Sharpe: "Dolphins' Problems on Offense Can be Laid at Tannehill's Feet"

[Shouright]

There's no question that tannehill plays a role in some of this...I'm not stupid...he's not a great pocket manager qb yet...but the root problem lies in the protection...specifically the OT position...

What if the part of this for which Tannehill is responsible is exactly what we're perceiving to be the problem?

In other words, if Tannehill had whatever ability he currently doesn't have that would eliminate his contribution to the problem, what if the offense with regard to the pass rush would be functioning in such a way that we wouldn't perceive it to be any worse than the NFL norm, i.e., we wouldn't perceive it to be "a problem" at all?

We might still recognize that the offensive line has weaknesses, but sacks, per se, wouldn't seem to be an issue, because they wouldn't happen for the Dolphins any more often than they do for the average team.

 

[Dolfan23]

There's no question that tannehill plays a role in some of this...I'm not stupid...he's not a great pocket manager qb yet...but the root problem lies in the protection...specifically the OT position...

One thing we can say for sure is that we have the most offensive tackles I've ever seen on a Dolphins team in my life!

I think just having a former Pro Bowler at LT in McKinnie to protect his blindside will do wonders for how Tannehill acts in the pocket. Not that he was rushing or having happy feet before but he still hasn't looked right. I think simply the mental aspect of this switch may do wonders for him.

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"Shouright: your all-service one-stop for statistics, smart-ass remarks, and your general repository for your frustration about the team. Please, come again." :)

So in other words, you either cannot or will not look this stat up as it doesn't fit the agenda of making Tannehill look bad?

How does Tannehill rate in the percentage of pressured dropbacks where he's thrown an INT? I'm betting he's well above the league average there.

 

[Shouright]

So in other words, you either cannot or will not look this stat up as it doesn't fit the agenda of making Tannehill look bad?

Tannehill throws an INT every 21.75 dropbacks in which he's pressured, which is less than a standard deviation (0.92) below the league average of an INT every 45.61 pressured dropbacks.

 

[Dolfan23]

Tannehill throws an INT every 21.75 dropbacks in which he's pressured, which is less than a standard deviation (0.92) below the league average of an INT every 45.61 pressured dropbacks.

Link?

 

[Shouright]

Link?

https://www.profootballfocus.com/da...ason=2013&stype=r&pos=qbu&teamid=-1&filter=50

 

[Dolfan23]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/da...ason=2013&stype=r&pos=qbu&teamid=-1&filter=50

Thank you I appreciate it.

And I stand corrected Tannehill has been pretty bad under pressure this year. 2 TDs and 4 picks and a 30% sack rate and 44% completions. Not good

 

[dolphans1]

You may not agree with me Phindog, but Tannehill just turned it over on a fumble, to the Patriots.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

Damn. Saw this earlier and was going to post it. Didnt think it would be posted already.

Yea, people can keep listening to wanna be scouts around here or listen to a HOF caliber WR who played in this exact offense under Sherman. Of course Sharpe had success in this offense under Sherman as just about everyone else who has been in it did.

Mike Sherman has done nothing but, win everywhere he has been with this offense. Its the thing that is proven. Ryan Runofthemill isnt. But, people can go on bashing Sherman, Philbin, Ireland, and the OL. Stay clueless.

Tyson Clabo is indeed hot garbage. No one disputes this. However the rest of the OL is doing a decent job out there. They are playing well enough to win. The problem has been Runofthemill.

We have 10 games to play. Unless Runofthemill can play well in 7 or 8 of them, we are going to need to find another QB. Thats just reality. Over a 21 game span the kid has shown he is capable of playing well and beating any team in the league. The problem is half of the time he has shown he is capable of playing so poorly we lose to teams we have no business losing to. We would be better off with an average QB who plays average game in and game out. That way you beat the teams you are good enough to beat.

