata was killing these guys.

 

[Shouright]

It's not a coincidence that the only two QB's to have winning records as Dolphins QB's were two guys who knew how to handle a pass rush (Frerotte, Pennington). But even still, there were games that Pennington's line was overwhelmed to the point of giving him even no chance to be successful. A good example would be the opener versus Atlanta in 2009 where Jake Long was literally knocked on his butt. Tannehill has had these types of performances from his line multiple times this year.

And Tannehill is on pace for 66 sacks, a long way from 26.