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More on the Banks question...

Yes, Banks too is smaller than ideal. Indeed, this shows up in many of the scouting reports that I've seen. Most think he could survive at Tackle or thrive at Guard. Membou? He's a Guard in my mind... that is, if his listed measurements are accurate (and many times they are not). 6'3" and 330some pounds... he's have to be elite to play outside for long-- especially as he slows over his career.
 
I wouldn't hate Stewart at 13, but I wouldn't love it either. As MrClean noted, there's a big difference between not getting sacks and not being an effective pass rusher. Robinson was a very effective pass rusher at Penn State, and he led the 2024 Class in quick-pressure rate (Pearce Jr leads the 2025 class).

It's unlikely that Stewart ever develops into a great player. He should be a good player, as his tools give him a high floor, but his football IQ is comically low - in addition to his lack of skill/refinement.

Elijah Roberts should be there at 48 - maybe even 98 - and he's actually a good player. Ran a 4.78 at 285 lbs.

Pearce Jr shouldn't be available anyway, but I wouldn't sacrifice greatness for fit. Stylistically, Robinson and Pearce Jr would be like Ware and Miller (except Ware was passed his prime when he played with Miller).
 
I would have to pass on Stewart. He dropped 20-25 pounds for the combine. While that is great for him and he tested phenomenal, he played DL in college and had rather mediocre production. We need a 3/5 tech DE to replace Campbell. Derrick Harmon is the guy who really impressed me yesterday. He has drawn comparisons to Cam Heyward, which is I believe is exactly what this team needs.

I don’t think this team needs another raw pass rusher like Chop (I know he gets a lot of pressures, but if he didn’t have an insane first step he would have been a day 2 pick). I would prefer a guy like Jack Sawyer who has a lower ceiling but comes with a range of moves and a non stop motor.
 
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ThePeopleShow13 said:
I would have to pass on Stewart. He dropped 20-25 pounds for the combine. While that is great for him and he tested phenomenal, he played DL in college and had rather mediocre production. We need a 3/5 tech DE to replace Campbell. Derrick Harmon is the guy who really impressed me yesterday. He has drawn comparisons to Cam Heyward, which is I believe is exactly what this team needs.

I don’t think this team needs another raw pass rusher like Chop (I know he gets a lot of pressures, but if he didn’t have an insane first step he would have been a day 2 pick). I would prefer a guy like Jack Sawyer who has a lower ceiling but comes with a range of moves and a non stop motor.
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Actually... he dropped 14 lbs.

Not unusual, a lot of players do this each year.

But even after dropping weight to 267lbs from 281 at the Senior Bowl, he out jumped the much smaller Pierce.

Pierce's jumps were comically low... more in line with an Offensive Lineman.

Yes, his straight line speed was very fast, but his jumps were very bad. That's not a good sign for a OLB.
 
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A bit of the lack of production as far as sack numbers for Shemar Stewart can be chalked up to the defensive scheme of A&M's defense where containment from the ends is often the #1 priority more so then other defenses. Nic Scourton has eluded to this in interviews comparing his days from Purdue.
 
MrClean said:
I prefer beef at 13 too. So far, I have not seen anyone I'd prefer over Membou. Assuming Campbell is gone.
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I am not as savvy about the draft as you guys, but I would be happy with Stewart ( or Grant for that matter). If he is gone, I like Membou too. At 6'3", 330 lbs, and with 34" arms, I think he can hold his own at multiple positions along our OL. I like that he can really move for someone of that size. With our scheme, I think he can help us even if he starts out playing guard. Going back in time a bit, I liked Mark Dixon a lot because of his versatility. He held his own, even when they needed him at LT. I think Membou can be a similar player. It would be nice to have a guy actually contribute that we don't have to worry about.
 
Gulfstream said:
A bit of the lack of production as far as sack numbers for Shemar Stewart can be chalked up to the defensive scheme of A&M's defense where containment from the ends is often the #1 priority more so then other defenses. Nic Scourton has eluded to this in interviews comparing his days from Purdue.
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That's one thing that too many brothers just don't get.

...and it comes from lumping OLBs and DEs into a one-size-fits-all category of "edge". It ain't so.

