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sigh...Tim Tebow

interesting that the non-religious are the ones that have shifted this Tebow discussion to a discussion on religion. But since we are going there:
tolerance-a fair, objective and permissive attitude towards opinions and practices that differ from ones own. Basically, meaning to disagree and still get along. Many people today are wanting tolerance to mean agreeing with and accepting others opinions and attitudes. No, it means, we disagree, but still get along.
 
The funny thing is that it's the Tebow hate that's fueling the bandwagon.
 
interesting that the non-religious are the ones that have shifted this Tebow discussion to a discussion on religion. But since we are going there:
tolerance-a fair, objective and permissive attitude towards opinions and practices that differ from ones own. Basically, meaning to disagree and still get along. Many people today are wanting tolerance to mean agreeing with and accepting others opinions and attitudes. No, it means, we disagree, but still get along.

Don't care what the hell his religious beliefs are, Tebow is one dimensional and the NFL will catch up to him at some point.

Right now I wouldn't care if they resurrected Gandhi if he could QB an NFL team, sign him and let's go win!
 
Don't care what the hell his religious beliefs are, Tebow is one dimensional and the NFL will catch up to him at some point.

Right now I wouldn't care if they resurrected Gandhi if he could QB an NFL team, sign him and let's go win!

dude, chad henne has started in the nfl for 3 years and has never took us to the playoffs, tebow in his first year legit starting in the league, taking over a 1-4 team took his team to the playoffs and beat the steelers the #1 ranked defense in the nfl, if that is 1 dimensional than plz bring one of these 1 dimensional qbs to the dolphins. If tebow is 1 dimensional, chad henne is no dimesional.
 
Tebow had a great game and beat a good team. He has now reached Mark Sanchez status.
 
dude, chad henne has started in the nfl for 3 years and has never took us to the playoffs, tebow in his first year legit starting in the league, taking over a 1-4 team took his team to the playoffs and beat the steelers the #1 ranked defense in the nfl, if that is 1 dimensional than plz bring one of these 1 dimensional qbs to the dolphins. If tebow is 1 dimensional, chad henne is no dimesional.

Exactly. Tebow has more BIG PLAY making ability in his pinky than Chad Henne has in all of his body.

Chad Henne had a constant 75-76 QBR. He was complete GARBAGE and the reason that our offense sucked and we were 7-9 for 2 years. In fact, I still believe Henne is responsible for Sparano's departure.

If Tony didn't tie himself to that anchor, he would probably still be coaching the Dolphins.
 
Well, since my point is still being misunderstood, Ill dip out. Ill just say that I am not an intolerant person, but I guess you guys can have your own opinion on that.
 
Well, since my point is still being misunderstood, Ill dip out. Ill just say that I am not an intolerant person, but I guess you guys can have your own opinion on that.

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We as dolphin fans know what a real "horrible" qb looks like, and tebow ain't it

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He's definitely been horrible in a few games. I mean, he was just dreadful in that Lions game, and in the Bills game, just brutal. And then he was great in the Steelers game. If he can find some consistency, I think he will be a legitimately good NFL QB. That's still a big IF, though.
 

Lets not throw around stats (especially ones we don't understand) when talking about Tebow . Here's his regular season QBR over a much larger sample:

30Mark Sanchez, NYJ34.0-11.3-27.36.21.67171.133.6
RKPLAYERPASS EPARUN EPASACK EPAPENALTY EPATOTAL EPAACT PLAYSCW AVGTOTAL QBR
31Sam Bradford, STL21.4-8.6-21.8-0.2-9.24620.927.3
32Tim Tebow, DEN17.1-6.4-19.7-1.4-10.44641.027.2
33Curtis Painter, IND5.1-6.4-14.43.9-11.82991.023.4
34Blaine Gabbert, JAC9.4-9.7-28.51.8-27.15531.020.5

You know who else had really good QBR's in the post season with low sample sizes? Mark Sanchez. Here are his post season QBR's that include losing games:

2010 Postseason NFL Leaders
RKPLAYERPASS EPARUN EPASACK EPAPENALTY EPATOTAL EPAACT PLAYSCW AVGTOTAL QBR
1Aaron Rodgers, GB33.71.7-4.81.332.01710.986.5
2Peyton Manning, IND7.50.0-0.4-0.17.0291.677.0
3Mark Sanchez, NYJ15.0-0.0-1.10.114.01071.170.6


