Sherman Fired

[Hayden Fox]

or I could just do what you do and say he's going to get out-coached every week, move on when I'm wrong and puff out my chest when I'm right. Hell I keep saying the same thing every week like you did, I'll be right eventually like you were.

But since you want to talk about bandwagons Mr. McCoy (or is it Mr. Billick?) I have been rather open as to that Philbin has a lot to work on as a coach. He has to take responsibility for the inept offense just like Sherman did, and so many people want Tannehill to. But to say he has shown encouraging signs in some aspects is bullheaded. He much like everybody else within the organization layed an egg the last 2 weeks of the season. But I, unlike you, will give credit where credit is due and also give flak when flak is due. And I, unlike you, will not bring Mike McCoy into every damn thread.

But you are the same person who bashed Joe for not having the balls to fire Mike Sherman last week. Don't say you didn't because you did. If Joe was to go out and hire the hottest OC commodity there was tomorrow you'd find a way to bash it.

I never, ever bashed Joe for not firing Sherman last week. Go look it up. In fact, I said if Joe was adamant that he want Sherman to return, but Ross wanted him fired…Joe should be allowed to have on his staff who he wants…

Thanks for making things up though. That helps the process.

Joe Philbin has shown no encouraging signs as a coach. In fact, when he had a chance to come up big and get his team in the playoffs, his team came up the weakest they played all year.

 

[Hayden Fox]

What are you talking about, he likely discussed his options with Sherman. It was no surprise to him. He just got the old guy two years on the payroll with loyalty.
But the won't want to work for him for other reasons. Like him being a lame duck! But I'm sure he is just fine with Sherman.

If Joe truly did not want Sherman, then fine. However, there is nothing to base this on. In fact, multiple media outlets have said it is the owner that wanted Sherman out and Joe wanted to keep him on.

I am shocked by this…I really am. I am the resident Joe Philbin basher. However, I AM the one saying he should have the coaches he wants. Yet, Philbin apologists state that Sherman's firing is good and blah, blah, blah, but when you say this you are indirectly saying that Joe is not fit to select his own guys.

I am so confused.

 

[z926538]

It's so sad that even this small token feels like a victory, considering it looked feasible that we would do absolutely nothing.

It doesn't feel like a victory to me. It won't feel like a victory for this franchise until Jeff Ireland is gone.

Sherman is the designated scapegoat to protect Jeff Ireland.

 

[TheMageGandalf]

Hate to get so negative but....not going to make a difference if you keep Ireland and Philbin around. Ross must've enjoyed Sparano's final season because its about to repeat.

After a bad year next year I am sure we will see the excuses starting with RT and others were just starting to learn a new offense and that takes time blah blah blah...meh.

I hope I eat crow with a huge side of crow fries but I doubt it.

 

[roy_miami]

I am shocked by this…I really am. I am the resident Joe Philbin basher. However, I AM the one saying he should have the coaches he wants. Yet, Philbin apologists state that Sherman's firing is good and blah, blah, blah, but when you say this you are indirectly saying that Joe is not fit to select his own guys.

I am so confused.

Well John Harbaugh fired an offensive coordinator midway through the season last year so I guess it happens, even to the best of them.

 

[One Love]

If Joe truly did not want Sherman, then fine. However, there is nothing to base this on. In fact, multiple media outlets have said it is the owner that wanted Sherman out and Joe wanted to keep him on.

I am shocked by this…I really am. I am the resident Joe Philbin basher. However, I AM the one saying he should have the coaches he wants. Yet, Philbin apologists state that Sherman's firing is good and blah, blah, blah, but when you say this you are indirectly saying that Joe is not fit to select his own guys.

I am so confused.

According to Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald:

“A Ross associate mentioned how openly exasperated Philbin was during games about some of Mike Sherman’s play calls”

This at least makes me feel much better about Philbin. However, if he was so "exasperated" I wish he had the cojones to make some play calling changes that were necessary during the season.

 

[Lilseb93]

Well it looks like Mike Sherman just got...
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Sherminated. YEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!

 

[TheMageGandalf]

If Joe truly did not want Sherman, then fine. However, there is nothing to base this on. In fact, multiple media outlets have said it is the owner that wanted Sherman out and Joe wanted to keep him on.

Forget about media outlets, I am just seeing whats going on with Ross's helicopter and whatnot and all this 'I am disappointed', 'Look at everything' talk. If Ross doesn't really have meetings or push it, does anyone really think Sherman gets fired? Really?

