Schein: Ross is clueless and Miami has the worst quarterback corps in the league

[ckparrothead]

Again, I didn't say that the Dolphins had the worst QB situation, in fact I said that I wouldn't make that argument at all. All I said was that I can see how somebody could possibly make that argument being that our QB corps is obviously not very good. You're putting words in my mouth and I don't even know what your point is.

Well, I could see how someone could make the argument that poop tastes good. They'd be insane, with a mouth full of ****, but it's theoretically possible.

More importantly, I'm not holding a candle for Chad Henne, I'm stating facts. If our coaching staff over the last 3 years knew how to treat a young QB, Henne's career would look a hell of a lot different. You know what's a great idea? Take a talented young quarterback who is starting to get into a rythym out of the game and replace him with some bull**** single wing formation, then ask him to bail us out on 3rd and 14 after the aforementioned wildcat totally sucks. Great idea guys.
Henne was mishandled and his career was ruined by a bunch of schmucks who had no clue how to run an offense. Good news about Tony Sparano now is that he's with the Jets, so I'm not expecting them to score any points this year either.

Henne's career was mishandled. But is that why he sucks right now? He can't read a defense because he got subbed for Pat White like 6 times or whatever, back in 2009? No. That's a convenient argument for those that want to be right even when they've been proven wrong. Chad Henne can't read a defense right now because he's not very good at it, and never has been.

 

[ckparrothead]

The point is they had a shot at the playoffs with 2 games to go. Just because they didn't make it doesn't take away the fact that they had the opportunity. Regardless, it is a bad argument. It like trying to prove that Sanchez is better than Peyton because Sanchez won 4 playoff games in his first 2 seasons while Manning didn't win any.

Then why are you posting it?

It's not a valid argument. Chad Henne had the Dolphins at a 7-7 record at one point, and lost the next two games to go 7-9. Hurray for him. That's not playoff contention. There was no set of circumstances that reasonably could have fallen a different way to where our 7-9 record suddenly gets us in the playoffs. Playoff contention is 9-7 or 10-6, where some other 9-7 or 10-6 team(s) got in the playoffs over you because of tiebreaks or the way the divisions are structured, etc.

At one point in 2011 Chad Henne had us at 0-3 and in playoff contention (i.e. not mathematically eliminated). There. See how I did that?

 

[Valandui]

How the Hell did I miss this thread? Damn sleeping during the day.

 

[finfan54]

some people just dont care about facts. maybe schein should put in the tape of the jets game in dec.

i mean, fitzpatrick is the definition of pay day bust and the jets took sanchez as a top ten pick and look at him. he is terrible. i mean, downright terrible and yet he still walks around like he is somebody.

and another thing...the dolphins were asked by the show if they would do the show, why dont you blame the show? because then there would be no story. So you see, media make stuff up to make a story.

I really could care less what adam asshine or Mr. Florio of that crap ass dolphin bashing piece of garbage they call journalism says.

 

[jlfin]

they have Flynn who Miami wanted, they have jackson who has helped a team get to postseason and they have a developmental prospect in Wilson. Maybe they are even.

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I would absolutely work on a dolphins show, you'd be surprised a team I deal with at work now. I don't work for that team but they are a big part of what I do and I despise them.

Untrue. The Dolphins were lukewarm on Flynn so lets dispense with that misperception. If they were sold on Flynn, they would have signed Flynn. Fact is, they didn't believe he was an upgrade over Moore (and I agree).
Your post has no credibility when you bring up Jackson (career backup talent). Matt Moore and David Garrard are both better and Garrard, I believe made the pro bowl a few yrs back after he won the job over Byron Leftwich.
So, the Phins QB corps is SIGNIFICANTLY better than the Seahawks as well as most of the teams you mentioned in your earlier post. I wouldn't trade our QB corps for the Jets', that's for darn sure

 

[DuderinoN703]

Henne is better than Moore. People Like to talk about how Moore went 6-3 in his last 9 games as if the first few games he played in don't count. It's absolute bull****. His play against good defenses in games that actually mattered has always been garbage.

Well, technically, he did go 6-3 over the last 9 games. That is what would be considered the truth.

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Matt Moore did not play much better than Chad Henne, that's completely false. If Brandon Marshall catches the ****ing ball we definitely beat the Browns and we probably beat Houston too. I would not be surprised at all if Henne goes to Jacksonville and has a decent career throwing to Mercedes Lewis and Laurent Robinson while handing off to MJD.
Henne never had a half decent supporting cast or coaching staff here. Sporano and the combination of Pasqualoni and Brian Daboll were horrible, and outside of Brandon Marshall (who wasn't always great to Henne) the receiving corps and running game was pitful.
Matt Moore is a joke, and I will once again be vindicated in my opinion if you watch football this year.