There are different responsibilities on a football field... and in different schemes. Stewart, as a 280 DE set the Edge on most plays, but did lead his team in pressures. It wasn't a huge measurable number, but ball-out to the QB wasn't his job... setting the Edge was.
 
Beach Bum said:
I am not as savvy about the draft as you guys, but I would be happy with Stewart ( or Grant for that matter). If he is gone, I like Membou too. At 6'3", 330 lbs, and with 34" arms, I think he can hold his own at multiple positions along our OL. I like that he can really move for someone of that size. With our scheme, I think he can help us even if he starts out playing guard. Going back in time a bit, I liked Mark Dixon a lot because of his versatility. He held his own, even when they needed him at LT. I think Membou can be a similar player. It would be nice to have a guy actually contribute that we don't have to worry about.
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Can't argue with that.

I like Membou... I just don't love him.

I'd like him more at 20 or 25 than 13.
 
Feverdream said:
That's one thing that too many brothers just don't get.

...and it comes from lumping OLBs and DEs into a one-size-fits-all category of "edge". It ain't so.

There are different responsibilities on a football field... and in different schemes. Stewart, as a 280 DE set the Edge on most plays, but did lead his team in pressures. It wasn't a huge measurable number, but ball-out to the QB wasn't his job... setting the Edge was.
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There's some good tape out there of Stewart and Membou going head to head. They both had their wins and losses but it was Membou's lowest graded game last season.
 
Feverdream said:
Conservatively... you've got to figure that both QBs, Carter, Graham, Hunter, and Turner SHOULD come off quickly.

That's 6.

I guess Turner might slide, but we'd jump on that... so 6.

Realistically, I don't think any of these will plummet.

If Simmons, Jeanty, or Warren... or better yet, all three get taken.

We're looking REALLY good then.
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Turner? Who do you mean?
 
Feverdream said:
Well... first off... I've spoken MANY times about how I'd red flag players with character concerns. They'd NEVER be on my board. Too many of them end up in jail or dead... and they sour the locker room with their antics. If the concerns are real, then I'm 100% out on a player. It isn't worth the risk... the circus.

Pierce has good numbers in college against the run, but let's face it... if he's asked to go head up vs. a 320# NFL Tackle; he's going to lose a LOT more often than he is going to win. He's 6'5" and 245. He can be strong for that size, but that isn't NFL Tackle strong. In the running game, he'll get pushed around.
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and this team's relaxed atmosphere and chill hc is a recipe for disaster for an unbridled player
 
Gulfstream said:
There's some good tape out there of Stewart and Membou going head to head. They both had their wins and losses but it was Membou's lowest graded game last season.
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Stewart would be asked to do the Calais Campbell things... Campbell weighed 290 when he was drafted, so more than Stewart's playing weight of 281 last year, but Stewart is also a good 2 inches shorter than Campbell.
 
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Could be... I won't disagree with any of that. As I've said, when people say, "this guy WILL or WONT" be there; they are talking out of their lower orifice.

I think the key thing is that... no matter which 12 are selected ahead of us, there will very likely be a guy available @13 who fits our needs.

I think a lot of folks fall in love with a candidate or a position and then internalize it to such a point that they are just POSITIVE that all the clubs agree with them.

MY preference is for beef... a DE, DT, or T/G... and if the team agrees (which isn't guaranteed. Hell, they might want Warren or McMillan). When I reduce my list down... I'm left with 5 players who I'd happily select in that spot. Mykel Williams, Shemar Stewart, Will Campbell, Kelvin Banks, or Mason Graham... with the added 2 of Tetairoa McMillan and Will Johnson that I value, but that would obviously force the team into going beef, beef, beef, beef... with their next 4 or 5 picks. Taking one of those two means we'd be so much less likely to take a QB or a TE in rounds 3-5.

We keep saying... ALL of us keep saying... the team needs to be tougher... stronger... and then many immediately talk about taking positions that would not help us where we are weakest-- in both trenches. I want to hit my head against the wall when someone suggests a Safety, and then lists a 3rd tier Guard as their 5th round target. Ugh.
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I can agree with that. every draft there are 'surprises' who fall and 'surprises who are picked 'early.' I know almost nothing about team draft needs or prospects (don't care until a week or 2 prior to the draft), but I suspect there will be one of Miami's needs available at #1
 
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