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Should of, Could of, Would of... been the beginning of the Ryan Mallett Era...

dlockz said:
Never aid he was a god send and who knows maybe balt will go to superbowl. I guess u miss the concept of a backup runningback. I never once stated that I never wanted Ricky back he has always produced when he has played for us. Hell if I played for this organization I would probably get high too. You say he is just another runningback at this point but in reality he is clearly better than Bush or Hilliard right now and more reliable than Danial Thomas at this point. He didnt throw Sparanio under a bus he told the damn truth. This regime has thrown our team under a bus thats why we are 0-4
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see and that was my whole point from the beginning. ricky is nothing more than a backup. we needed more than a backup running back it as simple as that. and im not saying thats what I THOUGHT. im SAYING thats what THEY thought (ireland and sparano). i wouldnt have a problem with ricky coming back, BUT i certainly wouldnt have thought he was going to be anything special either. the guy has a history of putting the ball on the ground as well, and if thats not offset by his ability to break off some big plays then he simply isnt worth having in the backfield anymore. im sure on talent ALONE it was marginal but they would have brought him back. but when he was critical of sparano he sealed his fate. there was no way they could have him back. its as simple as that. im just saying its not a huge loss, and u cant blame them for not resigning the guy. it WAS the right call given the circumstances
 
dlockz said:
5 qb's were chosen over marino. Brady was drafted in the sixth round.Drew Brees lasted till second round. Not saying mallet is a franchise guy but u cant discount him because he fell to the third round.
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Yes I can. You named 2 qbs that were drafted late out of 100s yhat didnt do **** in the nfl. The odds are against Mallet.

Look around the NFL. I can count on 1 hand all the qbs to be drafted after the first round and are starting. 1st round qbs are.the way to go.
 
hightempo said:
think it was PRETTY CLEAR. ill hold your hand and help u ok? well take it REALLY slow. see if u can follow along ok?

you said : "Like i said, qbs with the type of talent that you think Mallett have dont last until the middle rounds."

and I said "quarterbacks like Tom Brady and Joe Montana you mean???"

in otherwords, arguably (meaning u could debate it i suppose) the 2 best quarterbacks in the HISTORY of the game were drafted in the 6th and 3rd round respectively. you implied that if Ryan Mallett was any good, if he had any talent at all then NFL GMs in their INFINITE wisdom COULD NEVER EVER even THINK about letting him slip to the 3rd round right??? so you MUST be correct.

see what i did there? i just proved to you how ignorant your contention was. since CLEARLY montana and brady are two of the most talented quarterbacks to EVER play the game and yet SOMEHOW they were drafted in the "middle rounds" as u say. how is it with such talent they last so long?????? by your theory - they MUST be awful quarterbacks, just like Mallett MUST not have talent BECAUSE he wasnt drafted in the first round.

see how that works? if u need me to guide you through any other posts, please let me know
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Wow....i dont know if you are really this dense or just have a problem with reading comprehsion. Im guessing both. You are not very bright. This whole thread was about drafting Mallett and the potential he brought to a team. My contention is that I have no issue not drafting him in the first or second round.

You yell and scream that he has all the tools and talent that warrents a top pick. You rattle off about his arm strenght, his accuracy, his ability to make reads among other things.

I try to explain to you that qbs coming out of college that are as highly thought of as you think Mallett is dont last until the middle of the third round. I try to explain to you that if other gms thought as highly of him coming out of college as you did or that he has the potential that you think he has, 6 qbs arent taken ahead of him.

Coming out of college players like Ryan Leaf, Heath Shuler, J. Russell and many more where considered talented enough to warrant top picks. They were wrong just like they were wrong in judging players like Tom Brady and Joe Montana. But that is not what we are talking about. We are talking about where a player warrants to be picked. You think that Mallett is a top talent. I disagree and think he doesnt warrant a first or second round pick. He might turn into a superstar.....he might be a bust but thats not the point. Mcelroy might turn into a stud but he doesnt warrant a first round pick.

I dont believe Mallett does and neither did any other NFL team. In fact no NFL team thought he warranted a second round pick. It seems that you can only understand the simpliest of things so this might be going right over your head based on how little your other posts made sense but show it to a grown up and they might be able to help you understand it using drawings and hand puppets
 
hightempo said:
think it was PRETTY CLEAR. ill hold your hand and help u ok? well take it REALLY slow. see if u can follow along ok?

you said : "Like i said, qbs with the type of talent that you think Mallett have dont last until the middle rounds."

and I said "quarterbacks like Tom Brady and Joe Montana you mean???"

in otherwords, arguably (meaning u could debate it i suppose) the 2 best quarterbacks in the HISTORY of the game were drafted in the 6th and 3rd round respectively. you implied that if Ryan Mallett was any good, if he had any talent at all then NFL GMs in their INFINITE wisdom COULD NEVER EVER even THINK about letting him slip to the 3rd round right??? so you MUST be correct.

see what i did there? i just proved to you how ignorant your contention was. since CLEARLY montana and brady are two of the most talented quarterbacks to EVER play the game and yet SOMEHOW they were drafted in the "middle rounds" as u say. how is it with such talent they last so long?????? by your theory - they MUST be awful quarterbacks, just like Mallett MUST not have talent BECAUSE he wasnt drafted in the first round.

see how that works? if u need me to guide you through any other posts, please let me know
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Thats only 2 qbs out of hundreds to be anything on latr rounds.
 