If Marshall caught several TDs he dropped last year Moore would look better than he did. Are you denying this?

 

[insomnia411]

Well, I could see how someone could make the argument that poop tastes good. They'd be insane, with a mouth full of ****, but it's theoretically possible.



Henne's career was mishandled. But is that why he sucks right now? He can't read a defense because he got subbed for Pat White like 6 times or whatever, back in 2009? No. That's a convenient argument for those that want to be right even when they've been proven wrong. Chad Henne can't read a defense right now because he's not very good at it, and never has been.

I'm not even saying that Chad Henne is "good", I'm just saying that he's better than Matt Moore. To say that a QB is better than Moore is not to say that he is "good". Matt Moore just happens to be pretty awful.

 

[SkapePhin]

Your list has a few that shouldn't be there. Homerism at its finest.

The teams I listed are either worse or equal when it comes to overall QB depth.

Of this list, these are clearly WORSE situation than the Dolphins:

Jaguars (statistically worst QB in the league last year and Robo-Henne)
Cardinals (AJ Feeley 2.0 and and undrafted guy less proven than Matt Moore)
Browns (30 yr old rookie and concussion dude) [Note, I think the Ginger Sensation will be successful, but still, as it stands today, not a good situation)
Chiefs (Yuck)
Vikings (Ponder and what else?)

These teams are about on par or slightly above the Dolphins:
Jets (They have a fullback as their backup QB and the Great Mexican Hype as starter)
Titans
49ers
Seahawks
Rams

I am talking about OVERALL depth. Matt Moore, David Garrard (2 veterans who have proven they can win games in the NFL) and a rookie drafted in the Top 10 is a pretty decent situation.

 

[DuderinoN703]

He was, how you know tannehill won't be this year? this happens w/ young QBs more often than not.

Henne is better than Moore, Henne has at least helped his team get in playoff contention, Moore has never done that. The excuse for Moore I keep readin is that "he didn't have 1st team reps in practice"- neither did Henne in '09 and he helped you back in the race. he ultimately failed but he had you in contention. last year you guys credit Moore but he came in at 0-3(/w the game tied 0-0) and help Miami get to 0-7 before he "played well". How do you know the team doesn't improve if henne stays helathy? maybe it wouldn't have takent until 0-7 to win? we'll never know.

You guys are too caught up in meaningless QB ratings for a guy who was awful when Miami needed him most and played well when the team was out of it. Matt Moore is a quality backup, tannehill may or may not become a quality starter but he has to prove it. Much like many teams the dolphins have a young prospect and I put them all in the same boat. Other teams have some better established QBs, again if I thought Garrard was healthy I'd have Miami higher but I think he's done.

I've always said Moore is an average QB. I like him but he isn't a franchise guy. Looking at the 2011 season, the Dolphins lost to the following teams to get to 0-7:

San Diego - His first game action with the Dolphins. He didn't do enough and had an average game at best.
NY Jets - Below average game
Denver - If defense stopped Tebow once in the 4th qtr, the game would've been won
NY Giants - If defense holds again, they'd win another one

They then win 3 straight vs Kansas City, Washington, and Buffalo where Moore throws 6 TDs and 1 INT. He starts to look more comfortable.

Thanksgiving game at Dallas - If defense holds, they win the game. Romo drives team down field for GW-FG. Defense fails again.

Wins against Oakland

Loses against Philadelphia - Eagles were on their way to finishing on a positive note for the season. You remember the 45-19 win over the Jets I'm sure.

Wins at Buffalo

Loses in New England by 3 - I knew NE was going to come back and win that game b/c that's the sort of **** those bastards are all about. Moore threw a bad INT in the 3rd qtr that gave them a short field. Otherwise he had 3 TD passes and a 99.8 rating

End the season with a win vs the Jets

So IMO he was average or worse in 3 games the team lost. The defense blew 3 other games for the Dolphins as well. If the defense had any true balls, the Phins would have finished at least 9-7. I know it goes both ways but it's a fact the defense gave up leads late in 3 of the games I detailed.

That all being said, Moore is still an average QB who will throw together some good games that are rounded out with average ones. Is he better than Henne in Miami? There isn't enough of a sample size yet to have an answer for that (at least on my end).