If that's the case then Philbin's ability to get his own coaches and all that in his contract is garbage because he really can't do it. He can only maybe hire them but when push comes to shove he can't have the real final say. So at this point I have lost some respect for the guy because your not firing your 'mentor' because you seriously wanted him out due to his job performance, your doing it to save your own skin and sell him out as the scape goat and damn that is a hell of a thing to do to your 'mentor' and a person you supposedly respect so much.

I get it though, he's got a family and doesn't want to lose his job. If Philbin busts out last Monday and says Sherman's gone, I'd think differently because I'd be sure it was coming from him and not from Ross or whomever.

 

[Finland]

If Joe truly did not want Sherman, then fine. However, there is nothing to base this on. In fact, multiple media outlets have said it is the owner that wanted Sherman out and Joe wanted to keep him on.

I am shocked by this…I really am. I am the resident Joe Philbin basher. However, I AM the one saying he should have the coaches he wants. Yet, Philbin apologists state that Sherman's firing is good and blah, blah, blah, but when you say this you are indirectly saying that Joe is not fit to select his own guys.

I am so confused.

I meant after "ross told Philbin he should fire joe" Philbin would have had a good talk with Sherman. Perhaps even before Ross said the words, since they must be smart and all. I agree with you, I was only saying people will not see it as a lack of support by Philbin. I totally think it lame ducks him however, as I said. Actually he lame ducked himself. He did not have to let everyone think he was not in agreement. I've been suspect on Joe Philbin since he picked Tannehill and Sherman. Sherman obviously had his Joe's ear with regards to the QB and even if it proves right, it was an indicator to me that I did not like Joe's style.

Anyway "who lame ducks themselves"? That was text book bad self management. He should have said it was what he wanted, even it it wasn't. Management/leadership 101.

 

[TheMageGandalf]

This at least makes me feel much better about Philbin. However, if he was so "exasperated" I wish he had the cojones to make some play calling changes that were necessary during the season.

That's it right there though. Is he a HC or not? It's like he was still the student and Sherman was the teacher and was not going to talk back to his teacher. I don't know, maybe he doesn't like play calling and that's why he wasn't in that capacity in Green Bay and isn't in that capacity here. He likes to analyze and plan things but when it comes to immediate, quick thinking he doesn't want any part of that.

 

[Finland]

That's it right there though. Is he a HC or not? It's like he was still the student and Sherman was the teacher and was not going to talk back to his teacher. I don't know, maybe he doesn't like play calling and that's why he wasn't in that capacity in Green Bay and isn't in that capacity here. He likes to analyze and plan things but when it comes to immediate, quick thinking he doesn't want any part of that.

What slow thinking would you say he is good at?
I want to start a list of positives, but I'm slow to start.

 

[TheMageGandalf]

What slow thinking would you say he is good at?
I want to start a list of positives, but I'm slow to start.

The kind where he has a week to analyze and prepare the offense. However, the plan itself needs to be carried out by the OC, and the OC needs to adjust it according to the changes the other team is making immediately on the fly during the game. Philbin doesn't like that and wants to just know that there's a plan in place, as agreed upon before the game and so he has peace of mind and can just manage from the sidelines what he can as HC.

I think Philbin likes to take his time and prepare a dossier on a team during the week, plan how they will attack, and then once that plan is set he goes through with it and good luck to the OC. Its possible that's the approach and why we rarely saw any second half changes against teams during the season. Sherman tried to stick to the plans Philbin could come up with as much as possible but whether due to age or whatnot he couldn't adjust fast enough if it required they deviate too much from the plan that was set before the game started. Heck, maybe that's why we ran such a rudimentary offensive scheme, because he wanted to be able to adjust with as little effort as possible as the game went on, obviously with little success.

Its possible Philbin just likes it this way as he's been doing it forever. (analyzing and preparing the plan and then the OC goes off with it during the game) For whatever reason in GB they didn't want him making the game calls as OC. I always thought that was a little weird, maybe it was just me.

 

[Atila]

Getting rid of Sherman is nice, but it doesn't change Philbin's piss-poor in-game management or (lack of) halftime adjustments.

Here we go again.

 

[sm0kinfins]

Good luck wherever you land Sherm.

Hopefully you wont have a ****ty QB at your next stop.

Right, becasue Tannehill is the reason he's been fired from his last 4 jobs. It has absolutely nothing to do with his lack of coaching ability. :rolleyes2:

 

[wonderl33t]