Harry_Bagpipe said:
Wow....i dont know if you are really this dense or just have a problem with reading comprehsion. Im guessing both. You are not very bright. This whole thread was about drafting Mallett and the potential he brought to a team. My contention is that I have no issue not drafting him in the first or second round.

You yell and scream that he has all the tools and talent that warrents a top pick. You rattle off about his arm strenght, his accuracy, his ability to make reads among other things.

I try to explain to you that qbs coming out of college that are as highly thought of as you think Mallett is dont last until the middle of the third round. I try to explain to you that if other gms thought as highly of him coming out of college as you did or that he has the potential that you think he has, 6 qbs arent taken ahead of him.

Coming out of college players like Ryan Leaf, Heath Shuler, J. Russell and many more where considered talented enough to warrant top picks. They were wrong just like they were wrong in judging players like Tom Brady and Joe Montana. But that is not what we are talking about. We are talking about where a player warrants to be picked. You think that Mallett is a top talent. I disagree and think he doesnt warrant a first or second round pick. He might turn into a superstar.....he might be a bust but thats not the point. Mcelroy might turn into a stud but he doesnt warrant a first round pick.

I dont believe Mallett does and neither did any other NFL team. In fact no NFL team thought he warranted a second round pick. It seems that you can only understand the simpliest of things so this might be going right over your head based on how little your other posts made sense but show it to a grown up and they might be able to help you understand it using drawings and hand puppets
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i know the basics of the english language are difficult for u to master, if i had a coloring book and i could illustrate it for you believe me i would. i feel for you, i really do. perhaps u can get some sing along tapes or something that will help u learn. let me try to help you with a simple concept that i know will be difficult for you. BUT if you REALLY REALLY TRY, maybe u can follow along. SOMETIMES guys have a certain grade by teams, for instance a 1st round grade (not to be mistaken for the last grade you finished ok?) or a 2nd round grade etc, and they still end up falling in the draft for many different reasons. for instance, if you have tom brady and you have a first round grade on a quarterback (which the patriots DID on Mallett according to belicheck - wow incredible isnt it??? see how this works???) you dont take the quarterback in the first round, because you have OTHER needs, or that player cant contribute to your team right away. there are several reasons why something like this might happen. it happened for instance when aaron rodgers was projected to go 1 or 2 and fell to 24. where SHOULD rodgers have gone??

i know this is REALLY REALLY advanced thinking for you (that means hard). but just because a guy ends up in the 3rd round does NOT mean that teams didnt have 1st or 2nd round grades on the player. so YES sometimes players that even teams feel have talent can fall further than expected. which means teams can think highly of a player and they can STILL last till the "middle rounds"

i know this is REALLY REALLY HARD for you. but what i just did for you was help you to understand that your initial point was ignorant NO MATTER WHICH WAY YOU LOOK AT IT. in otherwords it doesnt make ANY ****ING SENSE. but i dont expect u to understand. because its pretty complex stuff when you are working with the "talent" you have at your disposal
 
hightempo said:
i know the basics of the english language are difficult for u to master, if i had a coloring book and i could illustrate it for you believe me i would. i feel for you, i really do. perhaps u can get some sing along tapes or something that will help u learn. let me try to help you with a simple concept that i know will be difficult for you. BUT if you REALLY REALLY TRY, maybe u can follow along. SOMETIMES guys have a certain grade by teams, for instance a 1st round grade (not to be mistaken for the last grade you finished ok?) or a 2nd round grade etc, and they still end up falling in the draft for many different reasons. for instance, if you have tom brady and you have a first round grade on a quarterback (which the patriots DID on Mallett according to belicheck - wow incredible isnt it??? see how this works???) you dont take the quarterback in the first round, because you have OTHER needs, or that player cant contribute to your team right away. there are several reasons why something like this might happen. it happened for instance when aaron rodgers was projected to go 1 or 2 and fell to 24. where SHOULD rodgers have gone??

i know this is REALLY REALLY advanced thinking for you (that means hard). but just because a guy ends up in the 3rd round does NOT mean that teams didnt have 1st or 2nd round grades on the player. so YES sometimes players that even teams feel have talent can fall further than expected. which means teams can think highly of a player and they can STILL last till the "middle rounds"

i know this is REALLY REALLY HARD for you. but what i just did for you was help you to understand that your initial point was ignorant NO MATTER WHICH WAY YOU LOOK AT IT. in otherwords it doesnt make ANY ****ING SENSE. but i dont expect u to understand. because its pretty complex stuff when you are working with the "talent" you have at your disposal
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you really are dumb and wrong. please tell me when was the last time a projected franchise qb dropped all the way to the middle of the third round with 6 qbs taken ahead of them.

your story doesnt hold up. obviously by the number of qbs taken before Mallett, many teams put a high priority on qb.

