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Should of, Could of, Would of... been the beginning of the Ryan Mallett Era...

LikeUntoGod said:
You can play games with stats. For instance mixing Ricky's better stats with Ronnie's or not mentioning that Ricky is behind Ray Rice and Ronnie is behind McCoy.
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Stats are valid or they are not. If these two are such hot potatos, then they should be starting.
I'm not saying Ricky and Ronnie aren't talented. Far from it. I'm simply trying to point out
that wailing and gnashing teeth over the loss of these two is far from necessary. We have
a back that is out producing both those backs with half the games played. I think playing
in half the games outweighs being #2 on the depth chart. Now, you can say that Ricky Williams
is more durable than Thomas, true enough but Ronnie Brown has a past riddled with injuries.

The entire Eagles team is under performing and Ronnie has only 13 carries for 38 yards, a 2.8 YPC in spot duty. One run here, anther run a Qtr later.
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I agree the roster is under performing. Ronnie
included. Did you like his lateral on the goal line? What a veteran play that was.

On the Ravens, the running back really wanted to keep is Ricky Williams, he has 33 carries (half of the 66 R Rice has) Ricky Williams has ran for 138 yards which at 4.7 YPC is better then Ray Rices. You also missed that Ricky has 2 pass receptions for 15 yards, not just one.
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Fair enough. I missed the one reception. I was looking at a game stat, not the season stats. That doesn't change anything in the argument. In fact, none of these stats change anything in my argument.

So now we have in D Thomas a slower version of Ronnie Brown that cost us a couple of picks that could have been used on...hmmm, the OL? Some blocking would help since neither R Bush or D Thomas can pass block or pick us a blitz. I was not surprised that Chad Henne was hurt on a mistake in the backfield, I called that before the season started. I just thought it would be Thomas and not Hillard that did it.
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And Ronnie Brown was chosen where? On the list of things I want my RB to be able to do, blocking
is last on the list. Not saying it's important, just saying I want him to produce in the running game first...
hence the term "Running back".

People get so far on one side or the other, my spot is more in the middle. OK, Draft D Thomas. Trade for and overpay R Bush. But WTF not keep Ricky Williams? Were we holding that roster spot open for L Johnson or S Slaton?
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Slaton may or may not produce, and we got him for nothing. Overpaying for veteran backs isn't the best
route necessarially. My position is pretty much in the middle too, really. I'm not saying it wouldn't have
been wise to retain Ricky or Ronnie, I'm just saying I see no big f'in' deal about them being let go is all.
Machts nichts really. I think the RB situation is the very least of this team's ills is all. That or Punter.

I'm 100% sure that Ricky Williams would have played in all four games. I'm 100% sure that Ricky Williams would not have a hamstring injury. I'm a 100% sure that Ricky Williams could have helped us running the ball in the redzone. I'm 100% sure that Ricky Williams can pick up a blitz.
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Based on the stats so far this year, I'd say that's a fair assumption, as is the hamstring injury thing. But let's not pretend Ricky has never missed a game due to injury. Same with Ronnie. I will so stipulate that they are both better blockers than Thomas.

And hey, get this, HE LIVES HERE, IF WE WOULD OF ASKED HIM, HE WOULD HAVE RESIGNED HERE FOR LESS THEN WE HAVE PAID THE RUNNING BACKS TO TRY TO REPLACE RICKY.
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Well, you don't know that to be true. That's your opinion. Never confuse opinion with fact.

I'm also 100% sure that in the last
couple of months, from time to time, as they were bringing RBs off the street to try out, someone in the FO quietly said "OMG, why didn't we keep one of our running backs?"
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You can be 101% sure of something you don't know about. Doesn't make it fact. I could be 100% sure
the sky is red. That doesn't make it so.
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GoonBoss said:
One could argue that the line is worse this year than last.
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Thats debatable, which means not really a difference. Again the BIG difference is teams are not stacking the line.
 
Ricky definitely wanted to come back. too bad he went the press with all the things he didn't like about the coach.
 
I'm glad they passed on Mallett. If they got him last year we would not be looking for a QB next year in the 1st round.
Who knows he may end up being great but next year there are at least 3 better QB coming out and we most likely with get one. If they had Mallett we'd probably get another tackle in the 1st round. Not that we could not use one.

