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Should we have given VY a shot instead of Garrard?

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What do you guys think? I still have flash backs of that O.T game I think 09 if im not mistaken maybe 2010 though no positive. But Vince I think can still play at a very high level. I always thought he was much more promising as a passer and runner over Garrard. Could this be another mistake by us? He still hasn't been picked up, so its obvious there is reasoning behind this because I'm sure a team would want to give him a chance, but know one has so they say "Bit the bullet" on him just yet. Thoughts?

Please pro-user responses only, no kiddy responses for I really want to know why. Thanks to all the pro-fin-posters :hclap:
 
Too much of a head case especially if Philbin is serious about having high character players on our team. Personally I never thought VY was gonna be a good pro. Didn't he score really really bad on the Wonderlic test?
 
I think there is a consistent trend of qbs that Andy Reid has allowed to leave turning out to be a bust after leaving. The guy we got from them in 2004 or so that threw a bunch of interceptions for a td was one example. Donovan McNab was another. The guy in AZ pretty much fits this. I think there might be another one or two. Reid is a very good qb coach. If he thinks a qb isn't worth keeping, then he certainly isn't worth us signing.
 
He doesn't play that well in Andy Reid's system and that is a very QB friendly scheme. He has never played at a high level in the NFL nor do I think he will. Garrard is nothing more then having a back up this year.
 
VY and Marino scored same score? Are you being serious? or is that a negative 16 in front of VY?
Initially he scored a 6 but there were questions on how it was administered/graded. He re-tested and scored 16. What's amazing is his agent never had him practice the test prior to taking it.
 
I think there is a consistent trend of qbs that Andy Reid has allowed to leave turning out to be a bust after leaving. The guy we got from them in 2004 or so that threw a bunch of interceptions for a td was one example. Donovan McNab was another. The guy in AZ pretty much fits this. I think there might be another one or two. Reid is a very good qb coach. If he thinks a qb isn't worth keeping, then he certainly isn't worth us signing.

This came up on the Bills boards, too, and this was essentially my answer, too. If Reid can't work with a QB, he's not worth a roster spot. He was able to turn Dog Killer into a reasonable facsimile of a real NFL QB after he spent the early part of his career being a RB who threw.

Also, Reid is like a crooked old time horse trader. The chances of you getting a good horse from him are slim and none, as both Washington and Arizona have discovered.
 
Yeah... bad wonderlic score = bad pro

VY - 16
Marino - 16... oopsy!

Actually, Young first scored an "6" and then was allowed to try again. Could you imagine ending up with a "16" after already taking the test once, obviously being tutored and having the lay of the land?? Marino's 16 was not good, but that was before a player was permitted to take a mulligan. It was 1 and done and you lived with the score.

Marino's not the only low scoring player, there were a number of others including Bradshaw and Kelly. However the main difference is that QBs like those guys mostly succeeded and played their careers on 1 team thereby proving they were anomalies while "Wonderlic Simpletons" like Young who have not been successful with their original teams proved the rule.


FWIW, yes there are exceptions to every rule, but the Wonderlic Avg for QBs is 24, the minimum that teams prefer is 21 (which equates out to a clerical worker), the score of 15 is equivalent to a warehouseman and below a janitor.

The point is, what VY has done to date by being suicidal, emotional, disruptive, combative and team-divisive has confirmed the general predictability of low scores when it comes to the player who should be the smartest, fast-thinking, most level-headed one on the team. It's not like he's fresh meat and doesn't have a predictive history on and off the field already.

Here's an analysis of the Wonderlics of contemporary Superbowl QBs.. The only exception is McNabb, who had a nice stable career until he had to depend on his mind more so than his legs. The Bradshaws, Marinos and Kellys are old school, just like the wishbone formation and ground and pound.

http://mathjokes4mathyfolks.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/quarterbacks-super-bowl-sat-scores/

Super Bowl XXXV – 1/28/01
Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens – Fresno State (22)
Kerry Collins, New York Giants – Penn State (30)
Super Bowl XXXVI – 2/3/02
Tom Brady, New England Patriots – Michigan (33)
Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams – Northern Iowa (29)
Super Bowl XXXVII – 1/26/03
Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Florida State (unavailable)
Rich Gannon, Oakland Raiders – Delaware (27)
Super Bowl XXXVIII – 2/1/04
Tom Brady, New England Patriots – Michigan (33)
Jake Delhomme, Carolina Panthers – Louisiana-Lafayette (32)
Super Bowl XXXVIX – 2/6/05
Tom Brady, New England Patriots – Michigan (33)
Donovan McNabb, Philadelphia – Syracuse (14)
Super Bowl XL – 2/5/06
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers – Miami, Ohio (25)
Matt Hasselbeck, Seattle – Boston College (29)
Super Bowl XLI – 2/4/07
Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts – Tennessee (28)
Rex Grossman, Chicago Bears – Florida (29)
Super Bowl XLII – 2/3/08
Eli Manning, New York Giants – Ole Miss (39)
Tom Brady, New England Patriots – Michigan (33)
Super Bowl XLIII – 2/1/09
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers – Miami, Ohio (25)
Kurt Warner, Arizona Cardinals – Northern Iowa (29)
Super Bowl XLIV – 2/7/10

Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints – Purdue (28)
Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts – Tennessee (28)
As it turns out, the average Wonderlic score of an NFL player is 20, while the average score of an NFL quarterback is 24. Only one Super Bowl quarterback in the past ten years had a Wonderlic score below the league average. That was Donovan McNabb (14) in 2005. So while a higher Wonderlic score may not imply Super Bowl success, it does seem that quarterbacks who make it to the Super Bowl have above average scores.

