Should of, Could of, Would of... been the beginning of the Ryan Mallett Era...

[LikeUntoGod]

It depends, if Ryan looks like the real deal. Then yes you roll with Ryan Mallett. If there are still big question about Mallett then yes you take Andrew Luck, you act like thats a big problem lol.

Let's go with odds.

We had a 100% chance of drafting QB Ryan Mallett. (hard to beat 100%)

On the other hand, we have less then a 4% chance of drafting QB A Luck.

If fact, it is not certain he will be in the draft. he could stay another season (doubt it) or get injured.

What stud High School QB on your draft board do you have us taking in the 2014 draft?

A bird in the hand is worth two turds in the bush

 

[hightempo]

Luck is the best qb prospect coming out since Elway. Mallett is a middle round selection. To me there is no comparison. Either way we both agree that would take Luck anyway. My point is that too many people got caught up on the Ryan Mallett thing for little to no reason. Yeah hes got a big arm but so do alot of qbs who turn out to be busts.

Ryan Mallett was just a fancy name people got caught up with but the reality is that he was passed on over and over again. It is on par when poeple said we should draft Troy Smith, another fancy name. Ive never seen a guy who was passed over for 6 other qbs thought of so highly that he could be our franchise savor or that could wo should pass on a once in a generation talent like Luck

I have no problem that we passed on Mallett. Personally i wanted Ponder and would of been upset if we passed on him but he was already gone. To me there was noone worth wasting a 1st or 2nd round pick on

have u SEEN the guy play??? hes a little more than a middle round selection. hes a LEGIT first round talent. not only does he have a gun, hes incredibly accurate with his throws and he reads his progressions. he delivered the ball down the field in college on throws that most NFL quarterbacks cant even make. he wasnt just some name dude. the kid can play. i think alot of teams misjudged his character, or his demeanor and hes gonna make some teams pay someday if he ever gets a chance to play sitting behind brady

 

[dlockz]

156 yards through 4 games? hes not exactly setting the world on fire. if he would have kept his mouth shut he would have been retained - as simple as that. ricky is 34 years old if not 35. u cant depend on the guy for obvious reasons, including his age. it was time to move on. how many 100 yard games did he have last year? profootballfocus had him rated as one of the least elusive running backs in the NFL. when was the last time he broke a run of 20 yards even? youre acting like we got rid of adrian peterson. ricky williams is done. we can get the type of production ricky williams would provide from a guy like larry johnson if it was needed

You do realize he is the backup to one of the best backs in the league Ray Rice who has 297 yards rushing and is a workhorse. 156 yards for the backup running back is pretty damn solid . How is Ricky williams less dependable than Danial Thomas who cant stay healthy so far, Lex hilliard who just isnt that good or Larry johnson who is unemployed for his second year in a row and has played like 16 games in the last three . I mean seriosuly u jest that Larry Johnson and his 4 yards rushing the past two years can give u the same production that Ricky williams can. I could care less about FF and their and their anaysis that tells u stuff like Joe berger is among the best centers lol. Personally I dont care if a running back has no carries over 20 yards I care more that he has productive carries. I know he is more productive by far than Reggie Bush running the ball and his 3.0 yards per carry. You also talk about 100 games well when he starts he has produced 100 yard games, in fact the prior year when Ronnie got hurt he was in the top 10 of all running backs rushing. Also it seems Ricky was quite right about what he said and i never said he was Adrian Peterson but he is stioll aproductive back and thats more that can be saiud for any runningback on this roster outside of 50/50 thomas.

 

[HarryBagpipe]

have u SEEN the guy play??? hes a little more than a middle round selection. hes a LEGIT first round talent. not only does he have a gun, hes incredibly accurate with his throws and he reads his progressions. he delivered the ball down the field in college on throws that most NFL quarterbacks cant even make. he wasnt just some name dude. the kid can play. i think alot of teams misjudged his character, or his demeanor and hes gonna make some teams pay someday if he ever gets a chance to play sitting behind brady

I've seen him play many times. I even watched a number of his games including the loss to Alabama a number of times. I guess our opinions of him differ. However I believe almost all the gms had a similiar opinion to mine. QBs with the type of talent you describe are not passed on that many times and by that many other qbs because of his demeanor. J. Russell had a lot of qualities that people were afraid of. He was deemed to not be the hardest worker, couldnt read plays that well among other things. He went one because of his arm. Brady Quinn had issues too that caused him to fall. But a team still trade up into the first round to get him. Ryan Mallett fell all the way to the third round and was picked by a team that didnt need a qb.