I really like both Ricky and Ronnie but it was time to move on. They will be missed short term but not in the long run.
 
twix2500 said:
I completely understand that the running game struggled last year. But I do not believe it was due to the running backs. It was due to the interior offensive line struggling and teams stack against the run on us for years because it was the only part of our offensive game that teams respected. I still believe that Ronnie and Ricky would of had a chance to have a decent enough year that we could of waited to target a running back. I may be wrong but I did feel Mallet has a lot of talent, unlike Pat White that we took a chance on years ago.
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it was both. ricky and ronnie are no longer lead backs in this league. they never get yards after contact, and they arent explosive. plain and simple it was time to move on. ronnie brown was injury prone his entire career and was never the same after his latest injury. its not like these guys were 26. they are on the wrong side of 30 and neither has had a big season in several years. why are people so attached to these guys when they didnt even produce?
 
GoonBoss said:
Do you have any citeable quantification for that, or is that your opinion?
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Huh, so I have to read it from someone else, in order for me to know this?? How about watching the games. So its my opnion if I "SEE" the safeties stepping in the box to stop the wild cat, compared to seeing the safeties staying back or dropping back in respects to gates being in the game. LOL I mean really, if you didnt know teams were stacking for the run the past years, you really wasnt paying much attention.
 
Lets say the Mallett era did begin. Mallett takes over the 0-4 fins and leads us to a 1-15 record or 3-13 (same as Manning first year in Indy). Now lets assume we have the number one pick Andrew Luck staring us in the face. Do you honestly think we stick with Mallett or draft the best prospect in years. My guess is they would not pass on Luck, so I don't think the Mallett era had a chance in hindsight.
 
Its not a matter of being attached, it was the matter of priorities. We should of address the QB position ahead of the running back position. Taking a chance on Ryan Mallett, should of been ahead of taking a chance on Daniel Thomas. I have more faith in Ronnie and Ricky than i did in Henne.
 
twix2500 said:
Huh, so I have to read it from someone else, in order for me to know this?? How about watching the games. So its my opnion if I "SEE" the safeties stepping in the box to stop the wild cat, compared to seeing the safeties staying back or dropping back in respects to gates being in the game. LOL I mean really, if you didnt know teams were stacking for the run the past years, you really wasnt paying much attention.
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there is a reason WHY ronnie and ricky are NOT STARTING in the NFL right now. its because they are no longer starting caliber running backs. ronnie was done. ricky didnt have much left, and running backs - when they are done, they fall quickly. even if ricky had anything left he punched his ticket out of town with his remarks about sparano in the offseason. i dont like sparano as a coach, and ricky was correct in his remarks. but it doesnt matter, he shouldnt have been brought back if for no other reason, than for what he had to say about the coach. and its absolutely the correct decision. i like the pouncey and thomas picks they look like they are going to be 2 of the better picks weve had since parcells came to town. so im happy we have those guys. i wish they would have made a move to bring mallett aboard however as well, considering where they could have drafted him.
 
twix2500 said:
Its not a matter of being attached, it was the matter of priorities. We should of address the QB position ahead of the running back position. Taking a chance on Ryan Mallett, should of been ahead of taking a chance on Daniel Thomas. I have more faith in Ronnie and Ricky than i did in Henne.
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Many of us dont feel that drafting Mallett would of been addressing the qb position properly. I'd much rather have Pouncey, Thomas, and either Luck or Barkley than Mallett and whomever. We could of drafted Greg Mcelroy in the first round but that doesnt mean that we addressed the position.
 
It depends, if Ryan looks like the real deal. Then yes you roll with Ryan Mallett. If there are still big question about Mallett then yes you take Andrew Luck, you act like thats a big problem lol.
 
Harry_Bagpipe said:
Many of us dont feel that drafting Mallett would of been addressing the qb position properly. I'd much rather have Pouncey, Thomas, and either Luck or Barkley than Mallett and whomever. We could of drafted Greg Mcelroy in the first round but that doesnt mean that we addressed the position.
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HUH many? Very few felt not drafting Mallett was the right move. Comparing him to McElroy just shows you just being ridiculous now.
 
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