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Seriously changed my mind - it's got to be Herbert.

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Three videos worth watching. Definitely changed my mind on Tua. He's just too over-rated, playing on a team with tons of talent around him... padding his stats.

Herbert having the wisdom (and stones) to risk everything to go back for his Senior year to get better shows me the character and leadership we should be looking for.






And - by the way - this guy... this freak'n guy (STRONG OPINION SPORTS)... this guy should be our Director of Personnel. Seriously.

 
Now post his stats against any kind of pressure.

Edit: Here's one I found, but it's not as current. Anyone else able to find the one they showed on ESPN during Herbert's first game this season? It was bad. Real bad.

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Hey... you want to win championships... you HAVE to build a line that can protect your quarterback. End of story. Just remember that Aikman was sacked more than any other quarterback in the league his first two years with the Cowboys. But once he had a solid line (and Emmitt)... lookout... three Super Bowls in 4 years.

What I'm seeing is that even in the loss to Auburn - who made no bones about the fact they were going after him. He performed well enough for them to win save for the heroics of Bo Nix.


By the way... here are Herbert's stats for the year so far:

 
Hey... you want to win championships... you HAVE to build a line that can protect your quarterback. End of story. Just remember that Aikman was sacked more than any other quarterback in the league his first two years with the Cowboys. But once he had a solid line (and Emmitt)... lookout... three Super Bowls in 4 years.

What I'm seeing is that even in the loss to Auburn - who made no bones about the fact they were going after him. He performed well enough for them to win save for the heroics of Bo Nix.


By the way... here are Herbert's stats for the year so far:

There's a big difference between protecting your QB, and him being garbage every snap where there could be pressure. There isn't a QB alive who has won a Super Bowl, but was bad against pressure.
 
There's a big difference between protecting your QB, and him being garbage every snap where there could be pressure. There isn't a QB alive who has won a Super Bowl, but was bad against pressure.

There are QBs who were back ups or back up level players who won Super Bowls, lol. See Trent Dilfer with the 2000 Ravens as an example.
 
There are QBs who were back ups or back up level players who won Super Bowls, lol. See Trent Dilfer with the 2000 Ravens as an example.
What does this have to do with anything at all? Does them being backups automatically mean they were bad under pressure?
 
Valid points, but there's more to each story. For one, I love that your second analysis guy does a good job of pointing out improvement areas for Tua. As I've said a bunch of times, the Patriots offense that we're running is the most QB-centric in the NFL. It places more emphasis on the QB making those reads than any other offense. I've underlined how the #1 guy in all of those areas--pre-snap read, post-snap read, quick information processing, quick reaction from the millisecond he sees it to when the ball is released, diagnosing coverages, gauging separation windows, and even audibilizing--is Jake Fromm. Those are Fromm's areas of dominance in this QB discussion. What Fromm lacks is the physical attributes like size, mobility, athleticism and top-end arm strength.

Herbert's areas of dominance are all physical, arm strength/velocity, size, speed, athleticism, etc. And, Herbert has some exceptional tape. He throws the best seam routes in the game. But his weaknesses are consistency, and dealing with pressure. Ironically, while Herbert is the best physically capable of dealing with pressure, he is also the guy who least has to deal with it. Watch any of the Oregon games … he's rarely pressured. He routinely has a huge clean pocket that doesn't even remotely resemble an NFL pocket. The Oregon pocket looks like someone mowing the lawn on an acre-sized empty lot. Those throws are rare in the NFL, and our Dolphins OL are going to make them an endangered species. Herbert needs more experience throwing from a shrinking/collapsing/leaking/broken pocket. It's one thing to take that for 5 plays a game, but it's a different type of mentality to face that for 30 of your 39 throws like our Dolphins QB's have been facing this year … and almost every year since Tannehill arrived. Herbert isn't going to get that clean pocket where he only concentrates on his receivers and the secondary. He's going to need to prove he can be consistent with his footwork while also evading constant pressure.
 
I think Herbert went from very overrated to very underrated. He is far from a polished prospect and it is very fair to not like him.

I however have seen a lot of growth in him this year. I think Tua is clearly the number 1 QB. But I also think Herbert right now is the clear number 2
 
Boom or Bust kinda pick. The rest of the year hopefully will tell us more.
 
I am of the opinion that we draft a QB with one of our top 5 picks (assuming Rosen continues his projected growth). If someone offers a "Tunsil" type deal for our top pick we take it and pickup a Fromm or Herbert or Love.
 
I, too, like Fromm. He's a game manager, for sure. But that's not a bad thing. Never understood why people act like it is. Hell, Brady started his career as a game manager... and still kind of is. Plus, Fromm is a good kid. Never talks trash like a certain idiot in Cleveland right now who talked crap about Dan Jones of the Giants and now who's laughing?

I'd LOVE to trade down for someone wanting to sell the farm for Tua or Herbert and then pick up Fromm PLUS even more PICKS!!!

Hey, Miami Dolphins, you listening???
 
I’ve seen that guys analysis before. Can’t remember who it was about though
 
I am of the opinion that we draft a QB with one of our top 5 picks (assuming Rosen continues his projected growth). If someone offers a "Tunsil" type deal for our top pick we take it and pickup a Fromm or Herbert or Love.

Should try and draft 2 of those 3
 
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