However I dont want average. I want a QB who plays as well as Runofthemill does on his good days. If Runofthemill can start being consistent, we have something. He has 10 games to prove himself. The talent is there. Bash Ireland all you want, but this is a solid roster he has put together. The defense is capable, the WRs are talented, and the OL is decent outside of Clabo. Its a team that should win this division if they get good QB play.

The most baffling aspect of the Tannehill/Sherman relationship that led to Miami selecting him with a top 10 pick is the logic behind it.

The fanbase was required to trust the selection based on Mike Sherman. The coach who had him playing wide receiver....

How the hell was any competent individual supposed to subscribe to this logic? Ryan Tannehill never looked like a franchise quarterback in the Big-12 with two top-5 picks protecting him. I'm not sure it's a shocker that he still doesn't.

Johnny Manziel elevated that program...doing it against an SEC schedule.

 

[dlockz]

The most baffling aspect of the Tannehill/Sherman relationship that led to Miami selecting him with a top 10 pick is the logic behind it.

The fanbase was required to trust the selection based on Mike Sherman. The coach who had him playing wide receiver....

How the hell was any competent individual supposed to subscribe to this logic? Ryan Tannehill never looked like a franchise quarterback in the Big-12 with two top-5 picks protecting him. I'm not sure it's a shocker that he still doesn't.

Johnny Manziel elevated that program...doing it against an SEC schedule.

Well to be fair it was a testament of Tannehills athletic ability that he was abe to play early as a wide receiver. Its not like they had scrub playing over him.
Manzial and the new head coach elevated that program. Sherman was mediocre to below average as a head coach there

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

Well to be fair it was a testament of Tannehills athletic ability that he was abe to play early as a wide receiver. Its not like they had scrub playing over him.
Manzial and the new head coach elevated that program. Sherman was mediocre to below average as a head coach there

Athletic ability that he has no idea how to use at the quarterback position. He only needs to use 60% of it.

The point is that if Ryan Tannehill was legitimate franchise quarterback material, you would've seen it early. ...as would Mike Sherman. I'm always a firm believer in that.

Bottom line is that Tannehill can be a serviceable game manager at the quarterback position. But he's not going to be an elite quarterback. He doesn't have the required feel for the game, and he still struggles with situational football. I feel like I pointed this out fairly well in regards to Ryan Tannehill leading up to the draft.

 

[Shouright]

Well to be fair it was a testament of Tannehills athletic ability that he was abe to play early as a wide receiver. Its not like they had scrub playing over him.
Manzial and the new head coach elevated that program. Sherman was mediocre to below average as a head coach there

Manziel has the same if not more athletic ability, yet he won the Heisman as a freshman at quarterback.

 

[Shouright]

Athletic ability that he has no idea how to use at the quarterback position. He only needs to use 60% of it.

The point is that if Ryan Tannehill was legitimate franchise quarterback material, you would've seen it early. ...as would Mike Sherman. I'm always a firm believer in that.

Bottom line is that Tannehill can be a serviceable game manager at the quarterback position. But he's not going to be an elite quarterback. He doesn't have the required feel for the game, and he still struggles with situational football. I feel like I pointed this out fairly well in regards to Ryan Tannehill leading up to the draft.

And the problem right now is that Sherman, the guy who should know him better than anyone, isn't using him to manage games. He's using him to win them, which is a mistake IMO, and the reason why this team has lost its last two.

 

[iambanned]

Tannehill and Sherman are handcuffed together. There's no one without the other, and Philbin is in this chain too. Tannehill is the same player now that he was in college. He folds under pressure like paper bag, but Sherman and Philbin put all their eggs in his basket from the get-go.
Actually, I do think they wanted Garrard to start in 2012, and Moore never looked good enough to secure the starting job for himself, now when Garrard got injured. Tannehill was supposed to sit and learn and, ultimately, he's done neither. Runofthemill, just to go with a finheaven meme, acts like he never film, even though he apparently puts in the work. When the bullets fly, all the poise goes out the window and it's been that way since his first college game.