I think what transpired with Mallett shows that your opinion of him wasnt shared by many people who were doing the selecting.

 

[Mogwai]

Passing on Mallett was a blunder. This regime has been a sea of blunders. It doesn't even matter anymore. I want them all cleared out. Hopefully, we'll get Lucky next draft and have a competent regime that actually values the QB position.

As for the RB position, DT has looked good when he's healthy but that's not often. The interior run blocking is vastly improved this year. But RB is a much, much easier position to fill than QB. Beanie Wells and Fred Jackson are tearing up the league this year for ****'s sake.

 

[hightempo]

I agree with you on why the regime made those moves. I disagree on that those were good enough reasons to pass on Mallett in the second round. I believe that Mallett has top ten talent, i may be wrong but that is my belief. Maybe his drug issue were worse than i thought, and i believed they were bad. Thomas went exactly where i thought he projected.

dont get me wrong. i think we made a HUGE mistake not ending up with mallett. what im saying is it simply wasnt as simple as taking mallett in the second round for these guys. BECAUSE ireland wasnt convinced mallett would be better than henne THIS YEAR. thats what youre missing here. look how many holes this team has. they ABSOLUTELY HAD to get 2 players that could come in and start IMMEDIATELY in the first 2 rounds, and im sure they were hoping both gates and clay would see significant time on the field THIS YEAR.

the owner went shopping for a coach in the offseason!! that means sparano was in serious jeopardy!! and if ireland didnt have RESULTS from this draft that showed immediately, there was a very good chance he would be gone as well. NFL GMs and coaching positions - they dont come back around. its a one and done deal for these guys. i understand what youre saying, and i AGREE 100%. BUT, it just wasnt that simple, and they tried to move back up in the 3rd to get him and couldnt. youve got to put yourself in irelands shoes here. if it was HIS FIRST YEAR - OF COURSE he takes mallett. he didnt have that luxury. if this draft class didnt show promise he wasnt going to be around to see mallett develop anyways. to them that meant he wasnt worth more than a 3rd round pick, or at least he wasnt worth more than daniel thomas was worth because of the circumstances.

 

[hightempo]

Passing on Mallett was a blunder. This regime has been a sea of blunders. It doesn't even matter anymore. I want them all cleared out. Hopefully, we'll get Lucky next draft and have a competent regime that actually values the QB position.

As for the RB position, DT has looked good when he's healthy but that's not often. The interior run blocking is vastly improved this year. But RB is a much, much easier position to fill than QB. Beanie Wells and Fred Jackson are tearing up the league this year for ****'s sake.

beanie wells is tearing up the league quite simply because he IS A MONSTER. that kid is one hell of a back, and he was a 1st round pick. so not too sure thats a very good example sorry

 

[twix2500]

I've seen him play many times. I even watched a number of his games including the loss to Alabama a number of times. I guess our opinions of him differ. However I believe almost all the gms had a similiar opinion to mine. QBs with the type of talent you describe are not passed on that many times and by that many other qbs because of his demeanor. J. Russell had a lot of qualities that people were afraid of. He was deemed to not be the hardest worker, couldnt read plays that well among other things. He went one because of his arm. Brady Quinn had issues too that caused him to fall. But a team still trade up into the first round to get him. Ryan Mallett fell all the way to the third round and was picked by a team that didnt need a qb.

I think what transpired with Mallett shows that your opinion of him wasnt shared by many people who were doing the selecting.

Believe him Harry, many GMs had high opinions of Mallett as a top ten player. The REASON he felll was because of his drug issues. Harry, Mallets drug rumors were very bad. The rumors were not that they heard he smoked pot, but the rumors around campus was the he showed signs of being a drug addict. Snorting cocaine and using Extacy often, not just to experiment. There were signs that he was another Demarcus Russell and Matt Jones who were drug addicts which killed their career.