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Actually, Young first scored an "6" and then was allowed to try again. Could you imagine ending up with a "16" after already taking the test once, obviously being tutored and having the lay of the land?? Marino's 16 was not good, but that was before a player was permitted to take a mulligan. It was 1 and done and you lived with the score.

Marino's not the only low scoring player, there were a number of others including Bradshaw and Kelly. However the main difference is that QBs like those guys mostly succeeded and played their careers on 1 team thereby proving they were anomalies while "Wonderlic Simpletons" like Young who have not been successful with their original teams proved the rule.


FWIW, yes there are exceptions to every rule, but the Wonderlic Avg for QBs is 24, the minimum that teams prefer is 21 (which equates out to a clerical worker), the score of 15 is equivalent to a warehouseman and below a janitor.

The point is, what VY has done to date by being suicidal, emotional, disruptive, combative and team-divisive has confirmed the general predictability of low scores when it comes to the player who should be the smartest, fast-thinking, most level-headed one on the team. It's not like he's fresh meat and doesn't have a predictive history on and off the field already.

Here's an analysis of the Wonderlics of contemporary Superbowl QBs.. The only exception is McNabb, who had a nice stable career until he had to depend on his mind more so than his legs. The Bradshaws, Marinos and Kellys are old school, just like the wishbone formation and ground and pound.

http://mathjokes4mathyfolks.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/quarterbacks-super-bowl-sat-scores/

Super Bowl XXXV – 1/28/01
Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens – Fresno State (22)
Kerry Collins, New York Giants – Penn State (30)
Super Bowl XXXVI – 2/3/02
Tom Brady, New England Patriots – Michigan (33)
Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams – Northern Iowa (29)
Super Bowl XXXVII – 1/26/03
Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Florida State (unavailable)
Rich Gannon, Oakland Raiders – Delaware (27)
Super Bowl XXXVIII – 2/1/04
Tom Brady, New England Patriots – Michigan (33)
Jake Delhomme, Carolina Panthers – Louisiana-Lafayette (32)
Super Bowl XXXVIX – 2/6/05
Tom Brady, New England Patriots – Michigan (33)
Donovan McNabb, Philadelphia – Syracuse (14)
Super Bowl XL – 2/5/06
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers – Miami, Ohio (25)
Matt Hasselbeck, Seattle – Boston College (29)
Super Bowl XLI – 2/4/07
Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts – Tennessee (28)
Rex Grossman, Chicago Bears – Florida (29)
Super Bowl XLII – 2/3/08
Eli Manning, New York Giants – Ole Miss (39)
Tom Brady, New England Patriots – Michigan (33)
Super Bowl XLIII – 2/1/09
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers – Miami, Ohio (25)
Kurt Warner, Arizona Cardinals – Northern Iowa (29)
Super Bowl XLIV – 2/7/10

Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints – Purdue (28)
Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts – Tennessee (28)
As it turns out, the average Wonderlic score of an NFL player is 20, while the average score of an NFL quarterback is 24. Only one Super Bowl quarterback in the past ten years had a Wonderlic score below the league average. That was Donovan McNabb (14) in 2005. So while a higher Wonderlic score may not imply Super Bowl success, it does seem that quarterbacks who make it to the Super Bowl have above average scores.

vinceyoungwonderlic8et-1.jpg


Holy crap Vaark that is funny..Question three could be considered racist ;-)....
 
What do you guys think? I still have flash backs of that O.T game I think 09 if im not mistaken maybe 2010 though no positive. But Vince I think can still play at a very high level. I always thought he was much more promising as a passer and runner over Garrard. Could this be another mistake by us? He still hasn't been picked up, so its obvious there is reasoning behind this because I'm sure a team would want to give him a chance, but know one has so they say "Bit the bullet" on him just yet. Thoughts?

Please pro-user responses only, no kiddy responses for I really want to know why. Thanks to all the pro-fin-posters :hclap:

When the guy was last in the league, he was still a headcase. He sat behind Vick last year, but hasn't been re-signed by Philly yet and keep in mind that the Philly system has made guys like Kevin Kolb, AJ Feeley, a 36 yr old Garcia, etc look better than they are... That fact alone speaks volumes about Andy Reid, not the names of the QBs he's coached... But the guy has been a head case. In Tenn. even with the backing of the FO and owner, he couldn't get the job done.. He's not very football smart and has difficulty reading NFL defenses. He's very mobile, but not very accurate when throwing on the run. He has a cannon for an arm, but again reacts slowly, locks onto his targets and just isn't very accurate a passer. And to top all that off, he hasn't figured out how to be a pro yet. That he has to work all thru the year to keep in shape (recall several offseasons he's reported to camp 20-30 pounds overweight, failed camp conditioning physicals, etc).

We have a new HC and want to get him off to a good start. Likely that is not going to be a franchise QB so let's at least have him start off with guys that are pro's and know how to take care of themselves, so that they can learn the nuances of his schemes he's going to install....No thank you to VY...
 
What do you guys think? I still have flash backs of that O.T game I think 09 if im not mistaken maybe 2010 though no positive. But Vince I think can still play at a very high level. I always thought he was much more promising as a passer and runner over Garrard. Could this be another mistake by us? He still hasn't been picked up, so its obvious there is reasoning behind this because I'm sure a team would want to give him a chance, but know one has so they say "Bit the bullet" on him just yet. Thoughts?

Please pro-user responses only, no kiddy responses for I really want to know why. Thanks to all the pro-fin-posters :hclap:
You posted this 24 minutes too early.
 
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