sigh...Tim Tebow

[ANUFan]

Did you not see the Patriots game? That was one of the most embarrassing offensive performances I've ever seen. The Broncos fell behind early and yet they continued to run the option for no gain because Tebow isn't good enough to run a traditional offense. He was awful in four of his final five games. He is not good enough to be an NFL quarterback.

Some people seems to feel you can't be objective when analyzing Tebow without being some kinda hater! Obviously, your an objective observer, Clearly that offense the Denver Broncos currently run is because Tebow is limited oddly enough in doing what a NFL Qb is supposed to do, that being, throw the ball first and foremost! New England love them, hate them whatever...has always been a team for the life of me i can't understand why others don't seem to be are masters at exploiting weaknesses. What do you do to an offense with a Qb that's not very good at throwing? Has limited throwing targets? Relies on playing ball control offense? Isn't the solution obvious on what should be done?

Well, i guess its fortunate that team plays in such a weak division....

Whats further interesting to me is how many Qbs come into the league with more talent than Tebow, practice their entire NFL careers to be better Qbs, usually resulting in very few of them make it. But, yet we are to believe that some how Tebow "miraculously"(apparently is middle-name) is going to go into this offeseason and learn "How to be a REAL Qb"? That implies to me, this particular goal is something he's never tried to do any of his "other" previous off-seasons.

Who knows, maybe he will be as good as Brady in 1 offseason and do what most Qbs with more Quarterbacking talent rarely accomplish.

 

[lynxdolfan]

Did you not see the Patriots game? That was one of the most embarrassing offensive performances I've ever seen. The Broncos fell behind early and yet they continued to run the option for no gain because Tebow isn't good enough to run a traditional offense. He was awful in four of his final five games. He is not good enough to be an NFL quarterback.

One of the worst offense performances you have ever seen? Did you watch the Matty Ice against the Giants? The same Matty Ice who has never won a play off game in 3 tries and yet people here were mad we didn't draft him number 1?

You see this is what i talk about when people analyse Tebow. Ignore the fact that his best receiver is out as well as his best offensive lineman. Ignore the fact that he has the worst 'weapons' in the NFL. No Tight End to pass to and an offensive line with more holes than a sieve. Ignore the fact that his 'defense', you know that 'vaunted' defense that's supposedly better than ours and won them all those games, got torched for 592 total yds and 6 TD's in the first half.

Tebow is the only QB i know that could take over a 1-4 team who no one gave a shot to make the play offs, go 7-4 as a starter, sweep his division on the road, win 5 come from behind games , win his division, beat the AFC champions in record setting fashion and lose to the patriots and be considered a bust. It's grossly unfair to a guy that has not even started 16 regular season games. In 2005 Alex Smith had 1 TD to 11 interceptions, the same Alex smith that ousted Drew Breeze and the high flying Saints in his 7th season, yet after 16 TOTAL games we've decided that Tebow can't play quarterback? Which other Young QB has ever had to live up to those standards? I'm not saying he's the second coming, but the guy is a winner plain and simple.

But inspite of all his accomplishments, people are gonna say he didn't complete 50 percent of his passes, while ignoring that fact that Tebow also attempted percentage wise the most passes over 15 yds which is a low percentage pass and throws almost no screen passes or check down passes. Cause it's not about winning your division, or winning in the play offs or showing extreme fortitude in difficult circumstances time and time again. It's about throwing over 60 percent and looking good while doing it. No matter how many games you lose.

 

[Vaark]

Watching Tebow last night makes me appreciate Matt all the Moore!

 

[dolphinkee]

You are making the same mistake that many of the biased analysts are making. they look at Tebow now and assert that he can't get better. Why not? Will cam ever stop throwing more interceptions than Touchdowns? Will Blaine Gabbert ever throw above 50 percent in his career? Why aren't those questions being asked of those guys? why is Tebow the only only one who is doomed to remain stagnant as a player? why do we think they will get better and he can't?

Here's the answer to your first question. Cam threw more TD's than int's this year. No question needed there and if you add the 14 TD's he had rushing I'm thinking most phin fans would take that from a rookie QB.

Cam Newton Stats
NFLCollege
REGULAR SEASON PASSING STATS
SEASON TEAM GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM RAT
2011
CAR 16 310 517 60.0 4,051 7.84 21 91 17 3 84.5
Career 16 310 517 60.0 4,051 7.84 21 91 17 3 84.5

Tebow is a good story but he is not a good NFL QB, Vince Young is a winning NFL qb based on record but I think most here will agree he's not a franchise NFL qb.

 

[lynxdolfan]

Watching Tebow last night makes me appreciate Matt all the Moore!

Yeah, love how Matt lead us to the play offs this year and had so many 4Q come backs....wait...

 

[Vaark]

Yeah, love how Matt lead us to the play offs this year and had so many 4Q come backs....wait...

Over the last 9 games, both were 6-3, and neither beat a winning team. However, they both lost to NE but Moore beat KC and Buffalo. Moore is not in a cupcake division where mediocrity actually takes the title. If I want to see Pop Warner football, plenty of venues down here without having to pay for it. Thanks but no thanks. Teblow is not my Justin Bieber :idk:

But being objective about it, Tebow can be my fullback any day!

 

[HarryBagpipe]

Yeah. Just because I rooted for tebow in the playoffs, that I think the hate is grossly unjustified and that i actually think he's a real good person doesn't mean I want him as my starting qb. Would love him as a teammate but not my franchise qb.