They didnt seem to put a high grade on Mallett though

i'll put my JD from one of the most prestigious universities in this country and 139 IQ over your third grade reading level anytime.

Either way, i dont argue with children so have a nice day
 
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Ryan Mallet? Just move on. Patriots drafted him and Mallet is being tutored by Tom Brady.

Hopefully, next year's draft, we get a new QB and start a new era.
 
I really wanted them to draft Mallett last year in the 2nd instead of Thomas. Had this thread been started before the season I may have even agreed that I still wished they picked him. Given the current state of affairs I think it is a good think we did not end up with Mallett.

What it boils down to is whether or not you think Mallett would have led this team to the playoffs or at least a winning record. If the answer is no then drafting him would have been a wasted pick.

Anything short of playoffs and Tony is gone. Do you think the new HC is going to let Luck or Barkley pass by just because we have Mallett? If you think Mallett would have led us to the playoffs this year then I have no problem with your argument, although I disagree. Otherwise your arguing that they didn't draft a QB that will be replaced by the next HC anyway.

The grey area here is obviously we are not guaranteed a top pick and if we miss on any of the 3 top QB's I may again have regrets about Mallett.
 
Hightempo Bellicheck didnt have a 1st round grade on him. All he said is he`s the highest on his board.

Also you LOLAnalysis is comical. Brady and Montana were not highly touted out of college. They way uour trying to compare.Mallet to either of them is hilarious. Henne was better than Brady in college.
 
Phinatic8u said:
Hightempo Bellicheck didnt have a 1st round grade on him. All he said is he`s the highest on his board.

Also you LOLAnalysis is comical. Brady and Montana were not highly touted out of college. They way uour trying to compare.Mallet to either of them is hilarious. Henne was better than Brady in college.
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trust me. dont even bother. i cant believe i wasted the time i did lol
 
Releasing Ronnie and Ricky was the right move although Bush leaves me scratching my head at times. I think he could really help if only they would use him properly.
 
twix2500 said:
Huh, so I have to read it from someone else, in order for me to know this?? How about watching the games. So its my opnion if I "SEE" the safeties stepping in the box to stop the wild cat, compared to seeing the safeties staying back or dropping back in respects to gates being in the game. LOL I mean really, if you didnt know teams were stacking for the run the past years, you really wasnt paying much attention.
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I watch the games over and over and over.

Not only are the safeties not playing in the box, the whole secondary is playing back. I've seen some surprising deep zones played against us. This a big reason why D Bess is making longer catches. Part of this is C Gates. Matt Moore has the touch to hit him and when he does, the whole defense will back up another couple of yards.

Look at some things and reasons.

What formation are we running the most? Seems to me to be the Shotgun. How often do defenses stack the box against the Shotgun formation? I'd say not very often. Last year we ran more I and Power I formations with 2 WRs, TE, FB and RB. And we mostly ran the ball from those formations.

So simply from the formations we are running more of, we have made it much harder for the defense to stack up against the run. This year, one surprise is that D Thomas has more rushing plays from the Shotgun then from any other formation.

Think about that. At least one reason that D Thomas has a good YPC is that often the defense he is running against is not in it's base defense but it in a Nickel, Dime etc.

The stunner here is that R Bush is running so poorly. I can see Dancing With the Stars in his future. That man can dance and dance and dance.
 
Please do not remind me of Ryan Mallett. I am trying hard to forget the FO blunder on draft day.
 
GoonBoss said:
I'll see if I can help you understand.

Mallet may or not be the second coming of Dan Marino. Nobody knows. Right now
as little as we like Sparano and company, they made the right choice with Ricky and
Ronnie.
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You're wrong. Not because they got rid of them this year but because they failed to address the situation last draft just before R&R fell off. They failed to realize that Soliai was going to be good at nose so they drafted D-line and they failed to realize the running game was going to struggle so they did nothing there. You can say its easy looking back with hindsight but the good coaches have great foresight and they know what talent they have on the roster. This regime is constantly reacting instead of being proactive.

Whats really telling is we were 0-3 and there wasn't a single thread asking for the backup QB. Thats how terrible our QB corps is. Mallet would have given the fans at least a glimmer of hope.
 
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