 

[MiamiDolfan85]

jesus......

 

[hightempo]

I've seen him play many times. I even watched a number of his games including the loss to Alabama a number of times. I guess our opinions of him differ. However I believe almost all the gms had a similiar opinion to mine. QBs with the type of talent you describe are not passed on that many times and by that many other qbs because of his demeanor. J. Russell had a lot of qualities that people were afraid of. He was deemed to not be the hardest worker, couldnt read plays that well among other things. He went one because of his arm. Brady Quinn had issues too that caused him to fall. But a team still trade up into the first round to get him. Ryan Mallett fell all the way to the third round and was picked by a team that didnt need a qb.

I think what transpired with Mallett shows that your opinion of him wasnt shared by many people who were doing the selecting.

are those the same people that allowed aaron rodgers to fall from #1 to #24? those same people??? pretty sure those same guys u "think" are on your side would say he had a 1st or 2nd round grade - and that INCLUDES any character concerns. just because he was picked in the 3rd round doesnt mean he doesnt have 1st round talent. pretty sure jason taylor was picked in the 3rd round - also pretty sure it was evident right from the start he had 1st round talent.

perhaps when u are watching football games on tv u need a high-def television? perhaps some eyewear? perhaps u were watching jerry macguire and not arkansas and got confused. not really sure.

 

[Mogwai]

beanie wells is tearing up the league quite simply because he IS A MONSTER. that kid is one hell of a back, and he was a 1st round pick. so not too sure thats a very good example sorry

It took him 3 years. But mostly I just picked him because his name amuses me. Fine then, Foster, Forte, Mccoy, Turner, Blount..

 

[twix2500]

dont get me wrong. i think we made a HUGE mistake not ending up with mallett. what im saying is it simply wasnt as simple as taking mallett in the second round for these guys. BECAUSE ireland wasnt convinced mallett would be better than henne THIS YEAR. thats what youre missing here. look how many holes this team has. they ABSOLUTELY HAD to get 2 players that could come in and start IMMEDIATELY in the first 2 rounds, and im sure they were hoping both gates and clay would see significant time on the field THIS YEAR.

the owner went shopping for a coach in the offseason!! that means sparano was in serious jeopardy!! and if ireland didnt have RESULTS from this draft that showed immediately, there was a very good chance he would be gone as well. NFL GMs and coaching positions - they dont come back around. its a one and done deal for these guys. i understand what youre saying, and i AGREE 100%. BUT, it just wasnt that simple, and they tried to move back up in the 3rd to get him and couldnt. youve got to put yourself in irelands shoes here. if it was HIS FIRST YEAR - OF COURSE he takes mallett. he didnt have that luxury. if this draft class didnt show promise he wasnt going to be around to see mallett develop anyways. to them that meant he wasnt worth more than a 3rd round pick, or at least he wasnt worth more than daniel thomas was worth because of the circumstances.

I'm not missing it, i believe the exact same reasoning thats behind the regime decisions. I just dont agree with that reasoning. There hopes relied on Chad Henne, and from his perfomarce of last year, I dont think they could completely rely on him. And I understand that they didnt want to rely on him thats why they went after Orton. But they put themselves in position that they did have to rely on Henne with NO Plan B.

The problem with the regime player moves is, they do a lot of good moves and then good number of bad moves that has crippled them. Pat White, Jerad Odrick and Misi over Bryant, Not drafting Mike Williams, and not taking Mallett in the second round.

 

[hightempo]

You do realize he is the backup to one of the best backs in the league Ray Rice who has 297 yards rushing and is a workhorse. 156 yards for the backup running back is pretty damn solid . How is Ricky williams less dependable than Danial Thomas who cant stay healthy so far, Lex hilliard who just isnt that good or Larry johnson who is unemployed for his second year in a row and has played like 16 games in the last three . I mean seriosuly u jest that Larry Johnson and his 4 yards rushing the past two years can give u the same production that Ricky williams can. I could care less about FF and their and their anaysis that tells u stuff like Joe berger is among the best centers lol. Personally I dont care if a running back has no carries over 20 yards I care more that he has productive carries. I know he is more productive by far than Reggie Bush running the ball and his 3.0 yards per carry. You also talk about 100 games well when he starts he has produced 100 yard games, in fact the prior year when Ronnie got hurt he was in the top 10 of all running backs rushing. Also it seems Ricky was quite right about what he said and i never said he was Adrian Peterson but he is stioll aproductive back and thats more that can be saiud for any runningback on this roster outside of 50/50 thomas.

