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Should McDaniel be cut?

Miamifinz said:
If Kheeston Randall impresses I think you have to cut him.
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Where do some of you come up with this nonsense?

Watch some more game footage. McDaniel could start in this league. He played both DE and NT(on passing downs) for us while we were running the 3-4. Extremely versatile and consistent player. I'd work on a restructure before I ever considered outright cutting him, especially in favor of some 7th round rookie, no matter what he does before the games that really matter.
 
I'm just going to repeat what's been said already, but yes you keep him as a rotational player. He's extremely versatile, and we need that right now. Will he be re-signed? Not likely for anything near those numbers, but you certainly don't want to cut the guy unless something big comes along.

You certainly don't cut him based on a couple of OTAs from a 7th round draft pick though... I mean, jesus. When is Kheeston Randall going to impress the coaches enough that we say "Okay we can get rid of Tony McDaniel"? Week 3 of pre-season, when we don't need the cap room?

If Kheestan Randall impresses then you make it easy to say "cya later, Tony!" instead of having to figure out a good contract offer for him. Considering Starks AND McDaniel are on their contract years... you have to start looking for the best bargain, when you figure out we have alot of key players on their final years next season.
 
AdamC13 said:
Haven't kept up with the Jake Long contract talks as of late. If it means getting Long to a contract extension then cut him. McDaniel may resign for less. If not, there will be other options available when other teams release players.
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We would actually be creating more cap room if we resigned Jake long term.
 
Well, I disagree with those who think we should just outright cut him. He's been a solid, if not spectacular player for us. He's a borderline starter on many, if not most teams.

I have only seen a cap hit and salary of $3M for him, not over $4M that the OP is reporting. Don't know the specifics of his contract and that is one of the main reasons he's probably still here...he's a decent player that plays a lot of downs (decent enough that the level of play when he's in doesn't get sacrificed) and his salary is tenable... Again, what we don't know is his cap hit if we cut him...

fwis, my sources...

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/average/safety/

http://www.sportscity.com/NFL/Miami-Dolphins-Salaries
 
If John Jerry does not perform as a starter, Mcdaniel ma be cut and Jake Scott Signed. Ireland will then go fishing for DT backup help from training camp cuts.
 
I don't know, I remember not being able to stop the run in 2007 becuase we rolled with Steve Fifita, big Chase Page and Roddy Wright (the 1st round prospect we got in the 7th lol!!) as our backups. Depth along the D-line is extremely important, these big guys need to be spelled often and it's nice when the drop off isn't big.
 
circumstances said:
jared odrick
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Odrick played on the side opposite Langford. If you watched the rotations last year, Langford and McDaniel were the rotation on the left.

That being said, does McDaniel really have a position anymore in a 4-3. He would have to be able to play DT in a 3-4, because he certainly is not a 3-4 DE. He may simply not have a position to play anymore. I think this may be why Langford was let go also. He is a very good DE in a 3-4, but would be useless as a 4-3 DE.
 
I thought the cap hit was closer to 2 million but could be wrong.

Basically you do not release someone unless you have replaced him with someone better.
 
fishbanger said:
If John Jerry does not perform as a starter, Mcdaniel ma be cut and Jake Scott Signed. Ireland will then go fishing for DT backup help from training camp cuts.
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Not sure I follow... by the time we find out for sure about John Jerry it will be too late to do any of what you suggested.
 
The Dolphins would save around $2.7 million on the salary cap if they cut Tony McDaniel, and I think they should do it if Kheeston Randle and/or Ryan Baker show anything.

Jared Odrick is a defensive tackle trying to play defensive end. You ask where's the depth at DT if you cut McDaniel, well there it is right there. You have Soliai, Odrick and Starks, and that's plenty. Behind them you have Randle and Baker and I believe both are roster worthy. The Dolphins have too many DTs, not enough DEs, IMO.

The thing that changes everything is the fact that salary cap space can be EASILY rolled forward now. Saving that $2.7 million means $2.7 million more in cap space in 2013 and beyond. Three years ago that wasn't the case. It wasn't very easy to roll space forward, you had to do it indirectly enlisting the help of some of your trusted veterans who would all their contracts to be re-done to include some incentives they knew damn well they were never going to be achieved. In most cases, teams were forced to allow millions in cap space to just get flushed down the toilet. Now, when you make your final cuts, you know that whatever space you have this year will be rolled forward to next year. You could see as much as $6 or $7 million of salary cap space cleared in the final cut downs, because teams will be making the choice of whether this guy is so valuable relative to the guy right below him on the depth chart this year, that it's worth $3 million or whatever of potential 2013 cap space.

Quite frankly, I don't think McDaniel is that valuable.
 
ckparrothead said:
The Dolphins would save around $2.7 million on the salary cap if they cut Tony McDaniel, and I think they should do it if Kheeston Randle and/or Ryan Baker show anything.

Jared Odrick is a defensive tackle trying to play defensive end. You ask where's the depth at DT if you cut McDaniel, well there it is right there. You have Soliai, Odrick and Starks, and that's plenty. Behind them you have Randle and Baker and I believe both are roster worthy. The Dolphins have too many DTs, not enough DEs, IMO.

The thing that changes everything is the fact that salary cap space can be EASILY rolled forward now. Saving that $2.7 million means $2.7 million more in cap space in 2013 and beyond. Three years ago that wasn't the case. It wasn't very easy to roll space forward, you had to do it indirectly enlisting the help of some of your trusted veterans who would all their contracts to be re-done to include some incentives they knew damn well they were never going to be achieved. In most cases, teams were forced to allow millions in cap space to just get flushed down the toilet. Now, when you make your final cuts, you know that whatever space you have this year will be rolled forward to next year. You could see as much as $6 or $7 million of salary cap space cleared in the final cut downs, because teams will be making the choice of whether this guy is so valuable relative to the guy right below him on the depth chart this year, that it's worth $3 million or whatever of potential 2013 cap space.

Quite frankly, I don't think McDaniel is that valuable.
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Just so I'm not misinterpreting you here. When you say an extra 3mil in space do you mean like if we have 127mil standard cap space next year but if we cut McD and save that 3mil we would actually have 130mil cap space next year?
 
Dr. Phin said:
Odrick played on the side opposite Langford. If you watched the rotations last year, Langford and McDaniel were the rotation on the left.

That being said, does McDaniel really have a position anymore in a 4-3. He would have to be able to play DT in a 3-4, because he certainly is not a 3-4 DE. He may simply not have a position to play anymore. I think this may be why Langford was let go also. He is a very good DE in a 3-4, but would be useless as a 4-3 DE.
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Useless? Man the posts just keep getting better and better.

He played in a 4-3 in Jacksonville before we converted him to a 3-4 end. Teams absolutely must have depth at the DT spot in a 4-3, which McDaniel provides, especially coming in on passing downs because Soliai will not be in that package.
 
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