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Scout INC's Grades of our FA

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I have been reading all the posts regarding our free agency status and noticed we have signed a number of players that seem to be just back ups. I am curious why there seems to be such an overwhelming enthusiasm on each of these signings. I can’t say I am familiar with many of the names we signed which led me to wonder who these guys were. As a member of ESPN insider I came across this link:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/fa?sort=grade

The link is Scout Inc’s Grade of each player we have signed. They have a grade for every free agent. Pace is rated a 73

Justin Smiley G 74

Ernest Wilford WR 67

Randy Starks
DT

61​

Reggie Torbor
LB

58​

Josh McCown
QB

58​

Mike Lehan
CB

57​

Charlie Anderson
LB

56​

Sean Ryan
TE

45​



Overall these seem to be pretty low grades for just about every player. I hope they do turn into very productive players but I am not blown away by the signings. Not that Scout Inc is right on with its ranking but it does give a perspective of the type of players we seem to be signing. We seem to be burning our cap number up on backups. This may help set a base for a deep team but you need capable starters to win games.


Grading Scale

90-100: Elite Player
Player demonstrates rare abilities and can create mismatches that have an obvious impact on the game. ... Premier NFL player who has all the skills to consistently play at a championship level. ... Rates as one of the top players at his position in the league.
80-89: Outstanding Player
Player has abilities to create mismatches versus most opponents in the NFL. ... A feature player who has an impact on the outcome of the game. ... Cannot be shut down by a single player and plays on a consistent level week in and week out.
70-79: Good Starter
Solid starter who is close to being an outstanding player. ... Has few weaknesses and usually will win his individual matchup but does not dominate in every game, especially when matched up against the top players in the league.
60-69: Average Starter
A valuable roster player but not a dominant player against the better players he faces on a weekly basis. ... Gives great effort and teams are glad to have him, but he may or may not go to the next level.
50-59: Good Backup
This is a player who is really on the bubble and only starts because of a deficiency at the position. ... He lacks complete overall skills, and although he will battle, he will hinder his team's ability to play at a championship level if he is forced to be in the starting lineup consistently over a 16-game season. Teams don't mind having him on the roster but are always looking to upgrade.
40-49: Below Average Backup/Core Special Teamers
Strictly a backup player who is not capable of starting. If forced to, he is only a short-term fix. ... He might make the roster because of special-teams contributions or experience. ... He is the type of player teams consistently look to replace with an upgrade. ... He always will be a borderline roster player.
30: Developmental Player
Players with this grade have very little film to evaluate. Such players might flash potential in the preseason but don't have any regular-season performances to judge. they usually have very little experience but have to be tracked due to developmental potential.
20: Rookie (Post Draft)
No professional tape to evaluate. These players will have an evaluation based on their college tape, but we will not put a new grade on them until after their rookie seasons. They will carry the 20 grade throughout their first NFL season.
10: Evaluation in Process
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I wouldn't buy to much into those lame grades especially coming from ESPN. They said we signed Ian Gold : /
 
Well. I'd assume most of the moves are for average guys. Those scores seem to be lower than I'd think. Will we build through the draft, but we also need a ton of players. You get affordable guys that fit the mold and get rookies for those key star positions.
 
Some how I posted this twice when I was trying to clean up the rankings - please delete this one hard to read.
 
The bottom line is most of these guys are pretty young. We need to add depth to our team as a result of not having a single draft pick from 1998-2003, still on the team. Many of these FAs won't be around when we make our final cuts, but it adds competition which is a big plus.
 
remember these are younger guys that jsut started getting starts this past season basically. plus they are very good special teams players. good reasons that they may not have great rankings too.
 
Torbor and Anderson only started late last year, McCown is what he is, a spot starter.

And we do need Core Special Teams players, after last year's fiasco on ST, picking up a player like Anderson makes alot of sense for us, he plays ST well, and he can start at MLB.

And Smiley is coming off of a injury, which makes it a bit surprising that Parcells would take a chance on him.
 
Also don't forget that these players have been chosen because of certain abilities they possess and how those abilities match what we need as far as our new systems are concerned. The scouts inc grades are general in nature but the qualities these players possess make them more valueable than those grades not to mention we were a laughable 1-15 and need an injection of all types of base talent. The headline, signature moves are on the way but this is a very good start not the be all, end all.
 