 

[Vaark]

It's funny how the Henne fluffers never let go once dug in. I equate this phenomenon to a guy who lost a GF to someone else but refuses to acknowledge the reason being the new guy has a bigger dique or knows how to use it better. :idk:

Reality Check: I am neither discrediting Henne for starting the SD game since he didn't play that long;

However over the first 3 seasonal games and the last 6 games of last season he went a whopping 2-7, with a 69QBR and 10TDs to 11 Ints. It's true he did beat a pretty good 2010 jest team, but did he really considering his QBR was 58.3 and he threw all of 1 TD (zero ints).

Now bracket that against Moore who granted took a while to get his sealegs under him but finished the season winning 6 out 9 games and during that stretch threw 15 TDs and 5 Ints while averaging 98.9QBR over that stretch. Of course that doesn't start to factor in the respect he earned from his teammates, the way he encouraged them and kept them juiced vs the contempt and disrespect many had for Henne. It was the difference between the "It" vs. "$hit" Factor. And sure Marshall dropped some RZ Henne passes, but last I looked he also cost Moore 3 or more TDs with his butterfingers. Henne had the benefit of being mentored by Pennington and getting to sit behind him; I don't believe Moore ever had the benefit of a quality QB to learn from. As CK pointed out, while statistics don't mean all that much in a vacuum, Moore was the 4th leading accurate long ball passer in the league while Henne always seemed like a catastrophe was lurking around the corner.

It's okay to continue to slurp Henne, but please realize that just because Moore made him look inferior by comparison to the fans and his teammates is no reason to hate on a guy who came into a demoralized situation with the fans actively rooting to suck for Luck and with his back to the wall overcame. Whether you believe he's the future or not, at the least if you['re a true fan, he deserves your gratitude!!!!

 

[The New Guy]

Then why are you posting it?

It's not a valid argument. Chad Henne had the Dolphins at a 7-7 record at one point, and lost the next two games to go 7-9. Hurray for him. That's not playoff contention. There was no set of circumstances that reasonably could have fallen a different way to where our 7-9 record suddenly gets us in the playoffs. Playoff contention is 9-7 or 10-6, where some other 9-7 or 10-6 team(s) got in the playoffs over you because of tiebreaks or the way the divisions are structured, etc.

At one point in 2011 Chad Henne had us at 0-3 and in playoff contention (i.e. not mathematically eliminated). There. See how I did that?

I wasn't the one who was trying to make that argument. I am just disagreeing that the Dolphins were not in playoff contention. Playoff contention is not a specific record, it is simply a chance to make the playoffs. In 2009 the Dolphins had a chance at the playoffs with 2 games to go. They even had a slim chance going into the last game of the season. That is being in playoff contention. Just because they lost doesn't take away the fact that they had a chance. That is very different than saying a team is in playoff contention at 0-3.

The Titans, Raiders and Jets all missed the playoffs last season, but they were all in playoff contention. Teams like the Colts and Browns never were. Do you see the difference?

 

[McPhin]

Whiny, Jet fan, New Yawka. Never played a sport in his life.

 

[MiamiDolfan85]

Arizona Cardinals.....THE END!

 

[Dr. Phin]

The teams I listed are either worse or equal when it comes to overall QB depth.

Of this list, these are clearly WORSE situation than the Dolphins:

Jaguars (statistically worst QB in the league last year and Robo-Henne)
Cardinals (AJ Feeley 2.0 and and undrafted guy less proven than Matt Moore)
Browns (30 yr old rookie and concussion dude) [Note, I think the Ginger Sensation will be successful, but still, as it stands today, not a good situation)
Chiefs (Yuck)
Vikings (Ponder and what else?)

These teams are about on par or slightly above the Dolphins:
Jets (They have a fullback as their backup QB and the Great Mexican Hype as starter)
Titans
49ers
Seahawks
Rams

I am talking about OVERALL depth. Matt Moore, David Garrard (2 veterans who have proven they can win games in the NFL) and a rookie drafted in the Top 10 is a pretty decent situation.

So, even by your own list we are from 6th to 11th worst in the NFL...isn't that like arguing about being "sort of pregnant?"

 

[SkapePhin]

So, even by your own list we are from 6th to 11th worst in the NFL...isn't that like arguing about being "sort of pregnant?"

The premise of this thread was that this Schein guy called the Dolphins THE WORST QB SITUATION in the NFL. That is obviously not true as it stands right now. We won't know until the season plays out. The QB situation could turn out being much better or worse, we just don't know yet.