2009 Postseason NFL Leaders
RKPLAYERPASS EPARUN EPASACK EPAPENALTY EPATOTAL EPAACT PLAYSCW AVGTOTAL QBR
1Kurt Warner, ARI15.4-0.1-1.2-0.014.1670.893.1
2Peyton Manning, IND30.7-1.1-2.4-0.027.21451.181.8
3Mark Sanchez, NYJ15.1-1.6-0.6-0.512.4841.174.4


Stick with the leadership/intangibles argument.
 
haha, you guys are so ridiculous, didn't I say "what if" before my last post? What makes you think that's the way I feel? I stated before that I was rooting for Denver to win, mostly because I hate Pittsburgh. I'm just saying there's another side to the coin about the religious right and their zealotry that scares the crap out of "normal" Americans. Most Americans don't want people telling them how to behave or what's right or wrong and feel they can decide for themselves. ( like gay marriage, abortion , etc...)


Tebow played a great game, but I still don't think having one good game means he will be a great QB. ( or even a decent one) I could be wrong and Tebow will be the next Bart Starr or whoever, I've seen it before. Was Zach Thomas supposed to make it in the NFL? He had a HoF caliber career when you look at it. I just don't think if he succeeds or fails it will be determined if God likes him or not, that's all. I think it will be determined by how much he practices, how much he's willing to adapt, determination , and natural talent. God is going to single him out, because he went to a third world country, for success, really? Or because he's Christian? Really?


I feel that I'm very tolerant, almost to a fault. I am agnostic but I leave room for the fact that I could be wrong about everything. In fact I believe that we know very little of about what reality is all about. Hence, my main problem with any religion is the fact that we are all very clueless about the afterlife, good and evil, etc. . . The claim that they "know" is what I can't accept, especially when many parts in the Bible, (like in the Old Testament) there are many times where certain protagonists claim exactly what I'm saying. They don't know the will of God or even what it/he/she is. ( or even what happens after you die)

I had to send my children to a Christian pre-school and it worried me at first but in the end, I'll have enough time to educate them. I want my kids to fear ignorance and complacency, not God. To each their own, may your kids grow up healthy and successful in their endeavors whatever their faith.

I'm just trying to give reasons why the religious stuff pisses people off so much. Ten years ago i really would've hated Tebow, but I've matured over the years and I realized I was taking myself way to seriously. I wont lie, the religious stuff does turn me off, I could never "love" him as a player or look up to him because he stands for many things I don't. If I had his same platform, I would say things exactly opposite to what he says. I would say things like think for yourself, you have ultimate responsibility for your actions, hence the need to be educated. ( so you don't do stupid things) Tebow does great things for people but is it God doing it or Tebow? I personally am glad that Tebow helps poor people and those that are sick, but I just hate that theirs always those religious strings attached. Can't it just be human compassion for each other?

I would never "hate" anyone for their religious belief. I'm not them, and they may have very legitimate reasons to "believe". People will make their own decisions in the end, so it is what it is. Did Muhammad Ali sway millions to Allah? Thousands? How many stayed with it if they did? How many regretted converting? Anyways, I hope he makes it to the Super Bowl, it would be the greatest underdog story in a long time. (with or with out God's help)
 
dude, chad henne has started in the nfl for 3 years and has never took us to the playoffs, tebow in his first year legit starting in the league, taking over a 1-4 team took his team to the playoffs and beat the steelers the #1 ranked defense in the nfl, if that is 1 dimensional than plz bring one of these 1 dimensional qbs to the dolphins. If tebow is 1 dimensional, chad henne is no dimesional.

Dude Tebow got the #1 most banged up Defense and a hobbled Big Ben but that isn't an excuse for Piitt, Denver and Tebow played well Sunday and honestly Denver has a shot in New England this week too but Denver's D will be the key in this game.

With all that said I wouldn't touch Tim Tebow with a ten foot pole if you were building a franchise. Marshall I will remember your name, trust me I will. We can pick this up next season about mid-way. If Tebow is still winning constantly I will tell you I was wrong.
 
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