One reason to sign average players is that we don't have any average players on the team. We have a handfull of good players, a few with potential and bunch of poor talent. As mentioned, some of these guys will provide depth, some will be vital on special teams, and some that were not in a similar scheme will hopefully up their game in our 3-4. Starks was a 4-3, Tobor (sp?) was a 4-3 guy etc... I think that is important to get a good core of solid players that have not peaked, and sometimes peaking is scheme vs. talent. Seems these signings all wanted to be here and are lunch pale toting guys...and they are an upgrade over what we had. Smiley is a real good guard and Wilford is interesting to me. Karl Dorrel did a great job developing Rod Smith (big and not fast), coupled with Henning and what he does with WRs, Im curious to see where his game goes. I like Beck a lot and think that Henning has a great history with QB development, so Im looking at Mcnown as a back up and hoping his game can elevate. If Hagan can learn to catch I won't have to change my sig..lol
 
Charlie Anderson--56
Mike Lehan--------57
Sean Ryan---------45
Justin Smiley------74
Randy Starks------61
Reggie Torbor-----58
Ernest Wilford-----67

This suggests to me that anyone under the 60 # was brought in here to contribute on special teams, which was horrid last year.

When you consider who has a rating under 60, it makes sense.

That means really only Smiley and Wilford were brought in here with an idea for them as starters.

And though Randy Starks is very close to meeting the special teamer criteria I set forth in this evaluation, I imagine Bill Parcells sees something in him that neither Jeff Fisher nor Scouts Inc. does.
 
exactly this is not madden for the playstation 3 it is real football, a player doesnt have a "rating" system

the guy signed are all young with loads of potential they fit into the system the dolphins want to run
 
All I have to say is this.....Thank God we got Micheal Lehan back!!! Ugh.
 
As long as we're talking arbitrary numbers, why not look at the industry leader in arbitrary numbers, cuz those are usually rock solid ( :rolleyes2: ):

Madden '08 Player Rankings
Justin Smiley 86
Ernest Wilford 77
Randy Starks 79
Reggie Torbor 71
Josh McCown 78
Michael Lehan 68
Sean Ryan 70
 
I would agree with those grades:

Justin Smiley is our biggest signing to date. He is not a Pro Bowler but should be very solid. Ernest Wilford is not a superstar, but he's a bona fide starter in this league. Randy Starks has a lot of upside. If he pans out, he could be the guy we all look back on and say what a deal it was to nab him.

Reggie Torbor is a great backup and potential starter. Josh McCown is nothing more than a backup QB. Charlie Anderson is a special teams standout, and a solid backup.

Mike Lehan is a solid nickel CB.

Sean Ryan is a blocking TE. He should have a major impact on the running game and pass protection.

Calvin Pace would be our biggest signing but it's starting to look like that's not gonna happen.

Keep in mind... Torbor, Anderson, and Ryan will all "start" on special teams. There's value in that.

Also, you have to look at it in terms of upgrading our team:

Is Justin Smiley an upgrade over Rex Hadnot? Remains to be seen. But it's very possible.

Is Ernest Wilford an upgrade over Marty Booker? Could be. He's definitely younger. And probably faster.

Is Randy Starks and upgrade over Keith Traylor or Rod Wright? It's a moot point in regards to Traylor because of his age. Starks vs Wright will be an interesting battle in training camp. I suspect they both will rotate in.

Is Reggie Torbor an upgrade over Crowder? Hard to say. They're both young players on the rise. Torbor did just start in the Super Bowl, though. So that's something.

Is Josh McCown an upgrade over Cleo Lemon? That's a tough one. I'm not a fan of McClown. But hopefully he'll never see the field.

Is Charlie Anderson an upgrade over Donnie Spragan? I have no idea. But I find it hard to believe that he isn't. A bag of chips would be an upgrade over Spragan.

Sean Ryan is definitely an upgrade over Martin and Peele as far as blocking goes.

Only three guys got starter money: Smiley, Starks, and Wilford. Pencil them in. The rest will all contribute.

It looks like our "superstars" are gonna come from the draft.

Baby steps...
 
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