you are out of your mind. joe berger was rated 2 YEARS AGO as playing well. so get your **** straight and stop trying to warp the facts. how many 20 yard runs did ricky have last year??? how many 10 yard runs?? a 35 year old running back CANNOT BE COUNTED ON TO CARRY THE LOAD. get it??? its pretty simple. which MEANS even if ricky was here - we STILL would need a lead back. so what does ricky solve exactly?? the guys rushed for 40 ****ing yards a game THROUGH FOUR GAMES????? and u are doing cartwheels and singing his praises?? are u high too??? lets see where he is after 16 GAMES. ricky williams was NOT a big loss, and the fact remains - HE COULDNT BE RETAINED BECAUSE HE RAN HIS MOUTH. he simply wasnt worth the baggage at this point. running backs around that 30 year threshold go from being productive one year and the wheels fall off the next. ricky had already lost his ability to get to the edge. im not saying he was terrible last year, but he certainly wasnt a threat either. it was time to move on. and its CLEAR it was time to move on. this was an EASY decision by the front office

 

[HarryBagpipe]

are those the same people that allowed aaron rodgers to fall from #1 to #24? those same people??? pretty sure those same guys u "think" are on your side would say he had a 1st or 2nd round grade - and that INCLUDES any character concerns. just because he was picked in the 3rd round doesnt mean he doesnt have 1st round talent. pretty sure jason taylor was picked in the 3rd round - also pretty sure it was evident right from the start he had 1st round talent.

perhaps when u are watching football games on tv u need a high-def television? perhaps some eyewear? perhaps u were watching jerry macguire and not arkansas and got confused. not really sure.

I guess when we lose substance the only thing left is resorting to insults. Aaron Rodgers still went in the first round which is a huge difference than going in the middle of the third. Your Jason Taylor analogy makes no sense. Im sorry that other people have a different opinion than you on Mallett. You can jump and down and scream as much as you want that he was a top talent and should of been a first rounder but the fact is he wasnt. Like i said, qbs with the type of talent that you think Mallett have dont last until the middle rounds.

Let me know when hes making probowls.......i'll take my chances with Luck or Barkley

 

[LikeUntoGod]

156 yards through 4 games? hes not exactly setting the world on fire. if he would have kept his mouth shut he would have been retained - as simple as that. ricky is 34 years old if not 35. u cant depend on the guy for obvious reasons, including his age. it was time to move on. how many 100 yard games did he have last year? profootballfocus had him rated as one of the least elusive running backs in the NFL. when was the last time he broke a run of 20 yards even? youre acting like we got rid of adrian peterson. ricky williams is done. we can get the type of production ricky williams would provide from a guy like larry johnson if it was needed

And what exactly did we get from L Johnson?

Ricky Williams only has 33 carries because some guy called...uhh..O yea, Ray Rice is the starter. And Ray Rice only has 66 carries and has a 4.5 YPC compared to Ricky's 4.7

If Ricky Williams had been here all of the short preseason, he would not be our "starter" because as everyone knows, R Bush is our "feature back". But I'd say that Ricky Williams could well have as many yards and played as many downs as either back.

But the point is not that Ricky is still a better all around NFL run back and we could of waited another year to draft another "power" RB. Sure, we could have Mallett, Ricky and Bush. Or a rookie RT, Ricky and Bush.

The point is we could of simply had Thomas, Bush and Ricky. And how about a mentor for our new rookie RB, do you want Ricky Williams showing D Thomas how to be a power back or do you want him following R Bush?

We disrupted the team by bringing L Johnson. We wasted some of the few practice reps we had on L Johnson. We wasted money in L Johnson. And why? Just to give D Thomas a lesson in running hard.