 

[lynxdolfan]

Over the last 9 games, both were 6-3, and neither beat a winning team. However, they both lost to NE but Moore beat KC and Buffalo. Moore is not in a cupcake division where mediocrity actually takes the title. If I want to see Pop Warner football, plenty of venues down here without having to pay for it. Thanks but no thanks. Teblow is not my Justin Bieber :idk:

But being objective about it, Tebow can be my fullback any day!

The last time i checked the Steelers were a winning team, but that was the play offs so it doesn't count cause we never made it there. :rolleyes2:

So aren't you concerned that a 'full back' accomplished more than your starting quarterback did? Even losing to said full back head to head? :confused:

Sorry Matt Moore may be your Justin Bieber, but he can't be mine.

 

[Hayden Fox]

Watching Tebow last night makes me appreciate Matt all the Moore!

Me too.

 

[DolfanISS]

I live in New England and I'm so annoyed right now. In fact, I was highly annoyed last Sunday night when Denver beat Pittsburgh because I knew the Pats were getting a cupcake playoff win. Now, because of the media build up, I have to listen to Pats fans act like they just beat Joe Montana in his prime. It's like Brady really proved how much better he was than Tebow.

The truth is, there was nothing to prove, it's captain obvious type stuff. We're talking about an 8-8 team that was in the playoffs mostly because the Raiders, Chargers and Chiefs did a better job at blowing it then they did. The Steelers were a wounded animal and would have lost in NE anyway, but Denver had no chance. You can't beat NE with no passing game. I expect them to make it to the SB but if Houston wins today I'm going to puke. I think Baltimore has a slight chance of going into Foxboro and winning.

 

[Adam Strange]

Given the way that the NE defense carved up Captain Comeback last night, I'm sure the Patriots would also love for Tebow to be our quarterback (not that it isn't easy enough for them to beat us lately as it is). Of course, why would anyone expect any different result when Denver-- due to their glaring deficiency at QB-- is running Nebraska's offense from 25 years ago? Meanwhile, back in 2012, the supposedly over-the-hill Patriots are setting offensive records right and left. Back to the drawing board for Denver, I guess.

 

[Vaark]

Sorry, it isn't as if he's not a likable kid or obviously a well-intentioned, genuine person, but beyond that, I just don't get the fan fanaticism. I wouldn't want Mother Theresa with her hands under Mike Pouncy's butt either. :idk:

However, to each his own, let live and be happy, so long as just like with politics and religion, no one tries to foist their belief of him on me.

 

[utahphinsfan]

Holy crap! Its a hybrid of Stryper & New Kids on the block.

 

[JCane]

sigh...lynxdolfan

 

[Rhody Phins Fan]

One of the worst offense performances you have ever seen? Did you watch the Matty Ice against the Giants? The same Matty Ice who has never won a play off game in 3 tries and yet people here were mad we didn't draft him number 1?

I did and they looked like an offense that got shut down against a good defense. They still looked like an NFL offense even though this has nothing do with Matt Ryan. The Broncos repeatedly ran ineffective option plays despite being down multiple scores because they don't trust Tebow to pass the ball.

You see this is what i talk about when people analyse Tebow. Ignore the fact that his best receiver is out as well as his best offensive lineman. Ignore the fact that he has the worst 'weapons' in the NFL. No Tight End to pass to and an offensive line with more holes than a sieve. Ignore the fact that his 'defense', you know that 'vaunted' defense that's supposedly better than ours and won them all those games, got torched for 592 total yds and 6 TD's in the first half.

Eric Decker is his second best receiver. Also, who cares what his defense did? He lead the offense to 10 points and 7 of those came on a short field after a turnover. And he did all that against a very bad Patriots defense. He had 28 yards passing in the first half. That is truly pathetic.

Tebow is the only QB i know that could take over a 1-4 team who no one gave a shot to make the play offs, go 7-4 as a starter, sweep his division on the road, win 5 come from behind games , win his division, beat the AFC champions in record setting fashion and lose to the patriots and be considered a bust. It's grossly unfair to a guy that has not even started 16 regular season games. In 2005 Alex Smith had 1 TD to 11 interceptions, the same Alex smith that ousted Drew Breeze and the high flying Saints in his 7th season, yet after 16 TOTAL games we've decided that Tebow can't play quarterback? Which other Young QB has ever had to live up to those standards? I'm not saying he's the second coming, but the guy is a winner plain and simple.

To me, calling somebody a "winner" is a completely meaningless statement that is used to defend mediocre players. Mark Sanchez had been a "winner" in his time in the NFL as well.

I agree that he was a big part of that streak but many of their wins were flukish. They also lost 4 of their last 5 games of the year with Tebow playing terribly in the 4 losses. NFL defenses make adjustments and it's clear that they adjusted to Tebow (except for the Steelers who had a bizarre gameplan against Tebow, who to his credit made them pay for it

But inspite of all his accomplishments, people are gonna say he didn't complete 50 percent of his passes, while ignoring that fact that Tebow also attempted percentage wise the most passes over 15 yds which is a low percentage pass and throws almost no screen passes or check down passes. Cause it's not about winning your division, or winning in the play offs or showing extreme fortitude in difficult circumstances time and time again. It's about throwing over 60 percent and looking good while doing it. No matter how many games you lose.

His completion percentage is bad, not because he throws so many deep balls, but because he is incredibly inaccurate on short to intermediate passes. He is actually a pretty good deep passer. He throws so few check down passes because he doesn't know how to go through his progressions.

Against one of the worst passing defenses in the NFL, Tebow completed under 40% of his passes for 126 yards (78 of which came on his final drive in garbage time. He's not an NFL caliber passer and his rushing numbers plummeted at the end of the season. Much like how we saw the wildcat lose effectiveness over time, I find it very unlikely that he'll be able to lead an above average or even average offense.