Poise must be the most underrated QB attribute, and it must be very hard to scout, or at least the Dolphins make it seem that way. Tannehill is a physical specimen and a half with a box of rocks on his shoulders. His physical gifts are so stunning that he fools the viewer into thinking he's got it figured out, then the nightmares happen over and over again.
The organization is being tortured right now because it's just too hard to ignore the physical gifts, but it really seems like Tannehill is not capable of beating defenses and winning NFL games with any consistency whatsoever. He's been scouted by the league and every week he's overwhelmed by opposing defenses in crunch time of games.
Some how, some way, some Dolphin scout has to find a QB with good enough physical traits to compliment a winning brain. He doesn't have to be as tall, fast, or even rocket-armed as Tannehill, but he has to show the ability to keep his head and make the plays that are there to make (including evading pressure and running for first downs like Brady did yesterday. I mean, doesn't it make you sick that Brady runs better than Tannehill in terms of making plays that are there to make?

I don't know how it relates to the Dolphins considering him as a draft pick, but Johnny Football was a better winning QB in his first college game than Tannehill was in his last. You watch the guy and you see intuition, poise, desire and confidence. If that guy was our QB right this second, I believe he could win more games the rest of the year than Tannehill.

When you think about the doubts we have on this board, you know the Dolphins locker room is thinking and feeling the same. When he makes those 2nd half mistakes, the whole team collectively lets hope erode and evaporate. Miami was physically beating New England yesterday. They were winning the line of scrimmage, and then they weren't, and it all starts with belief and the lack thereof. This is what Tannehill does to this team week in an week out.

 

[j-off-her-doll]

The most baffling aspect of the Tannehill/Sherman relationship that led to Miami selecting him with a top 10 pick is the logic behind it.

The fanbase was required to trust the selection based on Mike Sherman. The coach who had him playing wide receiver....

How the hell was any competent individual supposed to subscribe to this logic? Ryan Tannehill never looked like a franchise quarterback in the Big-12 with two top-5 picks protecting him. I'm not sure it's a shocker that he still doesn't.

Johnny Manziel elevated that program...doing it against an SEC schedule.

So Slimm, how much are you liking Manziel as an NFL QB?

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

So Slimm, how much are you liking Manziel as an NFL QB?

First of all, let me start by saying that I'm not a fan of his antics, attitude, and the selfish behavior that he displays on and off the field. I think he's extremely immature mentally....but he's young, and he's good. He knows it. That's why he's so ****y.

It's not possible to watch Johnny Manziel game in/game out and not see that he's playing the game of football on a different level than everybody else is. He does this so naturally and instinctively. His ability to escape pressure and extend plays is better than anything I've ever seen. However, what's special about the way he does it is best described as calm chaos. He moves so quickly that it appears as if he's panicking.... but he's not. I just watched him spin the football with one hand to grasp the laces correctly WHILE the pocket was caving in, with pass rushers all around him, in the critical moments of a game. Nobody does this. Manziel has a unique ability embrace high pressure situations.

His ability to scan the entire field quickly while keeping plays alive is extraordinary. It's incredible to see.

Game manager is not part of his makeup. He's 100% gunslinger at all times. He's a mixture of Brett Favre, Michael Vick, and Doug Flutie.

He's a coach's worst nightmare because he thinks he can do anything and he's not afraid to try it. He has a bad habit of throwing up prayers into coverage that are often answered. This is something that he must get control of.

Spins the football extremely clean with velocity to all areas of the field. Throws dart after dart into the tightest of coverages.

I could go on, but the bottom line here is that he's a risky player with tremendous upside. I think he has some trouble operating from the confines of a pocket due to difficulty seeing cleanly from it. It's a height issue. I think that's why he breaks the pocket so much...but good things happen when he does. I'll refer back to comments made by LSU's defense last year in regards to Manziel... "He's like trying to catch a squirrel high on methamphetamine"...

My biggest concern with Johnny Manziel is his coachability. I don't know if he's coachable. I imagine Kevin Sumlin often wonders the same thing.

In a quarterback driven league, a player this unique is worth is the risk... for better or worse.